PFF refocused: Ravens/Chiefs
 

The part about Houston and Hali is awesome.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...chiefs-week-5/

Yesterday I heard people arguing that neither interception was Cassel's fault.
I've also heard that the interceptions WERE Bowe's fault. I call bullshit on both counts.

The first interception was a great play made by the defender to get a hand in and tip the ball up.
Wasn't Cassel's fault. Wasn't Bowe's fault.

The second interception was a bad throw. The ball was thrown high and to the back shoulder. A back shoulder throw on a crossing route going the other way. Horrible ball placement. Bowe had to leave his feet. That was definitely on Cassel.

Bad throw but Bowe should have caught the 2nd one.

Correct on both counts. Sure would be nice if our WRs could just catch a ball in stride once in a while just so they can see what it's like.

That's kooky talk./MC

Brady Quinn is not the answer.

He will be marginally better, but no worse than Cassel.

Brady Quinn will confirm that the Chiefs have 3 QB's that are not starters.

Quinn might be back up material

If I'm remembering right, Cassel was staring down Bowe on the first INT and drew a lot of defenders into Bowes direction. In result, the DB had more than enough flexibility to make that play.

Brady Quinn strikes me as a guy who will go out and throw 4 picks instead of checking it down.

Different kind of suck, incoming.

The first pick should never have happened. Maneri was wide open on the other side of the field and could have crawled at least to the 5

Or set the league on fire

I thought Joe Montana Jr. was stepping onto the field?!?!? Really?!?! WOW! YOU SIR HAVE ****ING INSIGHT!

Is that you Miss Cleo? What the powerball numbers tomorrow?

****! This place is a goldmine!

There's some truth to this.

Quinn will do more thing that actively piss us off. He'll fire a couple of balls downfield that miss their target by 5 feet and end up getting picked. He'll also force balls into coverage that you silently pray find grass instead of an opponent.

But as you've noted - it's a different kind of suck. It's a more hopeful form of suck where we can at least see the occasional flashes of what some of the talent on this team could do with a real QB at the helm....right before a backbreaking interception.

It's essentially like being caned instead of whipped. In the end, it's probably the best we can hope for.

There's also a rust factor with Quinn that's probably gonna be bigger than anyone wants to admit right now.

We're gonna try and win 10-6 again.

Justin Houston makes my jimmy hard.

Anyone know Von Millers PFF ratings for the season?

"We’re not saying he was good by any stretch, but is a switch to Brady Quinn really going to fix the problem?"

I'm sayin' Brady Quinn fixed several problems evident in the Chiefs passing game. The first problem Quinn fixed was evident in the first pass he attempted. A lazer to a tight spot where Dwayne Bowe was lurking, and that was not gonna happen coming from Matty C's Juan Marichal style delivery.

If Quinn can continue to hit his mark, he's going to be fine. He looked good during several plays.

:D

Yep.

It's just almost exactly like the Cassel vs. Orton debate last year.

Two sides of the same shitty coin.

OBTW-

"Jamaal Charles’ yards per carry dropped from 6.3 in the first half to 1.5 in the second half."


go fist your grandma's grandma. You did not watch this game. Jamaal was asked to do the impossible. I could see him doing his "not sure if serious" impression on those plays. The OL is showing signs they could become good. But, c'mon, it's Ray Ray and it's a close game fourth qtr -- you want to run under those circumstances, you better have explosives.

Wrong. That was on Bowe. I hate Cassel as much as anyone, but Bowe should have made that catch. Not every pass from elite QBs are on target, and sometimes they throw high. Bowe wants to be paid like a top 5-10 receiver. A top 5-10 receiver makes that catch and so should he.

There were multiple occasions where Moeaki stacked up Ray Lewis and washed him out of a play. Not bad.

Safe to say Houston is our best defensive player this far. Glad he proves me wrong, I did not think he would have this type of season in his career. Way more athletic then I thought

PFF's credibility is taking a hit here, IMO. No bad throws or bad decisions?

Bullshit.

Mic is spot on in his analysis, and didn't even mention that on one of the throws, a Chief receiver (Maneri, IIRC) was standing wide open with no one within 10 yards of him.

If that's not a bad decision, I'm not sure what is.

Let's be fair here.

Amy time Cassel decides to throw the ball it's a bad decision, so maybe they grade him on a curve. Yesterday he never made a decision as bad as throwing an int on a screen pass.
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I'm praying for a coaching change next year so we can bring in Rex Ryan as the DC. He'd be ****ing perfect with this defense.

LMAO

Well, there's that.

Basically Quinn will take chances, while Cassel will be a scared mother ****er.

I can handle a risk-taker instead of a pussy mother ****er until this season ends.

How can he say neither INT was Cassel's fault? Ok, the first one to Bowe there was clear PI. However, Bowe was double-triple covered and Maneri was flying wide open with no one within 10 yards of him. Cassel never should have thrown the damn ball there in the first place.

The 2nd INT Bowe should have caught but again, it was high and slightly behind.

Hell, I'd take Rex or Rob.

Hell, I'd take Rex and Rob.

I want someone who will instill some ****ing toughness and attitude. This team has been soft for years.

this.
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This :clap:

Mike Zimmer as HC?

His son is an asst. here...

ha

For now, thats fine by me... atleast the suck will have some sizzle.

Several people laughed at me when I said that I thought a realistic stat line for Cassel would be 14 of 18 for 121 yards. They said there was NO WAY we'd only attempt 18 passes.

:D

LMAO

The 18 attempts I don't have a problem with. When you are running the ball the way we did you shouldn't have to pass much. That being said the problem was the 18 attempts going for shit yards.

Again, we were running all over the Ravens. The PA Pass was there to be exploited and 9-12 of those 18 attempts should have been over the top for 20+ yards. FFS, Steve DeBerg would have lit shit up yesterday.

Both INTs were Cassel's fault. He threw the first into traffic. The second was behind Bowe and bounced off his shoulder pad. Even when he sucks beyond recognition, Cassel gets excuses made for him.

It's ****ing amazing isn't it?

LMAO

The Hunts will never hire a guy with a foot fetish.

Right there is our biggest problem.

Eh, they have him rated 29th.

Good enough.

Houston is a freaking animal. He's gonna be better than Tamba. You guys just watch.

INT#2 was on Bowe because that ball should have been caught.

But I will say this....Cassel needs to put the ball where it needs to be......and yet he NEVER does that and ALWAYS relies on our big bodied WR's to extend and catch the ball high. Ya know if you do that all the time the chances that you'll throw an INT from a tipped pass increases A LOT. Normally you'd like for Bowe to come up w/ that catch but Cassel needs to place the ball better.....as that's been a problem his whole KC career.

The first one was Cassel's fault....he rarely sees a play develop. Most time the play has already developed and the ball gets there too late or he makes the bad pass where the WR has to adjust, fall down or jump to where the defender will gain ground on his coverage. Bowe was open, but by the time Cassel got the ball out, Bowe was blanketed by a WR who was able to get his hand in there enough to deflect the pass. 1 second sooner that's a completed pass.

Inaccurate QBs have more drops, more tipped balls, more INTs.

Sheer probability.

Yep.

Just look at Sanchez last night. JJ Watt made a good play on the tipped ball towards the end of the game but when you watch the play develop from behind the Jets, you can clearly see that the "open" WR in the end zone was WAY left of where Sanchez was going with the ball.

And yeah, the WR should have caught that last pick but it was a high throw.

And in the process of lighting it up, he would have thrown more than 18 passes.

That's the whole thing - the way they ran the ball in the 1st half almost dictates that you HAVE to pass or you risk the defense just stuffing the box and shutting you down.

Which is precisely what happened.

Exactly. Tipped balls are going to happen. When you throw into triple coverage and it's tipped the odds of the INT are much higher than when you throw into single coverage...or like you said...when the guy is WIDE F**ING OPEN!

He can't follow progressions. We all know this. He throws high and wide to his first read or he checks down. Defenses know all of this as well, and they're generating turnovers because of it.

It wasn't just thrown high. It was thrown high AND behind him.
Horrible placement. Not sure how Bowe's responsible for that.

This throw was not like the Moeaki INT against SD. With this throw, Bowe's hands were on it. The fact of the matter is this, Bowe wants to be paid like Fitz, he needs to play like it. Fitzgerald makes that catch as does Megatron, Andre Johnson etc..... Cassel is not a good QB and most INTs are his fault, but at some point the receivers need to be held accountable instead of blaming Cassel for every pass that is not perfect out of blind hatred for the man. This INT was on Bowe.

How many times does Bowe have to MAKE catches like this before people get it?

This fanbase is cursed for a reason.

:rolleyes:

Id take that ALL day over watching fetal checkdown. At least take some shots.

The catch would not have been a Sportscenter highlight catch. A top 5 receiver makes the catch Bowe did not make and they do it quite regularly. If he wants to get paid like one he SHOULD be expected to make that catch. This is not a defense of Cassel, but holding Bowe blameless on the INT is ridiculous.

The thing is, Bowe wasn't ready for that pass. That is a problem with Bowe.

Bowe is not a top 5 WR. Fact is everything goes wrong with Cassell throwing the ball.

Top 5 WRs drop passes like that ALL THE TIME.

Is Bowe blameless on that pass? No.

Is nitpicking Bowe for EVERY INDIVIDUAL bad play beyond the point of ridiculousness? Absolutely.

With the problems this team has, people want to micro-analyze one of the FEW GOOD players we have. Reprehensible.

For every 1 problem with Bowe, there's a THOUSAND solutions.

Fans in other cities would LOVE to have Dwayne Bowe so don't worry, he'll be able to oblige them in the offseason.

It will be so fun watching Cassel play next year without Bowe dropping the ball all the time. :rolleyes:

Other than the couple of easy receptions he has dropped this season (a recurring theme, maybe:rolleyes:) Bowe has played his best football. He is elite now because overall his play is consistent and he is beating cover regularly. I like how he slimmed down and gets some explosion out his breaks. He needs to acquire a taste for blood. He needs to make plays like this one though, got to be hungry for that ball. He does this and he is going to be among the best.

I'm holding out hope that with a new GM that holding on to Bowe becomes a priority. Along with the same new GM hiring a decent HC. :thumb:

What's Winston's PFF rating and ranking?

He's the same player he's always been. He's a good player.

And a big, dumb jock.

Poe has not shown up as a liability as the raw player is was drafted as. How's he rating out?

He actually had his best game Sunday.

Positive rating by the thinnest of margins.

Extension time for Pioli.

I just re-watched the game and focused on him alot and that's about the way I saw it.

DL looks better without Dorsey already.