Chiefs, Jaguars, Panthers, Raiders, Eagles vying for first overall pick
 

Chiefs, Jaguars, Panthers, Raiders, Eagles vying for first overall pick
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 3, 2012, 10:52 AM EST
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The Panthers are playing a lot of big games down the stretch. At least if you’re an NFL draft junkie.

While we spend most of our time in December dissecting the teams in the playoff hunt, we’ll also spend some of our time looking at the teams racing to the bottom of the standings, teams vying for the first overall pick in the 2013 draft. And that pick is almost certain to come down to the 2-10 Chiefs, the 2-10 Jaguars, the 3-9 Panthers, the 3-9 Raiders or the 3-9 Eagles.

The Panthers, in particular, have been a factor in the race for the first pick. By beating Philadelphia last week and then losing to Kansas City this week, Carolina tightened things up considerably in the Top 5 of the draft order (which is to say the Bottom 5 of the standings). The Panthers also have a game remaining against the Raiders, and the Raiders also have a game coming up against the Chiefs, so those are the biggest games to watch if you want to see how the top of the draft order will look in April.

In recent years, the first overall pick has almost always been a quarterback. The last four first picks were quarterbacks, and going back to Peyton Manning in 1998, 12 of the last 15 first overall picks have been quarterbacks. But that could change this year for a couple of reasons.

The first reason is that if Carolina ends up with the first pick, the Panthers would definitely not take a quarterback, with 2011 first overall pick Cam Newton already in place. Carolina could trade the first overall pick to a quarterback-needy team, but that leads to the other reason a quarterback probably won’t go first overall.

The other reason is that — even though the Chiefs, Jaguars, Raiders and Eagles all might consider drafting a quarterback — this year’s draft doesn’t appear to have a quarterback worthy of the first overall pick. The two quarterbacks most often mentioned as the best prospects for 2013, West Virginia’s Geno Smith and USC’s Matt Barkley, both saw their stock decline with inconsistent play down the stretch this season.

The players who are more often mentioned as potential first overall picks include Notre Dame inside linebacker Manti Te’o, Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones, Alabama guard Chance Warmack, Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei, Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore, Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel and LSU defensive end Barkevious Mingo. For fans in Kansas City, Jacksonville, Carolina, Oakland and Philadelphia, dreaming about one of those players in the home team’s colors can brighten up an otherwise dreary December.

Winning yesterday ****ed things up. Had we lost, it practically would've guaranteed us the #1 pick.

Boohoo Cheap fans... You thought you were just going to cruise into the #1 spot didn't you ?

Stupid win.

I still do. The Raiders will look to stomp the piss out of us like they always do. Your defensive line is the one thing all year that makes our offensive line look like utter shit.

Chance Warmack is mentioned as a possible candidate for the first overall pick?

lol wut

We can't stop anybody.... No way we win much less sweep you this year...

Chiefs have a better team by far with Quinn in there.

I just hope they make a wise choice and get a great player for the future not another big flop

Oakland beats Denver Thursday night.

When we lose to both the Chiefs and Carolina, it will be sealed for us.

This is how bad it is ...

I have NEVER worked on a night during the week the Raiders played on TV... NEVER..

This week I didn't even take the day off, I am going to work.

Is Richard Seymour injured?

If he's not, the Raiders will win.

There is no possible way and I am not saying that to get the pick... We can't stop a suck ass qb much less manning... we will lose by 3 tds...

He has been out 3 weeks.... He is done man...

Eff. This isn't good.

May never see Seymour again, I think he retires... He won't be in a Raiders uniform next year regardless...

So if the Raiders got the #1 overall pick who would you want to draft? Star?

I wasn't happy or sad yesterday after the win. Now I am becoming sad.....

No Idea man... Probably trade the #1 to a team that needs a qb and get that LB from ND.

You crack me up, Mr. R8ers. LMAO

I'm nervous, but not sad. I need to wait and see what happens in Cleveland.

For all I know, the win yesterday was just an emotion-filled scream of frustration by the team who was sick of being EVERYBODY'S doormat.

I expect the team to go back to their losing ways on the road against the Browns, who are playing much better as of late. If I'm right, I think everybody will back away from the edge and feel confident about a loss going into the Oakland game.

If I'm wrong, THEN I'll be sad.

Wont know which direction the Raiders are going till those 40 times come in

I don't think that's a smart idea, but that's just me.

Not worthy of the #1 pick. Love how people say things like this, as if he went top 5 there'd be a difference besides a couple million dollars. It is completely ridiculous how people give up on Geno Smith, even though he had amazing numbers, a subpar defense, and people generally reach for quarterbacks every single year, he's not worth the #1 pick. Just stupid imo.

We need alot on defense

Corners, Safety , MLB... is the main ones...

QB throwing for 350 .... Pussyfoot rb... Hell I dunno.... All I can say is we are going to see how good the eye for talent Reggie has.

It won't be 40 times... That's not our style anymore

We're losing to you, get over it.

Look... I really don't give a shit as long as it's a top 5 but I am telling you, the Chiefs will kill us now...

We are nowhere near as good as when we beat you earlier and that was not real good...

Look at how much Andrew Luck and Griffin have transformed their respective teams. Sure, Geno Smith might not be to their level as a prospect but he has elite potential and he could make this Chiefs team a great one for years.

I'll be extremely disappointed if we don't get the #1 overall pick.

Not getting Geno Smith = FAIL and I'm not sure I can take any more fail by this franchise.

Let the "Let's Get Vick and draft Teo" post commence :facepalm:

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This, this, and this.

I want Geno Smith, but I won't be livid if we end up with Wilson or Bray. No Barkley, thanks. I'm over noodle-armed USC quarterbacks named Matt who wear #7.

Geno or death.

Same here.

I want Smith.

But I want a QB more.

Make your funeral plans then.

The chances of us getting the #1 overall pick, getting rid of the conservative mentality in the FO, AND drafting a specific player are very small.

You're basically suggesting that you'll hold your breath until the planets align and you get showered with gold coins.

Brady Quinn will win us just enough games to cost us the pick. Then once we've lost out on that chance, he'll revert back to being Brady Quinn.

But Crennel is the real enemy in this deal. He willed us to that win just like last season's Packers game. And somehow he thinks it gives him a chance to coach next season so he's still trying...

A settler.

It's just a matter of lining up the series of likely possibilities.

Getting a new GM and coach: likely.

Getting the #1 overall pick: still in our favor, but not as much as it was before Sunday

Odds that the new GM and coaches look at the enormous ****ing gaping hole at QB: VERY likely

Odds they address that hole by getting Geno Smith: fairly likely

It's not as far-fetched as it may seem as long as things happen as they should.

A realist.

A rapist

After what the man went through on Saturday, you'd think some fans would have more class than this.

Preach on!

ROFL

Likely? Probably.

Yes, still likely.

Almost guaranteed, I would say. In fact, I think it's "likely" that the CURRENT regime sees the enormous hole at QB.

This is the clincher. I don't see this as at all "likely". Geno isn't even the consensus #1 QB, let alone the #1 pick, anywhere but here. Go take a look at the scouting websites...

Far-fetched? No, certainly not. It's not a fantasy. It's also not very probable.

midgets

Bullshit.

Look, do what you want. Get your hopes all up for Geno. I absolutely love him as a prospect and he's far and away my first choice for our pick.

But I'm a Chiefs fan, and have been for a few decades, I know how this works.

I'm not gonna invest ANYTHING emotionally in this because that ALWAYS ends in a letdown. ALWAYS.

What do you guys think the odds are that if we fail to capture the #1 pick that the draft tards like McShay and Kiper are right, and teams DON'T want one of these QBs?

I mean, if we fail here, we're going to be at the mercy of their prognostications to successfully find our QB. That's not very comforting, no, but is it still somewhat possible?

It's going to come down to who has the pick. The only non-QB I see in this draft who has a REMOTE chance of reaching appropriate value is Star Lotulelei. How many teams would be tempted to draft him? Carolina, certainly. Jacksonville and Oakland possibly. Philly and Cleveland probably not.

After that I see feces. **** Te'o in the top 5. Jarvis Jones? You kidding me? Talk about the top guys at their position who aren't of a #1 overall quality. That Alabama game is a damning case against Jones even going in the top 10, personally. I know some team will snatch him up regardless, but still.

Certainly there are a TON of variables.

There's no need to try and "preach" to me about it - I want a QB and more specifically, I want Geno Smith.

But I'm a Chiefs fan. Experience tells me I'm gonna get shit on in April.

A majority of the mock drafts have us taking him.

Don't I know the feeling...

Almost as many have us taking Barkley. And another quarter or so don't have either one going #1 overall.

The Raiders need defense and could get by with drafting a QB in the 2nd round.
Same with the Jags.

I'd be more worried about a team like the Jets or Cardinals trading up and getting a QB.

Sure. I chalk that up to the fact that draft season isn't really underway. These mock drafts will be a far better and more accurate reflection of reality starting at around late February.

By then at least they'll know who we have in charge, what they like to do, and what they want to implement. A WCO style of attacking is going to warrant Barkley, which I can deal with I suppose if that's the direction of this team. Of course, Geno would ALSO be perfect for that kind of offense, but I don't know if scouts and GMs will see it that way.

Or the Bills

Jesus, if we lost Geno to the Jets, I would really have to hurt someone.

Them as well.

There are going to be a lot of teams that need defense....and this draft seems to be pretty top heavy with defensive players. I'm hoping to God that if the Chiefs do slip to the 3-5 range.....that Geno slips with them.

He'll go to the Raiders. That's how things go for us.

I don't know. Losing him to the Raiders would probably hurt worse.

You know what would sting the most though, whether it's the Jets, Raiders, or Jags?

That we lost him to a team that has taken a 1st-round QB in the last 5 ****ing years yet we haven't taken one in THIRTY.

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Petro just brought up a very good point.

The Chiefs just played their PERFECT game. They did EVERYTHING they wanted to do - no turnovers, no stupid penalties, ran the ball well, efficient in the passing game...

And they beat the 3-win Panthers in a nailbiter.

They are who we thought they were.

Some can't even spell class with a computer in front of them.

Yeah.....and the Panthers defense is HORRIBLE.

You should probably step away from this team for a couple of years. :D

It seems to me that the only teams that would want a QB would be us, the Jags and the Raiders...

If Coach Winslow doesn't want to be attacked by the "classless and evil" fans then he has every right to resign and get the **** out of Kansas City.

Not yet. I'm gonna wait and see what they do and then make a solid and STEADFAST decision.

They either get rid of Pioli and draft a QB or a take a step away from this team PERMANENTLY.

At least that's where I'm at right now.

who wants to play in a raiders outfit?

this also means you have to leave cp if youre gonna leave the chiefs

There's plenty of Pats and Broncos fans posting here.

So you can **** off, True Fan.

Seconded

meh, I'm confident KC will find a way to **** it up even if they get the #1

I really haven't changed that much on the subject as it seems. I give them about a 10% chance of taking a 1st round QB.

It was fun again yesterday to see a QB actually do his job instead of acting like a scared bitch.

Did I get as excited as I used to with a win? Not even close, and some of that was due to the Belcher murder/suicide that I only found out about right before the game.

Losing him to the Raiders and keeping Peeholi/Crennel changes everything for me. I officially cut this team the **** loose.

Werner will go ahead of Jones at this point. He's been an absolute beast this season with a non-stop motor.

Lotulelei will go first if it's Carolina picking #1. It's as good a pick as they can possibly make and Starlite is as good a defensive tackle prospect as there is in a draft.

Jacksonville needs pass rushers in the worst way as their defensive ends have generated nothing in terms of production for the entire season. However, Gabbert is done there, so they'll also need a QB. Their interior defensive line isn't very good either. It's going to come down to whether or not they think an impact defensive player is higher rated or the QB. It will come down to Geno Smith, Starlite Lotulelei or Bjoern Werner if they are picking first. My personal feeling is that they go Werner and then take the QB in the second.

Oakland is in the same exact boat as Jacksonville other than they could possibly squeeze out a couple more years from Carson Palmer. They gave up a lot to get him, so I can see them going defense before a QB. Their interior line is horrible and so are their ends. They also need a ILB. I can see them going with Manti Te'o, or Lotulelei or Werner if they are picking first. Most likely Lotulelei.

Philadelphia is through with Vick. Foles is only a fourth rounder with no experience. Their offensive line isn't good either - particularly their tackles. If I was a betting man, they probably end up with Luke Joeckel if they pick first.

The Chiefs should go Geno Smith. They should have their franchise taken away from them if they don't. However, I could see a catastrophic idiocy take place and have them go with Manti Te'o, especially in the wake of the Belcher situation - and if Pioli is still calling the shots. He'll go after Alex Smith and draft Te'o. (Don't think it's possible? This is the guy that took a five tech defensive end third, a Conference USA nose tackle 11th and a safety fifth. That's ****ing nuts. And if Te'o wins the Heisman? Fergit about it.)

Petro must have been sitting directly behind me in section 131 yesterday, because I said the exact same thing to Phobia yesterday during Carolina's last "drive".

Belcher yourself

u guys are a bunch of pussies. Oh im gonna Seriously think about maybe leaving the chiefs if we draft manti or dont draft geno. good god u guys are babies. were the chiefs. were not the giants or the steelers. weve been perennially fucking everything up since 1969. why are you guys setting yourselves up for failure? even if we do draft geno erica mangini or kirk frenchfry will screw his development up and he'll be another akili smith. most everyone seems to be older than me here, arent you guys used to being laughed at being a chiefs fan? ive been a fan 25 years and I am. its one big joke. relax

There is a difference between ****ing up because we are idiots and sucking because the owner doesn't give a shit. If Pioli and/or Crennel is back then Clark doesn't really care about winning above everything. If that is the case, why should the fans stay invested?

step away permanently? you technically already have awhile ago by not going to games & not buying anything so clarks sisters can buy the new range rover coming out. u guys take this way too seriously. clark doesnt so why should we

what made you think clark truly ever cared?

I don't know one way or the other right now. Him removing Carl early in his "reign" as owner was good to see. His test is this off season.