Hypothetical: Pioli and Crennel are gone. You get your choice for new Head Coach, and
he doesn't draft a QB until the mid to late rounds. He's acquired a retread to start off with. Are you satisfied?
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No.
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NO, enough with the retreads.
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**** no.
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You can do better than this Floppy
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I want a first round QB, first and foremost.
I have been wanting this since about 1986, and was all in for Quinn in 2007. Who they hire for a HC doesn't really matter to me if they don't go QB in the first. |
No QB worth a top 5 pick so I say fine.
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Clark has his work cut out for him. We'll see how well he does... |
I give everyone a chance to prove themselves.
If he doesn't want to take a QB high this year that's his prerogative. He's the professional, not me. In three years if it's the wrong decision and he refuses to fix it, I'll start updating a weekly document about how much HE ****ing sucks, too. |
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That said, I think Clark is going to make it clear he wants a QB out of this draft at the top of the board. |
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Considering what we pay for tickets, parking, etc; asking for some competence in the front office isn't greedy, and hell, I'd even make the argument that we aren't asking for that much... any owner with a pulse should clean house and tell the new GM they're drafting a QB. It's common sense. |
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Why would anyone be happy? I can't any way anyone would be happy with that.
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In with NO!
Fortunatly I believe the new GM & HC will be smart enough to know our QBs are all shit & if they want to win they need to start by drafting one with our first pick. |
I don't think this is a hypothetical
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I know we all want a 1st round QB but there's going to be a chance, however slight, that the guy we hire is a ****ing genius and will know another way to get a stud QB.
So if the guy trades a 2nd for the next Brett Favre, or signs the next Len Dawson from free agency, or drafts the next Tom Brady in the 6th, or takes the next Drew Brees or Ken Stabler or Joe Montana in the 2nd or 3rd, or the next Unitas or Theismann in the 4th, and so on and so on...be patient. We're all drunk on the idea of a first round QB, but we have to accept the fact that MAYBE, just MAYBE, we'll get lucky some other way. Shit happens. |
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ACCEPT THE FACT THAT ONE DAY A CHIEFS GM SMARTER THAN CHIEFSPLANET MAY EXIST! |
My Choices Are:
I really would like to see Bill Kuharich back in KC as GM,very talented player evaluator and has KC ties.
MY choice for head coach is:Dirk Koetter-present OC for Falcons,whom according to ESPN almost got the Denver job instead of Fox. |
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Shit does happen, but odds say it won't. |
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Like Clay said, I don't care WHERE they get a franchise QB, just that they get one.
However, I do believe that the first round is the best place to get one, er go, draft one early. |
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But I'm willing to let any GM we hire have enough rope to hang himself. |
In the end, it PROBABLY doesn't matter, because I have a gut feeling Clark is going to demand a first round QB be taken.
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as long as we try as hard to get the qb situation fixed as Pete in Seattle has, I'm good.
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I gave Pioli the benefit of the doubt, and we know how that turned out. |
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I don't care if/how/when you get one, just show that you realize how important the position is and how imperative it is that you get one. |
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If those other NFL teams could find stud QBs outside the first round, it could happen to us. I mean, shit, Trent Green wasn't a first round pick and he would have won a SB here most likely if we had been decent on defense. He played a perfect playoff game in which two TD passes were dropped, a third was called back due to a BS penalty, and the kicker shanked a gimme. And Priest fumbled. He was good enough to beat Peyton that day. So, ya know. |
Flop, I love you, but this is a pretty stupid question.
The answer is no. |
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Pioli is gone, RAC is gone, new GM, and a good looking HC, and whatever they decide, I'm good with. Because I'm reasonable. |
AND HE BETTER SIGN X,Y, AAAAAAND Z FREE AGENTS!
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All that said, I still want Chocolate Pain...
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-Fire Pioli and Crennel
-Draft a QB at #1 overall It's not ****ing hard. |
Here's another question for you guys.
Say we get a 3rd round pick for Carr. Would you turn and flip that and a 5 rounder to the Eagles for Maclin? |
drafting a qb is more important than a coach or a gm...
changing everything only to do the exact same stupid shit we've done for decades defies all ****ing logic i am done with the chiefs if we don't draft a QB |
This thread is a retread.
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This should demonstrate how I would feel about the proposed situation. |
Flopnuts, a smart GM has to realize what he's dealing with in KC.
He's dealing with a divided, hurt, and alienated fan base. The feel like nobody listens to them- not the ownership, not the players, not the NFL... nobody. He's dealing with a franchise that hasn't proved to the fans that they're willing to roll the dice and try to win since 1983. Chance after chance after chance has been passed over because Kansas City has brought in GM after GM after GM who thinks they're smarter than everybody else. I don't care if the Chiefs actually do hire a guy who IS smarter than everybody else. It's not the time to swing your dick around like that. If he so desperately wants veteran QB X, then go ****ing get him. But also draft a goddamn franchise QB FFS. It's time. There are no more excuses. None. You can go ahead and accept their excuses and lies. I've had e****ingnough. |
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but the QB is the most important thing...he will be here after those frauds are finally fired if we don't draft a QB, we aren't serious about winning...my tolerance for this lack of seriousness is gone (after decades)... |
2013: 30 years since the Chiefs last seriously tried to address the QB position in a meaningful way.
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I don't disagree with you at all. It is time. But if a GM comes in and assesses the situation and thinks he can do better another way, I'll give him a little time to get it done. A little... P.S - I still want Chocolate Pain. The point is, I'm not a pro. And none of you guys are either. At least not yet. |
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We're not asking for a laundry list 20,000 items long. We're asking for TWO things. Two. Count'em. Two. Fire Pioli. Draft a QB at #1. That's it. |
So hire whoever the **** you want to do whatever the **** you want, just fire Pioli and draft a QB? Bullshit.
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Tomorrow Ray Farmer is announced as your new GM, and his first course of action is to hire Brian Schottenheimer to come in and be the head coach of the Chiefs. You're good? No way...
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I want geno pretty bad, but I would be temporarily satisfied with a new gm and head coach of my choice.
My only stipulation is that cassel is cut from the team, he will forever be terrible. I'm with clay on this one. |
Quarterback is a deal-breaker, in terms of turning things around. If they don't find a franchise player behind center, they're not going to go anywhere, not in today's NFL. And let's be serious here, has any team valued the position less than Kansas City? Aside from Trent Green for a 1st (and people will debate his value; I think he was more than capable of winning a championship), they haven't made any real effort to reliably shore up the position in the last two decades. We have a long string of other teams' backups, journeymen players, and other bargain basement options.
A retread only works if it's someone along the lines of Drew Brees (or again, Green, although people will still debate his value to this day). And, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen very often. It's an aberration, not something you can count on, not a reliable way of doing business. The only way you're going to pick up a starter from another team is either a) when he's on the downside of his career (like Manning), or b) when a team has two starting caliber QBs and they can't keep them both (who's had that since SD in '06?). Aside from that, NFL teams simply do not let quality quarterbacks go. And that's why, when you're in a position to do it, you absolutely MUST draft one. Which is why, if they're sitting there with the 1st pick in april, and they don't draft a quarterback, then I'm just not going to believe there's any conceivable way that this franchise is going to turn itself around. And as far as the head coach goes, he's far less important in my mind than whoever they get behind center. Which is not to say he's not very important, but this franchise will continue to swirl around the bowl if they keep running out the kind of quarterbacks that are available in free agency or for 2nd round picks. This year is their opportunity, and they'd better not waste it. You don't get to pick #1 (or #2, if that's where they fall) very often. Assuming they lose out (which they may not; this franchise loves to shoot itself in the foot) they aren't going to have to move to get it done, so there won't be any real excuses like when Ryan or Stafford went a few picks earlier. |
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If new GM really wants Matt Flynn, then he can go get Matt Flynn. In the meantime, that #1 pick is still sitting there with subpar DEs and LTs waiting to get drafted there. We also have a franchise LT and WR1 who need new contracts. There's only one solution for that pick. |
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Are they going to draft Geno? If yes, that fulfills item #2. So I would give that tandem a chance. |
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obviously we all want a great coach and gm to be hired but the bottom line is simple....you have to draft a QB with the #1 pick end of story any other answer is pussy bullshit, a cop out, the same loser nonsense we lived with for decades the amount of energy chiefs fans spend trying to justify not drafting a QB is frankly amazing...and depressing |
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So yeah, you need both. But if I could have Tom Brady, I'd keep Pioli. But thats the reason we are having this conversation. It's not because I don't think the GM isn't as important as the QB, it's that you have to have a GM that realizes HE isn't the most important thing and he has to GET the most important thing. |
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And that's really my fear. We don't hire the right guys, we draft a QB, he busts, and we **** it off for 30 more years because we may get another Todd Blackledge. |
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Don't be like Pioli. Draft the QB or get AIDS |
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It's a difficult discussion, because on one hand I think there's actually too much being put on QB shoulders, pro and con - there are 10 other players on the field for the offense at any one time, but on the other, you just can't win without one. Not anymore. Well, I mean, you can technically win, but which position do you want to be in: one of the 5 or 6 teams with an actual franchise-caliber QB, who are always in the playoff picture, regardless of who else is on the field; or, one of the other 26 or 27 teams who bounces around between 6-10 and 10-6, and might have a shot at being the one team without a franchise QB to win a superbowl every 8 or 10 years. And obviously, there's no guarantee that the player you draft will actually be a franchise quarterback. But I'll tell you this much: I guaran-damn-tee that offensive tackle or defensive end or corner isn't going to be a franchise QB either. Meaning you aren't going to get one if you don't try. And there just isn't a more valuable thing to try and get. |
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Great GMs and coaches come from ****ed up situations all the time. Great QBs usually do not. |
Straight to my shit list, booing him on opening day.
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I always thought David Carr was a guy who got ****ed by circumstance. It's one thing to be Roethlisberger or Rodgers getting sacked 2000 times in your 4th or 5th season; it's another to get sacked 2000 times as a rookie. Then again, people who watched the texans a lot will tell you he straight up sucked. So maybe that was it. As far as alex smith goes, I don't think I was ever a believer there. He had WCO qb written all over him right from the start. |
This is really a thread fail. I've been on drafting a QB literally as long as anyone. I just know that we're going to need EVERYTHING, literally everything to line up for us. I guess we have most of it lined up. We just need Clark to make the right moves, and get the right guys in here to make it happen.
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Thats why you pair Geno with Cowher and roll on............................Ha
(I'm sure this will get a rise, fire away) |
Sweet JFC NO.
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Unfortunately we've seen what the wrong GM, the wrong coach(es) and of course the wrong QBs get you. And I'm not just talking about Pioli and Haley/Crennel and Cassel when I say that. |
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obviously we need a competent gm and coach but it is more important to get the QB right...one, because they're the rarest commodity...you can hire and fire coaches and gms every year if you want to....but you can only draft the qbs that are available that year and only if you're in a draft position to do so and two, because they're simply more important...we can all list coaches and gms that we think only won titles because of the QB...the reverse is basically unheard of |
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