Next year's back up QB
 

I don't think we should draft two QBs this year. At least not two high-pick QBs.

Draft Geno Smith at #1 overall, yes. But then either consider a throwaway 6th/7th round guy or go find somebody else. Our new franchise guy is going to need as much help as he can get in his first year. If that 3rd/4th round pick can be spent on a guy like Shayne Skov at ILB or Robert Lester at S, it eliminates the need to continue trotting out garbage, or finding crap free agents like Elam or Routt.

My dream scenario is to draft Geno, keep Stanzi, and sign Bruce Gradkowski in free agency. There needs to be SOME kind of veteran on that squad- it can't be all 100% developmental guys.

Smith
Gradkowski
Stanzi

That's a solid group of QBs, one that looks forward to the future. If we really need another young prospect, we should look to the draft next year.

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*Edit* I don't really care who the vet is, just as long as we get one with some ****ing talent.

we should draft BQBA in the 1st and the 3rd or 4th (like the Redskins) and go from there. Have the two young guys push each other...if the 3rd round young guy flashes (circa Cousins) then you have trade bait or a backup plan if you get Gabbert'ed by the 1st round guy.

I like the idea of Hasselback as the true vet that has had success as the backup.
Not trying to pick on Stanzi but geez if you can't even get a look when Cassel or Quinn are both the very definition of suck and this is his 3rd year here. Time to move on.

Geno and Ricky should both be here (unless Ricky just cant make the roster) and Id like to see someone like Matt Moore, Drew Stanton or even Tavaris Jackson get a shot as the vet.

That would round out a pretty damn good QB group.

F the Stanzi. If he's so bad that he can't get in with the group we have now, just forget it.

He's healthy and looking for work. I wouldn't be against bringing him to camp.


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Take your pick of available QB free agents:

Luke McCown – ATL
Joe Flacco – BAL
Tarvaris Jackson – BUF
Tyler Thigpen – BUF
Derek Anderson – CAR
Jason Campbell – CHI
Josh McCown – CHI
Bruce Gradkowski – CIN
Drew Stanton – IND
Brady Quinn – KC
Pat Devlin – MIA – (Ex)
Matt Moore – MIA
Chase Daniel – NO
David Carr – NYG
Matt Leinart – OAK
Charlie Batch – PIT
Byron Leftwich – PIT
Kellen Clemens – STL
Rex Grossman – WAS

Completely agree.

It's not like it would be the first time a team drafted two quarterbacks in the same year, and what team needs it more than the Chiefs?

Some examples off the top of my head:

Cowboys: Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh
Redskins: Heath Shuler and Gus Frerrotte
Redskins: RG3 and Kirk Cousins

I'm sure there are lots of others.

David Gerrard would be a nice sign n play guy, but I dont think it would be wise to invest much into him on a 2 or 3 year deal with his back issues. Once a player starts having back issues, they almost never go away. Its too bad, because I like his skill set a lot and he would be a better fit than the other guys I mentioned.

Playing Stanzi now would be officially throwing in the towel and even though the whole team/world knows we are done, they are not going to admit it just yet. Now, if he doesn't play a few games by the end of the season, well then..........

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You only throw in the towel when you feel there's a fighter worth saving...

Hasselbeck has done a good job with Jake Locker, he is under contract for another year but the Titans have an up and coming backup in Rustyyyyy Smith. He may be had for a mid to low draft pick, or will possibly be waved in the offseason. Though the Titans do have plenty of cap space.

We aren't trading a cup of coffee for a 85 year old quarterback when there are better options out there that wouldn't cost a DP.

Well we are out of it and anyone being honest knows that. Maybe not mathematically but we now. So lets see if they even try to get Stanzi any time. I doubt it.

Of course we are, but the coach isn't going to say that just yet. He's still trying to "right the ship" and all of that b.s.

I want to play Stanzi more that just about anyone, but it probably won't happen till like three or four games to go.

I agree. High pick, vet and Stanzi to carry jocks.

why does stanzi even warrant a roster spot at this point? he hasent shown dick. cut his worthless ass n draft another 5 th rounder to be 3rd string

Ya'll are underrating Gradkowski by a lot.

He'll do exactly what a backup QB should do. Keep everybody's heads above water and bide his time until a definitive play can be made that will win the game.

And he's not exactly an old fart. If Geno Smith should get injured, Gradkowski has a good shot at playing pretty well. That's trade bait.

Because he'd be a 3rd ****ing string.

Some of you act like your 3rd string QB should be as good as other teams' starters.

You never invest anything too expensive in your 3rd string QB. Ever. You do like the Packers do and occasionally draft a 6th or 7th round guy and let him sit on the bench a long time. If he shows promise in practice, then you promote him. If not, then you cut him.

Stanzi was a 5th round pick, but he's here. So keep him on. Don't invest another draft pick into a player who is not supposed to ever see the field as long as he sits at 3rd string.

Seriously, if they aren't gonna at least play Stanzi for 2-3 games before the end of the year, why don't they just cut his ass and start with a clean slate at QB next year. We will be starting with a new coaching staff and that means a third playbook for the kid to learn anyways...throw his ass out there with enough time to give him an evaluation to see if he deserves a roster spot next year or not.

Its not like he can be much worse than Quinn or Cassel.

The ONLY downside to playing the kid is that he could **** up our chances of getting Geno Smith.

Drew ****ing Stanton

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We usually agree on most things on here, but man....that guy is crap.

He has never completed 55% of his throws in a year...is 6-14 as a starter...has 21 tds to 44 combined ints and fumbles...

I just dont know what you see in the guy.

Smith
Stanton
Stanzi

The Killer Sssssssss.

I had no idea his stats were that bad. Yikes.

I guess the two games I've seen him play for the Bucs were anomalies, then? He looked pretty good when I saw him last time he was starting.

We could call them the Charmers. Like snakes. Sssssssss.

To go along with the Killer Bs.

Any other animal names we can use to describe our top players at one position?

Stanton has never done shit. We need a backup that has at least accomplished something.

Yea....charmers.........yea...........that's .........well, that's ghey.
NTTAWWT

Mark Sanchez has won playoff games :evil:

:harumph:

When has he been given the chance to show anything?

What do you consider a chance?

I guess if Gradkowski sucks, the obvious choice is Moore. However, it's possible that some franchise will be stupid enough to sign him on to be their starter. If not, then Miami's almost certainly going to want him back and will give him a deal that will satisfy him.

Also, for those who want to go the draft-two-QBs route:

Would you be opposed to the strategy I mentioned in the OP as long as the Chiefs took a 3rd/4th round QB in 2014 instead?

Nope. Take Smith in the 1st and draft a developmental QB in the 3rd/4th round range. Someone like a Logan Thomas if he comes out. Work on his accuracy and let him sit for a couple of years.

Well when you are 3rd string behind Dan Orlovsky and or Shaun Hill you have to do you showing in practice and training camp because those guys are not very good.
Stanton has played in 12 games with a 55.6 completion percentage while throwing 5 TDs and 9 INTs.

I was on board with the draft two QB's, but realistically it just doesn't make sense. If you draft a guy in the top 5 then he is your guy for the foreseeable future, a late round guy would be a waste. A undrafted Rookie FA would accomplish the same thing IMO.

Now that it's fairly certain (god willing) that Cassel is gone, we really need to get Stanzi in some games to see if he has anything to offer. That way we have a better picture going into the draft and next year regarding the QB situation.

Yes, but what if an immature Tyler Bray comes out and falls to the 3rd. I think that would be hard to pass up on this year even if we draft a QB with the 1st.

All of this depends on how far Barkley drops. While I doubt he's going to drop this far, if Barkley dropped as far as the back half of the 1st round, I would trade back into the first round and grab him in heartbeat. QB's are the currency of football. Any time you can have multiple potential starters on your team, you do it.

You can never have enough good QBs.

lets get that steamy turd Blaine Gabbert as our backup. Surely he will be cut by that mustache pirate owner

So has Tim Tebow. Any one want to go there LMAO

No.

In 2009 and 2011 (when Moore got an extended chance as the teams starter) he played pretty damn good.

2009 (5 starts for Carolina)
4-1 w/l record
8td 2int
62% comp
7.6 YPA
98.5 rating

2011
12 starts for Miami
61%
16td 9int
7.2 YPA
87 rating

The guy is also only 29 and would probably be worthy of a 2 or 3 year deal as a backup.

Actually, yes.

You can if you also need a WR, CB, DT, ILB, S
I'm against 2 QB's in the draft when we have too many other positions to fill unless of course we find an aggressive GM that can lure the right free agents in.

If they don't want to draft 2 QBs this year.....I'm fine with keeping Stanzi as our 3rd. But FFS....give the kid some practice time. If after a year the new GM and coach feel that he's not what they're looking for....you draft another one to develop.

No way do we want to spend all of our first two days worth of draft picks or more to take 2 QBs in the first round. Have some conviction that you know what you are doing when you make your fist selection or you are ****ed with any and every other pick you make.

Its hard enough to develop one quarterback...no way in blue hell would I trade multiple premium picks to move back up to take Barkley when those picks SHOULD be used to acquire weapons to help ONE kid have the best chance of winning as possible.

As a backup? Dude, if Sanchez were available in free agency and accepted a backup's salary we'd be crazy not to tap that.

This is old school thinking. QB's are the currency of football...period. Any time you can get QB's that might be able to start for you or another team (even if in perception, only - i.e. Matt Flynn), you get them. You can flip QB's into BETTER WR's, CB's, DT's, etc. than the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick you're going to get.

I fear the year's with Carl (and now Pioli) have had the latent effect of training our fan-minds into believing we can't wasted picks on QB's because we have too many other holes. QB's have the potential to yield future picks that will fill more holes than your existing picks ever will.

You have to bite the bullet at some point and start the cycle of picking up QB's on a consistent basis. The first few years will hurt on the opportunity-cost side...but the long-term benefits are worth it.

A little Fruedian slip....

I'd rather have somebody good as a mentor.

Slip my ass.

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no brokedicks...

round 1
round 3-5
Stanzi (I guess)

ROFL

ROFL

all things considered though

the Drew Stanton hate, that's fine, but if we hire a guy like Bruce Arians, then Stanton is the perfect fit, currently already backing up that system

this. cut stanzi because he sucks so bad hes never shown a duckfart worth of talent better than cassel quinn or orton in practice, draft another prospect in the later rounds. or would you rather we draft another shane bannon or junior hemingway?

Geno Smith in the 1st
Landry Jones in the 2nd
Keep Stanzi

Troy Smith. He would've been starting over Flacco if he didn't get tonsilitis and the raven defense had anything to say about it. He was at least as good as alex smith in the 3 games he started for San Francisco before they changed HC's and when everybody on SF looked like garbage.

The only concern is why didn't the dude get picked up anywhere this year. Still, guy with borderline starter talent. Couldn't hurt to have him as a backup.

Also, that he had that argument with Singletary... In fairness, singletary was actually the problem, it seems.

In this case the fighter is Pioli and Crennel and their jobs.

yeah at this point I dont want to see stanzi play. cut all 3 of our worthless qbs, wgich the next regime will do, draft 2 one named geno "big chocolatey balls" smith and grab a worthless veteran to play 3rd string bench warmer while geno leads us to multiple superbowls

ROFL.....that is one giant list of shit

Geno Smith
Matt Flynn
Alex Tanney (wtf not?)

You make make Auswitch sound like a reasonable solution...

Ricky "Inactive" Stanzi? Pfft.

I really could not care less about who the backup will be. Draft Geno and run him out there. If he gets hurt who cares who the backup i,s a 5th round draft pick on a QB is not going to take us to the playoffs. 1 in a million chance.

Use this pick on some depth. We need it in a lot of places. Don't waste it on a QB who will not make any difference. If Geno gets hurt we play out the balance of the year and pick high again the next year. After a couple of years reworking the roster and we are really ready to compete then a backup QB is important, but not now.

What are people really expecting out of our 3rd stringer? Some of you act like if our 3rd stringer isn't Johnny Amazing then our QBs are terrible.

You need an elite starter. Your backup can be either a developmental guy with some upside or a game manager veteran. Your 3rd stringer is whatever is leftover. If you invest in him, it's to hope that he one day takes over the primary backup spot.

That's what Ricky Stanzi is. He's an adequate 3rd stringer until the new coaching staff gets a look at him. If they think he has upside, he should stay. If he doesn't, then he gets cut.

Smith
Drew Stanton
Stanzi

FYP

They can't all live up to the dream...

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Can we pretty please keep Cassel at least through preseason? :evil:

Welcome back, Frankie.

Do you have an opinion on Geno Smith/Matt Barkley/Tyler Wilson?

I was gone?

I was very excited about Geno Smith earlier in the season. I still like him a lot but having watched him in a couple of games for some reason I can't shake this gut feeling that he might be another one of does all world college QBs who disappoint in the pros. I still would like him in a trade down, assuming we get the top pick.

USC for a school that plays closer to the pro game than most teams sure disappoints with its QBs. Seems like they should be a pro-QB factory, and they are not. Is Barkley another in the line of USC curse? That worries me. I like Smith better than him.

Wilson I liked from the start. I like his leadership probably even more than his talent. Because of the shitty team he plays for his draft stock will probably drop him to the top of the 2 when we can grab him, leaving the door open to the novel idea of grabbing the best stud player in the draft (Te'o?) with the top pick.

I have not watched Glennon but in highlights, but man, I love his pocket presence and wrist snap accurate delivery.

All of the above can change in the post season as we still don't have a lot to go by.

Thanks man. I live in a different neighborhood now, but I'll plan to drop by every once in a while.

Whoa! Frankie? How are you, Dude?

That avatar is bad ass, Man. Seriously.