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Hammock Parties 12-20-2012 08:02 PM

Mark Sanchez is as good as Eli Manning
 
Mark Sanchez vs. Eli Manning Through First 4 Seasons: Stats Matchup Shows Equals

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...up-show-equals

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Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez officially lost his starting job on Tuesday, when head coach Rex Ryan named Greg McElroy the starter for Sunday's game against the San Diego Chargers.

On the surface, Ryan's decision would appear to be a slam-dunk choice that was long overdue. Sanchez is coming off a four-interception effort that killed the Jets' season, in a must-win game against the Tennessee Titans on Monday night.

The Jets were eliminated from playoff contention in the 14-10 defeat to the Titans. Adding insult to injury, Sanchez also fumbled away a snap that ended the game deep in Titans territory.

Still, Sanchez needs to be starting for the Jets. Despite suffering through a subpar season, it is only his fourth and he is just 26 years old. When Sanchez is compared to New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning at the same age, they are near mirror images of each other statistically.

Taking a look at Sanchez and Manning through their first four seasons at age 26:

Sanchez: 1,832 passes, 1,011 complete, 55.2, 11,887 yards, 68 TD, 68 INT, 72.0 Rat

Manning: 1,805 passes, 987 complete, 54.7, 11,385 yards, 77 TD, 64 INT, 73.4 Rat


By the numbers, and considering how wildly successful Manning has become since, Ryan is making a gigantic, shortsighted mistake by benching his young franchise quarterback now.

Although Manning won a Super Bowl in his fourth NFL season, his level of quarterbacking is eerily similar to that of Sanchez at the same stage of their careers. LMAO LMAO LMAO

If the Jets surround Sanchez with better receivers, who is to say that his numbers will not keep pace with Manning's or even surpass them? Sanchez actually has the higher completion percentage, with more passing yardage, despite having a poor 2012 season.

In defense of Sanchez's 2012 numbers, he has been without his primary receiver Santonio Holmes for most of the season.

Given that Sanchez is owed $8.25 million in 2013, and the fact that he is maturing at the same rate statistically as Manning had, Ryan should reconsider his decision to change quarterbacks now.

Ryan must do right by the Jets and start Sanchez. His statistics, when compared to Manning's, indicate Sanchez can possibly follow the same road to a successful career if given the opportunity to continue growing as a quarterback.

By the four year statistical sampling: Ryan benching Sanchez would be like if the Giants had chosen to bench the young Manning after a slump.

With two meaningless games remaining on the Jets' schedule, Ryan needs to finish what he started with Sanchez.

That means staying the course with his franchise quarterback, not ripping one-eighth of the season, and valuable development time, away from him.

It may not be the popular choice—but it is the right choice.

KurtCobain 12-20-2012 08:07 PM

I've always said eli sucks. So yea.

cosmo20002 12-20-2012 08:22 PM

So, kinda sucking for 4 seasons means you will probably win a couple SBs.
Worst. Logic. Ever.

BigMeatballDave 12-20-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo (Post 9228437)
I've always said eli sucks. So yea.

QBs that win multiple SBs and consistently chuck it for 4000 yards do not suck.

Mr. Kotter 12-20-2012 08:24 PM

Screw Alex Smith....I want Sanchez!!! ;)

...But, hey, trade down 10-15 spots and still take Smith or Barkley for insurance. Just sayin'.

This, of course, AFTER Pioli and Romeo are jettisoned....

Ace Gunner 12-20-2012 08:45 PM

oh ya. bring sanchez here. isn't KC where every crap QB goes before he becomes a successful realtor? what a fit. loser.

BoneKrusher 12-20-2012 09:06 PM

But Eli knows how to drive a CLUTCH.

Bugeater 12-20-2012 09:08 PM

Why are you posting garbage from bleacherreport.com?

Hammock Parties 12-20-2012 09:09 PM

Because it's funny.

FlaChief58 12-20-2012 09:14 PM

ERMERGERD It's all so clear to me know. They're twins separated at birth. They're Identical in every way. Except for the SB rings and the fact that Eli is a good qb who knows what it takes to win championships, IDENTICAL :facepalm:

kcfanXIII 12-20-2012 09:15 PM

eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

ClevelandBronco 12-20-2012 09:18 PM

I forwarded this to Clark. He needs to know this kind of stuff, but I don't think he pays really close attention.

BigMeatballDave 12-20-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9228633)
eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

This isn't 10 yrs ago.

You can't just win with a great D.

He may be average during the regular season, but he is elite when it counts.

And that is all that matters.

KCrockaholic 12-20-2012 09:25 PM

What Eli does during the regular season is not what matters. When he gets to the playoffs and beyond he's a ****ing machine. He wins when it matters most. Has that magic about him. Sanchez couldn't find magic if it kicked him in his reeruned ass.

FlaChief58 12-20-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9228681)
What Eli does during the regular season is not what matters. When he gets to the playoffs and beyond he's a ****ing machine. He wins when it matters most. Has that magic about him. Sanchez couldn't find magic if it kicked him in his reeruned ass.

This. I'd take 10-6 every year if it meant a SB every couple of years

BoneKrusher 12-20-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9228633)
eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

the Niner defense knocked the Crap outta Eli in last years NFC Championship game and he kept getting up/fighting back and won the game, IMO thats a real Clutch QB.

HonestChieffan 12-20-2012 09:35 PM

Sanchez is a joke. Forget it.

Mile High Mania 12-20-2012 09:53 PM

There is absolutely no comparison of the two... if all you do is go by stats, you don't know what you're talking about. Look at Tony Romo's first 4 years as a starter...

15k yards / 107 TDs / 55 INTs combind mid 60's completion percentage and a rating in the low/mid 90s

How's that working out compared to Eli?

SAUTO 12-20-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9228633)
eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

I hope you are trying to be penz here
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Mother****erJones 12-20-2012 09:56 PM

I swear to ****ing god if KC gets Sanchez i'll shit! No way. Kid sucks beyond belief. Eli is clutch and can lead his team. He may not put up pretty numbers like Brady. But he's clutch and I'd take that

dmahurin 12-20-2012 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9228681)
What Eli does during the regular season is not what matters. When he gets to the playoffs and beyond he's a ****ing machine. He wins when it matters most. Has that magic about him. Sanchez couldn't find magic if it kicked him in his reeruned ass.

What about if his reeruned ass looked in other asses?

http://www.papermag.com/uploaded_ima...53640779-0.gif

Ace Gunner 12-20-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 9228606)
But Eli knows how to drive a CLUTCH.

http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2691163&t=o

Xanathol 12-20-2012 11:06 PM

The difference is in watching the games. Eli played well, showed promise, and improvement. Sanchez just flat out sucks and is a downward spiral of suck.

This thread reminds me of the concussed talking heads on ESPN. It amazes me how Dilfer and Young fluff Sanchez, make all the excuses in the world for him, and claim over & over how much he just 'needs help' and a 'real shot' with 'a coach dedicated to him'... but then just blast Tebow. Dilfer needs to recall he was the cog holding back his team during his SB run and Young needs to rewatch tape of his Tampa years till his stutter is gone, then both can STFU.

teedubya 12-20-2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9228647)
I forwarded this to Clark. He needs to know this kind of stuff, but I don't think he pays really close attention.

That's so dickish. :banghead::#

Bump 12-20-2012 11:31 PM

by this logic, we already have a future 2 time Superbowl MVP on the roster.

Rausch 12-20-2012 11:43 PM

Dumb, dumb thread...

Chiefspants 12-20-2012 11:51 PM

Yeah, the difference is that Sanchez will probably never really "want" to win.

FAX 12-21-2012 12:16 AM

I recognize that Eli Manning has talent. However, a reasonable person has to admit that, in addition to starting his career as the quarterback of a very good, overall team, he's been the beneficiary of a tremendous amount of good luck.

2012 might provide insight into the "real" Eli. 20 TDs and 15 INTs to go with his 84 rating.

Although I admit that I am a known critic of all things Manning, I think it's very possible that he's a high average quarterback on a very good, all-around team with good coaching.

I also think that even a quarterback who could consistently deliver in the high 80s or low 90s (as compared to Mark Coswell's 66 rating or Quinn's 64) would have a tremendous, positive effect on the Kansas City Chiefs.

FAX

Hootie 12-21-2012 12:36 AM

Hey Clay...

Remember our Eli conversation that 3rd year?! LMAO

pwnage

too bad they locked that thread

rabblerouser 12-21-2012 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9228422)
Mark Sanchez vs. Eli Manning Through First 4 Seasons: Stats Matchup Shows Equals

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...up-show-equals

the big difference is in how Eli completes the 4-7 passes at the end of the game for his team to WIN...as opposed to throwing an Int and fumbling on back-to-back snaps with your team down by 4 in the 4th.

Other than that, they're exactly the same.

GoChargers 12-21-2012 01:11 AM

Eli coasts in the regular season. Sanchez tries his hardest and still ends up running into his teammate's ass and fumbling.

FAX 12-21-2012 01:16 AM

I was just looking around and stuff and noticed that the world is still here.

FAX

Jiu Jitsu Jon 12-21-2012 01:26 AM

I doubt Sanchez wants to come to an AFC west team and get his nose broken TWICE a year by the Raiders.

I wonder if that hot dog tasted different with a broken nose.

chiefzilla1501 12-21-2012 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9228633)
eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

Give me a break. In the two years the Giants won the Super Bowl, in 8 games, Manning threw for 15 TDs and only threw one INT. In the 2011 run, he averaged about 300 yards per game and had about around a 100 QB rating or above in 3 of the 4 games.

And in each of those games, he made absolutely perfect throws deep into the 4th quarter on critical drives.

The fact that anyone would discredit Eli is mind numbing.

htismaqe 12-21-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9229043)
Give me a break. In the two years the Giants won the Super Bowl, in 8 games, Manning threw for 15 TDs and only threw one INT. In the 2011 run, he averaged about 300 yards per game and had about around a 100 QB rating or above in 3 of the 4 games.

And in each of those games, he made absolutely perfect throws deep into the 4th quarter on critical drives.

The fact that anyone would discredit Eli is mind numbing.

This.

Eli is the DEFINITION of "clutch".

Brock 12-21-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9228633)
eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

:doh!: I swear this team has some of the dumbest fans.

WhiteWhale 12-21-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9228933)
I recognize that Eli Manning has talent. However, a reasonable person has to admit that, in addition to starting his career as the quarterback of a very good, overall team, he's been the beneficiary of a tremendous amount of good luck.

2012 might provide insight into the "real" Eli. 20 TDs and 15 INTs to go with his 84 rating.

Although I admit that I am a known critic of all things Manning, I think it's very possible that he's a high average quarterback on a very good, all-around team with good coaching.

I also think that even a quarterback who could consistently deliver in the high 80s or low 90s (as compared to Mark Coswell's 66 rating or Quinn's 64) would have a tremendous, positive effect on the Kansas City Chiefs.

FAX

Worth mentioning...

When Eli took over in NY they had the worst OL in the NFL by a large margin. It was the cheapest OL in the NFL, and the worst protecting the QB. Warner was also sub-par behind that joke of a group.

In the end it's helped him. I don't think Eli has ever played behind a GOOD offensive line like his brother, or Brady, or most other QB's. They've been average or worse his entire career. More often they were the latter.

Now I'm not saying OL quality determines anything in today's NFL, but it effects a QB's performance when he has to throw or get sacked after 2 seconds.

The situation Sanchez was in his first two seasons was a young QB's wet dream, while Manning played in a young QB's nightmare.

lcarus 12-21-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9228633)
eli is average, his super bowls are a direct result of a great defense. getting hot at the right time also helps a lot too.

He's pretty damn good in the clutch moments too. That makes him above average.

Dave Lane 12-21-2012 10:40 AM

So this is the best marketing plan Rex can come up with? I mean come on its New York theres got to be some better ad men than this weak attempt

Ace Gunner 12-21-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9229351)
Worth mentioning...

When Eli took over in NY they had the worst OL in the NFL by a large margin. It was the cheapest OL in the NFL, and the worst protecting the QB. Warner was also sub-par behind that joke of a group.

In the end it's helped him. I don't think Eli has ever played behind a GOOD offensive line like his brother, or Brady, or most other QB's. They've been average or worse his entire career. More often they were the latter.

Now I'm not saying OL quality determines anything in today's NFL, but it effects a QB's performance when he has to throw or get sacked after 2 seconds.

The situation Sanchez was in his first two seasons was a young QB's wet dream, while Manning played in a young QB's nightmare.

agreed, though that 2008 OL was decent.

Mr. Laz 12-31-2012 01:34 PM

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