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jspchief 10-01-2012 02:32 PM

Matt Cassel reportedly losing support among Chiefs
 
Matt Cassel reportedly losing support among Chiefs
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With four subpar games under his belt, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel is catching heat for the team's ugly 1-3 start.


Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported the fourth-year starter is "losing confidence from players and many others in the organization." If Kansas City had someone more intriguing than Brady Quinn at the No. 2 spot, Cassel would be destined for the bench, according to Cole.


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</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> "Look, there's a big reason why they went after Peyton Manning as hard as they did this offseason," Cole was told by a source with knowledge of team president Scott Pioli's thinking. "What you're seeing from Cassel is pretty much what was expected. He's a really nice backup, not a starter."


Cassel has struggled with just five touchdowns against seven interceptions. His 70.4 quarterback rating exceeds only that of Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden and Jay Cutler.


Chants for Quinn and third-string sensation Ricky Stanzi bubbled up at Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday during the Chiefs' 37-20 loss to the San Diego Chargers, but a switch at quarterback would require Pioli to admit defeat after years of insisting Cassel, his personal pick under center, had the goods. Cassel's 19-24 record has frustrated fans, as have his struggles against some of the league's weaker defenses this season. Cassel littered the field with three interceptions in Sunday's loss, but Romeo isn't budging.


"I could have taken (running back Jamaal) Charles out because of his struggles and his problems, but he's also the one who can run for a touchdown," Crennel said. "(Those are) some of the decisions a head coach has to make and you have to go with your gut feeling, and what you know about your team and then move forward with it."


What Crennel also knows about his team is that inserting Quinn into the starting role won't solve a larger problem in Kansas City. With young talent on both sides of the ball, the Chiefs were an enticing pick in the AFC West before the season. Finding out you don't have a quarterback, however, tugs the entire operation back to square one.

The Franchise 10-01-2012 02:32 PM

RAC compares Charles to Cassel.

GTFO.

Quesadilla Joe 10-01-2012 02:34 PM

My bad that was spchief not jspchief

Chiefspants 10-01-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8967371)
You gave me an infraction for posting this same article last night.

How did you not know it was Q? LMAO

To be fair, he probably wouldn't have posted it had you not added your own spin/cut of the article.

Yus, beat your edit.

lcarus 10-01-2012 02:35 PM

I lost faith in Matt Cassel after the playoff ass-raping against Baltimore. I wasn't very high on him before that either. Last season...I was SURE would be his last. Now I'm just done. **** this team until he's gone.

kcpasco 10-01-2012 02:36 PM

RAC is a pussy
I have lost all respect

HemiEd 10-01-2012 02:37 PM

I expected to see something about team mates losing faith in Cassel by the thread title. I am sure they have, but it is not in this article.

I remain convinced that Bowe is sick of him, but I am not aware of any words reflecting it.

lcarus 10-01-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8967386)
I expected to see something about team mates losing faith in Cassel by the thread title. I am sure they have, but it is not in this article.

I saw the defense on the bench in the 4th quarter, yucking it up sort of. I thought they must be chatting about Cassel...but who knows.

scho63 10-01-2012 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8967385)
RAC is a pussy
I have lost all respect

Not that I want him to stick with Cassel but at this moment he has to at least PRETEND to be behind Cassel or all team confidence will be lost.

Head coaches can't be wishy-washy, even when they are wrong....I think Romeo wants to put Quinn in as well but God forbid it turns into Tyler Palko the Sequel-that would be a mitigated disaster!

ptlyon 10-01-2012 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8967400)
I saw the defense on the bench in the 4th quarter, yucking it up sort of. I thought they must be chatting about Cassel...but who knows.

Like they give a ****... They get paid if they lose 100-0 or win 100-0

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8967385)
RAC is a pussy
I have lost all respect

Look at this guy, believing that this isn't Pioli trying to throw Crennel under the bus.

Sofa King 10-01-2012 02:44 PM

Of course he's losing the locker room. The guy is a piece of shit. It would truly suck to be one of his wide receivers.

htismaqe 10-01-2012 02:46 PM

ROFL

Pioli throwing old Romeo under the bus. His shame knows no bounds.

jspchief 10-01-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8967375)
My bad that was spchief not jspchief

Maybe I missed it, but this doesn't appear to be the same article you posted.

Quesadilla Joe 10-01-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8967435)
Maybe I missed it, but this doesn't appear to be the same article you posted.

The NFL.com article has quotes from the Yahoo Sports column I posted last night. .

Iowanian 10-01-2012 02:49 PM

Romeo should have taken Cassel out because he sucks.


Romeo should have taken Charles out in the 4th quarter because it was completely out of reach to win, unnecessary to put the extra pointless hits on his body and would have been a good place to get some field experience for Gray.


The WR's should be losing confidence, because Cassel is going to get them all hurt.

No way Bowe signs back here next year.

Bane 10-01-2012 02:50 PM

Best ever after 4 games /Pisoli

BigMeatballDave 10-01-2012 02:51 PM

Um, JC scored 2 TDs, Romeo.

How much longer before the rest of the team quits on RAC?

bevischief 10-01-2012 02:52 PM

The last 4 years he is 29-29 as a starter for the Keystone Chiefs.

Hammock Parties 10-01-2012 02:53 PM

Kind of bare bones there. Wish it had a tiny bit of detail other than YO SOME PLAYERS DON'T SUPPORT CASSEL.

Bane 10-01-2012 02:54 PM

Does this mean we not gonna be so DOMINATE?

HemiEd 10-01-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8967400)
I saw the defense on the bench in the 4th quarter, yucking it up sort of. I thought they must be chatting about Cassel...but who knows.

Yucking it up, really? That speaks volumes right there, volumes.

jspchief 10-01-2012 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8967455)
Kind of bare bones there. Wish it had a tiny bit of detail other than YO SOME PLAYERS DON'T SUPPORT CASSEL.

Agree, but at least the seed is planted. And on NFL.com, not just in local media. This story will grow like Jack's beanstalk.

Reerun_KC 10-01-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8967385)
RAC is a pussy
I have lost all respect

He lost respect after he let Baltimore rape our souls in the playoffs. He can take his 7-11 defense and get the **** out.

Hammock Parties 10-01-2012 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8967452)
The last 4 years he is 29-29 as a starter for the Keystone Chiefs.

What? No.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261629

Quote:

Matt Cassel is 19-25 in his 44 career starts with the Chiefs.

TEX 10-01-2012 03:01 PM

The ironic thing is in "protecting" Cassel, Pioli has done more harm than good. He will NEVER be able to lead the team again once he's replaced.

BoneKrusher 10-01-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8967385)
RAC is a pussy
I have lost all respect

he's Pioli's Big Puppet.

Rausch 10-01-2012 03:08 PM

This organization doesn't seem to get it.

I'M NOT PAYING A DIME TO WATCH CASSEL QB THIS TEAM.

I don't care that we lose by 35 instead of 21 if he's benched. If he's the best we've got, and you idiots locked us into this situation because of that, that's YOUR ****ing fault.

We are tired of seeing the same suck every ****ing week. I will not pay to watch you waste our time repeating the same mistake every game. Perhaps Quinn isn't the best QB on this team. Fine.

Perhaps he turns into the best QB by the end of the season. Perhaps he leads the league in INT's. We don't know.

What we do know is exactly what we'll get after 4 years with Ca$$hole...

Hoover 10-01-2012 03:10 PM

All this Manning talk is just Pioli covering his ass.

Rausch 10-01-2012 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 8967539)
All this Manning talk is just Pioli covering his ass.

Well, it's stupid, because he failed at that too...

BoneKrusher 10-01-2012 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 8967539)
All this Manning talk is just Pioli covering his ass.

yep, and why didnt Piloi convince Orton to stay in KC?
(because Orton was not gonna stoop as low as being a Backup to Cassel.);)

stonedstooge 10-01-2012 03:15 PM

Pisoli trying to save his own ass. What a ****ing loser this dude is. Poor old Romeo isn't smart enough to know he's being set up for the fall. Me thinks Pisoli would throw his own mother under the bus if it provided a small benefit to him

FAX 10-01-2012 03:15 PM

I'm just weary of this FO treating the fans as though they are complete fools. Now, I won't argue the fact that some Chiefs fans are utterly devoid of anything resembling a thought process. Nonetheless, not all are and the FO's continued contempt for our intelligence and abuse of our loyalty is shameful.

FAX

Hammock Parties 10-01-2012 03:16 PM

One guy that actually stood up for Cassel was Eric Winston.

That guy is a leader.

jspchief 10-01-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8967575)
One guy that actually stood up for Cassel was Eric Winston.

That guy is a leader.

**** Winston. He's had one good game in KC so far. I'll give a shit what he has to say as soon as he stops letting Kroy Biermann push his shit in.

Iowanian 10-01-2012 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8967575)
One guy that actually stood up for Cassel was Eric Winston.

That guy is a leader.

That's interesting because during the game his blocking and effort were so piss poor I thought he was trying to save the team by getting #7 hurt.

BoneKrusher 10-01-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8967595)
**** Winston. He's had one good game in KC so far. I'll give a shit what he has to say as soon as he stops letting Kroy Biermann push his shit in.

he's a decent run blocker, Houston sure dont miss his ass.

BigMeatballDave 10-01-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8967575)
One guy that actually stood up for Cassel was Eric Winston.

That guy is a leader.

Probably because he's the new guy.

saphojunkie 10-01-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8967611)
Probably because he's the new guy.

That's what you do as an offensive lineman. Period. And QBs are never to blame OL for a pass rush.

It's the not-quite-unspoken rule of the nfl

TEX 10-01-2012 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8967603)
he's a decent run blocker, Houston sure dont miss his ass.

He is a very capable run blocker. The knock on him was his pass protection. He is only average there. The Texans wanted more pass protection with Schaub prone to injury. That's why they let him walk.

stonedstooge 10-01-2012 03:35 PM

About time for a Casshole fake injury. Pisoli working on it

Dave Lane 10-01-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8967419)
Look at this guy, believing that this isn't Pioli trying to throw Crennel under the bus.

Its called a pattern.

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8967643)
Its called a pattern.

It's actually a process.

siberian khatru 10-01-2012 03:43 PM

So Cassel is just a backup, not a starter. But the only guy who could replace him is Peyton Manning? And failing to nab him ... YOU DO NOTHING ELSE TO IMPROVE THE POSITION.

Quinn was signed just in case Cassel got hurt. Otherwise, there was NOBODY out there who could've pushed Cassel.

That's what they're trying to sell us? That they KNOW Cassel sucks, but there's nothing they can do about it?

sedated 10-01-2012 03:53 PM

It’s a little bit insulting for Pioli to come out now and blame Romeo for them sticking with Cassel.

If my boss told me to do one thing and then went to his bosses and told them that it was completely my call, I would quit the next day.

Hammock Parties 10-01-2012 03:54 PM

The way Pioli constantly insults our intelligence is embarrassing.

He's been doing it since Orton was not re-signed.

BoneKrusher 10-01-2012 03:57 PM

taken from the ESPN Home Page on Matt Cassel's future as the KC Starter:

Quote:

Cassel was showered with boos throughout the first half Sunday, but was greeted by something much worse by the time the fourth quarter rolled around: silence.

The vast majority of the crowd had already headed for the parking lots.


i love it.

King_Chief_Fan 10-01-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8967570)
I'm just weary of this FO treating the fans as though they are complete fools. Now, I won't argue the fact that some Chiefs fans are utterly devoid of anything resembling a thought process. Nonetheless, not all are and the FO's continued contempt for our intelligence and abuse of our loyalty is shameful.

FAX

those paying the prices, attending games, season tickets...they are all fools and they deserve what they get.

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8967689)
The way Pioli constantly insults our intelligence is embarrassing.

He's been doing it since Orton was not re-signed.

Or telling us Tyson Jackson was Russell Maryland

MahiMike 10-01-2012 04:05 PM

Put Sanchez in.

Chiefnj2 10-01-2012 04:07 PM

An article about an article based on speculation. What garbage.

BoneKrusher 10-01-2012 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8967722)
An article about an article based on speculation. What garbage.

i speculate that Pissoli, Romeo and Cassel suck.

Sure-Oz 10-01-2012 04:10 PM

Report: Chiefs losing confidence in QB Cassel

Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports reports that Matt Cassel is losing the confidence of "players and many others" in the Chiefs' organization with his dismal play of late.
Cassel, incredibly, is on pace for 40 turnovers. Head coach Romeo Crennel still has Cassel's back, but it remains to be seen how long it will last. "Look, there's a big reason why they went after Peyton Manning as hard as they did this offseason," a source with knowledge of GM Scott Pioli's thinking told Yahoo. "What you're seeing from Cassel is pretty much what was expected. He's a really nice backup, not a starter." The Chiefs should have re-signed Kyle Orton in the offseason. They're stuck with Brady Quinn and Ricky Stanzi behind Cassel on the depth chart. Stanzi was awful in the preseason.
Source: Yahoo Sports
Oct 1 - 2:44 PM

Phobia 10-01-2012 05:15 PM

A couple of comments about this...

1. "He's a really good backup QB." - ummmm, the problem with backups is they become starters when your starter gets hurt and then you're back to square one. Backups should be development prospects who are ready and capable when their number is called. Cassel is not a good backup. I HATE it when anybody says that. Drives me crazy.
2. What if the players lost confidence in #7 from the very beginning? I've been searching for answers why this team sucks so horrifically from top to bottom when they're very talented on paper and the only thing I can come up with is that the other 52 don't believe in the guy leading the way so they're just going through the motions.

SAUTO 10-01-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8967971)
A couple of comments about this...

1. "He's a really good backup QB." - ummmm, the problem with backups is they become starters when your starter gets hurt and then you're back to square one. Backups should be development prospects who are ready and capable when their number is called. Cassel is not a good backup. I HATE it when anybody says that. Drives me crazy.
2. What if the players lost confidence in #7 from the very beginning? I've been searching for answers why this team sucks so horrifically from top to bottom when they're very talented on paper and the only thing I can come up with is that the other 52 don't believe in the guy leading the way so they're just going through the motions.

this and this again

Big Chief Homer 10-01-2012 05:40 PM

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2. What if the players lost confidence in #7 from the very beginning? I've been searching for answers why this team sucks so horrifically from top to bottom when they're very talented on paper and the only thing I can come up with is that the other 52 don't believe in the guy leading the way so they're just going through the motions.[/QUOTE]

I dont think they respect him anymore, if they ever did at all.

How many times has he throw them under the bus(the grading out comment comes to mind).

He's constantly getting his receivers lit up with high throws.

The stupid interceptions (screen pass madness)

Everyone on the team is held accountable or has competetion except Cassel.

the guy cant even celebrate with his team mates with out making a total ass of himself. He reminds me of the waterboy when they score.

cdcox 10-01-2012 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8967367)
Finding out you don't have a quarterback, however, tugs the entire operation back to square one.

BRAND NEW INFORMATION

Bwana 10-01-2012 05:51 PM

Well yeah.........

Molitoth 10-01-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8967971)
A couple of comments about this...

1. "He's a really good backup QB." - ummmm, the problem with backups is they become starters when your starter gets hurt and then you're back to square one. Backups should be development prospects who are ready and capable when their number is called. Cassel is not a good backup. I HATE it when anybody says that. Drives me crazy.
2. What if the players lost confidence in #7 from the very beginning? I've been searching for answers why this team sucks so horrifically from top to bottom when they're very talented on paper and the only thing I can come up with is that the other 52 don't believe in the guy leading the way so they're just going through the motions.

and Phobia nails it.

Marcellus 10-01-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8967689)
The way Pioli constantly insults our intelligence is embarrassing.

He's been doing it since Orton was not re-signed
.

The fact you think Orton is the answer is an insult to everyone on CP's intelligence.

If you are going to bitch about not getting a QB, make it a worth while QB, say one from the draft or something and not just another gutless pussy.

Idiot.

boogblaster 10-01-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8967428)
Of course he's losing the locker room. The guy is a piece of shit. It would truly suck to be one of his wide receivers.

^
this

Stumplifter 10-01-2012 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 8967600)
That's interesting because during the game his blocking and effort were so piss poor I thought he was trying to save the team by getting #7 hurt.

This..... I had the same thought on a couple of those plays.... it looked like "The Longest Yard" on a couple...

Dayze 10-01-2012 11:05 PM

Reportedly, poop tastes like shit. Reportedly

kcchiefsus 10-01-2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8967386)
I expected to see something about team mates losing faith in Cassel by the thread title. I am sure they have, but it is not in this article.

I remain convinced that Bowe is sick of him, but I am not aware of any words reflecting it.

Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported the fourth-year starter is "losing confidence from players and many others in the organization."

There are no direct quotes, but how is that not something about teammates losing faith in Cassel? Read much?

L.A. Chieffan 10-01-2012 11:24 PM

Franchise leader in yards. I wouldnt call that subpar

Brock 10-01-2012 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cassel's Love Child (Post 8969430)
Franchise leader in yards. I wouldnt call that subpar

Who'd he beat out? Bill Kenney?

L.A. Chieffan 10-01-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8969434)
Who'd he beat out? Bill Kenney?

Ever heard of Trent Green or Joe Montana?

You must be a new fan

Chiefs Pantalones 10-01-2012 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cassel's Love Child (Post 8969430)
Franchise leader in yards. I wouldnt call that subpar

After the first four weeks of the season, not overall in franchise history. And he got those yards in garbage time against soft zone defenses.

L.A. Chieffan 10-01-2012 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 8969457)
After the first four weeks of the season, not overall in franchise history. And he got those yards in garbage time against soft zone defenses.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/sgifs/Sheep_bw.GIF

Brock 10-01-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cassel's Love Child (Post 8969440)
Ever heard of Trent Green or Joe Montana?

You must be a new fan

He's not the franchise leader in yards by any meaningful measure. He's barely top 10 in single season yards. He's a sack of shit, but then you already know this.

Chiefs Pantalones 10-01-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cassel's Love Child (Post 8969464)

Lol I know you're just trolling but I'm just pointing out the facts.

BossChief 10-01-2012 11:32 PM

This team would be a superbowl contender with Trent Green.

L.A. Chieffan 10-01-2012 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8969470)
He's not the franchise leader in yards by any meaningful measure. He's barely top 10 in single season yards. He's a sack of shit, but then you already know this.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu...lo1_r5_500.gif

clyde05 10-01-2012 11:36 PM

I just want to see my team win, is that too much to ask for? How can Pioli or Hunt defend themselves over all these years of not winning? Enough is enough! I get excited every Sunday to root for a Chiefs win, but that excitement is gone now cuz I know what most likely will be outcome. We all know Crennel, Pioli and Hunt know Cassel isn't a starting qb, but they don't care, that's pathetic!

Dayze 10-01-2012 11:44 PM

Trent was the best QBwe've had since Lenny. Imo

Sorter 10-02-2012 12:06 AM

^^^Without a doubt. Who else can possibly compete?

Montana, but it was a short period in the poor side of his career.

ShortRoundChief 10-02-2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8969575)
^^^Without a doubt. Who else can possibly compete?

Montana, but it was a short period in the poor side of his career.

But he not only excelled, he ignited the fan base.

Sorter 10-02-2012 12:29 AM

Yup. Green would have this team at 4-0 IMO.

Chiefspants 10-02-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8969627)
Yup. Green would have this team at 4-0 IMO.

I would say we would be 2-2 or 3-1. Atlanta is a tossup in my mind, Trent always competed in shootouts, but it's hard to know where that one would have gone. (I'd like to think we would have pulled it out at home) I still think we would have dropped against Buffalo, the game started badly, was on the road, and nothing seemed to go right at any position. We would have destroyed New Orleans, many of those field goals would have been touchdowns. I also think we would have pulled it out against the Chargers, Green wouldn't have had those turnovers and would have capitalized from the opportunities that SD gave him.

/It's only a fantasy

Sorter 10-02-2012 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 8969632)
I would say we would be 2-2 or 3-1. Atlanta is a tossup in my mind, Trent always competed in shootouts, but it's hard to know where that one would have gone. (I'd like to think we would have pulled it out at home) I still think we would have dropped against Buffalo, the game started badly, was on the road, and nothing seemed to go right at any position. We would have destroyed New Orleans, many of those field goals would have been touchdowns. I also think we would have pulled it out against the Chargers, Green wouldn't have had those turnovers and would have capitalized from the opportunities that SD gave him.

/It's only a fantasy

Certainly.

I do think that Green would have victimized their SS and LCB, while also utilizing Boss/Moeaki down the seam as the Bills have struggled there.

Only fantasy though.


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