Petro's back on the "drafting a QB is going to fail" rant
 

Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

29 QBs have won a Super Bowl.

13 QBs won it with the team that drafted them. He's not counting Elway or Eli Manning.

He's not counting them? Why?

Because they won their Super Bowls with a team other than the one that drafted them.

To be fair, he went on to say that the Broncos and Giants deserve major credit for being bold enough to make those trades.

Probably because both were drafted by other teams and then traded?

8 of the 29 Super Bowl winning QBs were taken with the 1st overall pick.

Because they were drafted and immediately traded to another team. They played their rookie seasons for the team they won the SB with.

He's right.

Look, the odds are pretty decent that the guy we draft doesn't take us to a championship. In fact, there's a good chance that the guy we draft never amounts to more than an average QB.

Who gives a shit?

That's backwards thinking. You don't win games by 'winning' drafts or by having the least busted draft picks.

You have to have a decent quarterback to win in this league - you just do. So regardless of the fact that your attempts at getting one will likely end in failure with some frequency, you still have to try to get one.

And if it doesn't work - you try again.

You don't build a team around what's easy to acquire.

Ok, I guess technically he is correct but they were still 1st round QBs.

There is another layer here too; look at the number of 1st round QBs that took thier team to a SB, Jim Kelly for example.

Useless ****ing douche. Can not stand Pisshole.

What's the history of the Chiefs for not drafting one in the last 29 years ?!?!?!? Hmmmmm :hmmm:

he's clueless about building teams...hopelessly so

How is that Bold? They were like the best QB prospects ever, a blind monkey could have made those deals.

All Playoff games won were by HOF'er Joe Montana? I could be wrong.

Well, he just went in an unexpected direction.

He's now suggesting the Chiefs should do whatever it takes to trade into the 1st overall pick.

Talked about whether the Dolphins would rather have Matt Ryan or Jake Long. Saying Pioli should have to spend a full day every spring informing Clark about all of the QBs in the upcoming draft.

And then he's saying they should go get their guy and trade whatever it takes to get him.

And he feeds dumbass True Fans their daily manna. I would really love to cock-punch him with a mule.

Schizo shithead.

Yes this.....Include all the 1st round Qbs who lost a Super Bowl as well. Marino, Elway, Kelly, P. Manning, etc....

At least they had a sustained history of success.

They traded away quite a bit to get them. Some people thought Rivers was actually the better prospect.

You have to admit the hype around both of them seemed to make them can't miss.

we've spent 30 years doing it every way BUT drafting a first round QB and have NOTHING to show for it...

people who whine and cry about "oh, it might not work!" are ****ing idiots beyond salvation...

saying 'it might not work' is saying nothing at all..it's saying 'duh'...

Well at least one of them was. ;)

Oh man, had we drafted Marino...

The thing is, Petro isn't saying it might not work.

He's saying it WON'T work. Kind of like saying you're NOT going to win the lottery.

At the same time, he's also not saying "don't do it".

He's saying they should do it. And he's saying they should trade away players/picks if they have to.

Petro is a trends/stats/context guy. I applaud him for it. He doesn't just throw stuff out there, he does his research.

But in this case it makes him look like he has multiple personality disorder.

No thanks.

The 90's would have been ****ing EPIC with Marino.

"We might doom this franchise for years!!!"


Says the fan of the team who is 28-59 since 2007....

The 90s likely wouldn't have happened with Marino. We would have never been in a position to draft Smith and Thomas, among others.

We would have ended up looking just like the Dolphins.

There's a reason Marino never won it all.

We should probably go with Teo, that guy is a Ray Lewis franchise changing guy

ROFL

he's just a contrarian...he likes to have a 'counter-intuitive' take even when it means missing a fairly obvious point...

Well, the other guy certainly worked out well...:rolleyes:

You dont think we'll have a high enough pick to grab him?

I would have happily taken Marino over Blackledge.

That's the thing, he's really NOT missing the point.

He said they should draft a QB. He said they NEED to draft a QB. He said they need to do it in Round 1 and should trade up to 1-1 if they can.

He's just acknowledging that, statistically speaking, we're not going to win a Super Bowl no matter what we do.

Sounds like a Chiefs fan, if you asked me. :(

When you frame it that way, sure.

But Marino certainly isn't the be-all-end-all. With the gift of hindsight, I would have much rather had Jim Kelly than any of the others.

Imagine how crazy good this team would of been an awesome defense and Dan Marino.

The gospel according to Petro? Pass. Tool.

That awesome defense was predicated on Smith and Thomas. We wouldn't have gotten either of those guys if we had Marino.

Dude, that's almost a decade apart in draft classes. I truly don't see your point. Especially if those two were who Carl and Steadman really wanted.

Hes saying that the Chiefs most likely would have won more games in 87 and 88 with Marino. Thus, they would have been out of the running to draft back to back top 4 picks.

I want to neg rep Petro

Gone are the days you had to sell the farm to get a 1st round QB. The risk is now minimal.

LMAO

Those guys were top 4 picks.

Dan Marino's WORST year as a starter was 6-10.

Position...yeah, whatever.

But if the Chiefs truly wanted them.....

To summarize the entire segment from Petro because the OP jumped to conclusions -

The Chiefs should draft a QB as high as possible, but it's not a cure all for all of their problems. There are plenty of examples where it has failed, and the Chiefs have that possibility as well.

Look, here's the dynamic:

We have a defense that when healthy and inspired, can actually get things done.
When you have a complete jackass at QB that is capable of absolutely nothing, when the offense has no fire, leadership, or productivity and can not capitalize on the defense's good work, the whole thing goes down the shitter.

The QB, in this modern league and for the Chiefs needs, is THEE MOST IMPORATNT THING TO BE ADDRESSED.

Period.

Good point. Never thought of that.

Even if we had Marino, you don't think Marty and Cowher could of built exceptional defenses without the likes of Smith and Thomas?

Marty and Cowher? Yes.

****her? No.

We have been ****ing failing for 30+ years! Entire generations have been raised in the suck that has been.

Anyone under 25 has no memory of even a respectable or competitive team.

THERE ARE NO NEW FANS.

The children of KC don't care or even follow the Chiefs. All their years this team has been a horrible joke only shown on national TV when some other team did something impressive.

It's the 80's all over again.

At this point the law of averages is IN OUR FAVOR.

DRAFT ONE.

Actually, I didn't jump to any conclusions. I posted the OP before he FINISHED.

Read the subsequent posts and you'll see that I posted the full breakdown.

Who gives a shit what the odds are? We know that NOT drafting one has ****ing killed us.

This is so reeruned.

Durr, Bart Starr went in the 17th round of the draft! (true story) We should follow that plan!

When I was in school in the late 80's, NOBODY wore Chiefs shit. NO ONE.

Probably wouldn't have hired Marty, or Carl for that matter.

Remember, this team got gutted in 1988. That likely wouldn't have happened with Marino at the helm.

Outside of KC no one does now...

You know, it's sad when you see the little amount of success this franchise has had over the years. And also having to go through the embarrassing moments
of constantly watching teams walk on us left, right and center.

I think the children of KC do care but are like a lot of other Chiefs fans where they've developed a sense of apathy towards the team. That's just natural when you experience losing on a consistent basis.

Aye, now there's a good point.

It all starts with the QB. It has always been this way, and now it's even more so in today's league.

That is true. Up until the last few years you saw people wear Chiefs garb and flying flags all over the State of Kansas... now there are no Chiefs flags and very little Chiefs gear worn period. Sure seeing a lot more Denver wear.

I posted this in another thread a while back. since thing, yet another 1st Rounder (Eli) has won 2 more.
Petro needs to look at the last 15 or so years.

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since 1990, there have been 6 teams that was won a SB with a QB they did not draft:
Ravens (Dilfer), Rams (Warner), Bucs (Johnson), Saints (Brees), Niners (Young), Packers (Favre). So, one 'could' argue they were Firsts. But for this comparison, we won't include them.

of those, Dilfer, Young were 1st Rd picks (Brees was 32 overall; Favre 33rd overall).

the other 14 Super Bowl winners that drafted a QB, only 2 were not 1st Round picks: Brady & Rypien.


So, of the last 20 SB winners, only 6 were not 1st Round picks. (If you argue that Brees and Farve were basically 1sts, then only 4 were not 1st round picks)

Can't fail much worse than what has happened the last 20 years.

Obviously Petro is just trolling for listeners.

Even if you miss on the QB you aren't worse off than if you don't try. The Jags missed and they have one win, just like the Chiefs. Big deal. Miami, Seattle and the Vikings all gambled a bit and they have better records than KC. The upside is just so much bigger than to try the washed up vet route.

but that goes without saying...the only reason to even say it is to be obnoxious

this was a while a while back. I believe Sac was being sarcastic with his remark. the tone of the thread was to use 1sts on Skill players

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo
That's right. Good teams build around the skill positions. Outside in is the only way to do it. That's how all the top teams did it.

SB teams with 1st Round lineman (as of 2010 when this post was made)

Arizona - 1 OL taken in the 1st since 2000
New Orleans - 1 OL taken in the 1st since (no 1st rounders on SB winning team/offense)
Indy - no OL taken since 2000 (break down since 2000 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 DE, 1 TE, 1 CB)
Pitt - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1996 (Faneca '98 at #26, and Kendall Simmons in '02 at #30)
Giants - no OL taken in 1st 1988
Pats - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1999 (Center '99, and Mankins in 2005 at #32 overall)

Indy's use of their 1sts
Indy
2009 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
2008 No Pick --
2007 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
2006 30 Joseph Addai RB Louisiana State
2005 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
2004 No Pick --
2003 24 Dallas Clark TE Iowa
2002 11 Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse
2001 30 Reggie Wayne WR Miami (Fla.)
2000 28 Rob Morris LB Brigham Young
1999 4 Edgerrin James RB Miami (Fla.)
1998 1 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee

Well I'm convinced lets draft another lineman instead.

So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping dose of reality.

The whole Superbowl QB argument is a pile of crap anyway. Not to be like Jim Mora but, who the **** is talking Superbowl right now? We just need a guy who can win a playoff game. You want to do something smart?

Run the numbers on playoff winners. Find out what they have in common. Don't even look at the Superbowl BS. You are shooting for the moon.

Or defeatist.

Sometimes I get the impression he's headed for the latter...can you blame him? Some of us here have succumbed to it.

This.

Take risks. Go for the QB.

The risk is GREATER trading for some b/u than it is using that pick on a 1st round QB...

man, if we draft a QB and he sucks, we might become a losing team.

What the **** do my perceptions have to do with anything?

I was merely repeating what he said, troll.

So let's draft an OT!/dumbass True Fan

what do you mean here? I'm not being inflamatory, just making sure I'm reading it right etc.

nah, it's just boring cynicism...

we've done it the wrong way for decades, with basically shit to show for it

and now that it looks like we might try it the right way, all he can do is focus on the possibility of failure? instead of being happy about finally having a real chance?

you're just a miserable bastard if that is how you feel...chiefs fans should be feeling an increased joy and excitement with every loss this year...

it is finally going to happen...what we've been waiting decades for

**** yeah.

I don't know.

If there's one thing this franchise has taught me, it's that I shouldn't get my hopes up.

I'm faithing in God and Walter Football right now...