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Buck 12-30-2012 06:48 PM

2012 NFL MVP
 
Poll Forthcoming

jd1020 12-30-2012 06:49 PM

Peyton Manning.

007 12-30-2012 06:49 PM

It should be AP but it will be Manning.

loochy 12-30-2012 06:49 PM

I want AP, but I'm sure I'll get PM

lewdog 12-30-2012 06:52 PM

CO MVPs. Poll fails.

Hoover 12-30-2012 06:52 PM

AP hands down.

Manning had a great year, but AP had a special year. I don't even think its close now that AP took his Vikings back to the playoffs.

Buck 12-30-2012 06:52 PM

To be fair, the Vikes would be horse shit w/out Peterson. Denver made the playoffs last year with Tim Tebow.

Jerm 12-30-2012 06:52 PM

AP for sure...

Codered 12-30-2012 06:53 PM

Manning will get MVP.

Peterson will get OPY.

cdcox 12-30-2012 06:54 PM

Super Bowl contender >>>>>>>>>>> barely made playoffs

Manning

Reaper16 12-30-2012 06:55 PM

Manning. I would have given serious consideration to JJ Watt, but his team faded down the stretch.

Dr. Johnny Fever 12-30-2012 06:56 PM

I really think a co-MVP is in order this year. If a gun were held to my head I'd probably go with Peterson.

ThaVirus 12-30-2012 06:57 PM

It should go to Peterson. He had a historic season for a RB and did so within a year of completely shredding the ligaments in his knee. He damn near single-handedly carried his team to the playoffs and effectively sealed their victory with his final carry of the season.

Manning has had a great season, but as someone mentioned, the Broncos went to the playoffs last season without him.

**** Manning and QBs always winning MVP. Give it to AP!

Bump 12-30-2012 06:57 PM

It really should be AD (his nickname is All Day god damnit)

But it will be Manning, not that he isn't worthy.

ArrowheadMagic 12-30-2012 06:57 PM

mvp AD..... comeback player... Manning

OnTheWarpath15 12-30-2012 06:58 PM

Peterson, and it really shouldn't be close.

Peterson IS the Vikings. Without him, they are hot garbage.

Without Manning, Denver won the division and a playoff game.

cdcox 12-30-2012 06:59 PM

Most Valuable Player

Hint: it's not a RB

Has this fan base still not learned this lesson?

Buck 12-30-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254891)
Most Valuable Player

Hint: it's not a RB

Has this fan base still not learned this lesson?

Who is the most valuable player on the Vikings?

Psyko Tek 12-30-2012 07:00 PM

Andrew mother ****ing Luck


he took a nto that good team from last to playoffs
the game against the chiefs
we should have won and the chiefs suck ass
MVP
ROOKIE
yup

KCBOSS1 12-30-2012 07:01 PM

Both deserve MVP, Both deserve Come Back...

KCBOSS1 12-30-2012 07:01 PM

One will get one, the other the other

mnchiefsguy 12-30-2012 07:01 PM

AP is the MVP

PM is the comeback player of the year.

OnTheWarpath15 12-30-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254891)
Most Valuable Player

Hint: it's not a RB

Has this fan base still not learned this lesson?

Peterson is more valuable to his team than Manning is to his.

You could grab 10-12 QBs, put them on Denver's roster, and they'd likely be sitting in a similar position.

Take Peterson off the Vikings, they are a 4 win team at best.

cdcox 12-30-2012 07:01 PM

If you put AP on the Chiefs or PM on the Chiefs, which would give a better outcome?

ArrowheadMagic 12-30-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254903)
If you put AP on the Chiefs or PM on the Chiefs, which would give a better outcome?

Is Minnesota in the playoffs without AD?

Buck 12-30-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254903)
If you put AP on the Chiefs or PM on the Chiefs, which would give a better outcome?

Every team has it's current strengths and weaknesses.

Put AP on the Broncos and you have the best backfield of all time.

OnTheWarpath15 12-30-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254903)
If you put AP on the Chiefs or PM on the Chiefs, which would give a better outcome?

Not sure what the Chiefs have to do with it.

ArrowheadMagic 12-30-2012 07:06 PM

Denver made the playoffs with Tebow? did they make it this year?

cdcox 12-30-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9254902)
Peterson is more valuable to his team than Manning is to his.

You could grab 10-12 QBs, put them on Denver's roster, and they'd likely be sitting in a similar position.

Take Peterson off the Vikings, they are a 4 win team at best.

At this moment the broncos have about a 10x greater chance of winning the SB than the Vikes. So take what ever value you think each player added and then multiply PM by 10.

cdcox 12-30-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 9254917)
Is Minnesota in the playoffs without AD?

No. Making the playoffs pfff.

Contending for the SB is a big deal.

cdcox 12-30-2012 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9254926)
Not sure what the Chiefs have to do with it.

Substitute the 10 teams at the top of the draft. PM does more for them than AP.

Garcia Bronco 12-30-2012 07:09 PM

Who is the DPOY? Miller or Smith?

ArrowheadMagic 12-30-2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254934)
No. Making the playoffs pfff.

Contending for the SB is a big deal.

no doubting a QB is more valuable. But Manning took a team back to the playoffs.. AD led a team to the playoffs.

milkman 12-30-2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254891)
Most Valuable Player

Hint: it's not a RB

Has this fan base still not learned this lesson?

QB is, far and away, the most valuable position in team sports.

The MVP is about the guy that did more to make his team competitive in the regular season.

No one did more for his team that AP did for the Vikings.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:10 PM

AP. If the Vikes hadn't gotten the playoff spot, I probably would have voted for Manning.

AussieChiefsFan 12-30-2012 07:10 PM

Peyton manning. AP for comeback player.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9254951)
Peyton manning. AP for comeback player.

AP shouldn't even be considered for Comeback POY. He hardly missed any time at all. Where's the comeback?

Pasta Little Brioni 12-30-2012 07:13 PM

Tom Brady

milkman 12-30-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9254940)
Substitute the 10 teams at the top of the draft. PM does more for them than AP.

It doesn't matter.

Of course PM does more for every team, but AP did more for his team this year.

That is the bottom line.

This is not an award for post season.

This is based on the value to your team in the regular season.

The Broncos get the playoffs in a bad division, almost regardless of who the QB is.

The Vikings don't get there in a tough division without AP.

tk13 12-30-2012 07:15 PM

Tough call. I think an equally legitimate question could be how many other QB's would've led that Denver team to the playoffs. And then, how many RB's could've done what AP just did. I don't think there's a single RB. He pretty much willed that team to the playoffs. I do think it was probably the most outstanding performance, but he probably won't win MVP.

ThaVirus 12-30-2012 07:16 PM

If you went by cdcox's logic, MVP ballots every season would include Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and maybe a Roethlisberger or RGIII here and there..

I think you have to take the team's success that (REGULAR) season and decide the guy that contributed most to the team's success.

cdcox 12-30-2012 07:17 PM

Look at the change in Generic Win Percentage (an estimate of a teams winning percentage against an average NFL team during the regular season).

Denver 2011->2012: 0.36 -> 0.72

Minnesota 2011->2012: 0.30 -> 0.44

reference: advancednflstats.com

AussieChiefsFan 12-30-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9254963)
AP shouldn't even be considered for Comeback POY. He hardly missed any time at all. Where's the comeback?

He's come back from 2 torn knee ligaments. And rushed for over 200 yards and within 9 of the all-time season record.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-30-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9254991)
He's come back from 2 torn knee ligaments. And rushed for over 200 yards and within 9 of the all-time season record.

There is no reasoning with Donco homers.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9254991)
He's come back from 2 torn knee ligaments. And rushed for over 200 yards and within 9 of the all-time season record.

Healer of the Year, maybe. There was no comeback. He wasn't missing.

AussieChiefsFan 12-30-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9254997)
Healer of the Year, maybe. There was no comeback. He wasn't missing.

:facepalm:

Buck 12-30-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9254997)
Healer of the Year, maybe. There was no comeback. He wasn't missing.

Hey bro, players who have not even been injured and just sucked dick and then had a good season have won Comeback Player of the Year.

tredadda 12-30-2012 07:22 PM

AP should win it. Denver was a playoff team last year with Tebow at QB. Manning came in and made a good team better. Minnesota is in the playoffs because of Peterson. They have very few offensive options outside of him and teams know this. In spite of this he still fell nine yards short of the all time rushing record after tearing ligaments in his knees and led his team to the playoffs in the tough NFC north.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9255001)
Hey bro, players who have not even been injured and just sucked dick and then had a good season have won Comeback Player of the Year.

He sucked dick in 2011? 970 yards, 4.7 average, 12 touchdowns. That's not sucking dick, so that can't be the reason to consider him. It must be the injury. One problem, though: Showing up next season after going on IR on Dec. 26 does not constitute a comeback.

Buck 12-30-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9255019)
He sucked dick in 2011? 970 yards, 4.7 average, 12 touchdowns. That's not sucking dick, so that can't be the reason to consider him. It must be the injury. One problem, though: Showing up next season after going on IR on Dec. 26 does not constitute a comeback.

Yes it does. You're ****ing reeruned if you're not trolling.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9254993)
There is no reasoning with Donco homers.

You dumb ****, I think he's the MVP.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9255030)
Yes it does. You're ****ing reeruned if you're not trolling.

Who the **** are you again?

Oh, right. The guy from San Diego. I understand.

jd1020 12-30-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9255010)
AP should win it. Denver was a playoff team last year with Tebow at QB. Manning came in and made a good team better. Minnesota is in the playoffs because of Peterson. They have very few offensive options outside of him and teams know this. In spite of this he still fell nine yards short of the all time rushing record after tearing ligaments in his knees and led his team to the playoffs in the tough NFC north.

ROFL

The whole entire AFCW was dogshit last year.

Broncos went because someone had to go to the playoffs.

Manning took a shit team to the #1 seed in the AFC.

Unsmooth-Moment 12-30-2012 07:28 PM

Adrian Peterson

lewdog 12-30-2012 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9254997)
Healer of the Year, maybe. There was no comeback. He wasn't missing.

You are a ****ing tard. It is for players coming back from devastating injuries in the prior year. That is the comeback you sad sack of shit.

MahiMike 12-30-2012 07:29 PM

Russell Wilson.

cdcox 12-30-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9255055)
ROFL

The whole entire AFCW was dogshit last year.

Broncos went because someone had to go to the playoffs.

Manning took a shit team to the #1 seed in the AFC.

This.

ClevelandBronco 12-30-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9255059)
You are a ****ing tard. It is for players coming back from devastating injuries in the prior year. That is the comeback you sad sack of shit.

Tell you what: I'll let you guys continue the discussion based on your fantasy that his injury was devastating despite the fact that it clearly wasn't.

AussieChiefsFan 12-30-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9255019)
He sucked dick in 2011? 970 yards, 4.7 average, 12 touchdowns. That's not sucking dick, so that can't be the reason to consider him. It must be the injury. One problem, though: Showing up next season after going on IR on Dec. 26 does not constitute a comeback.

:facepalm:

Pasta Little Brioni 12-30-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9255055)
ROFL

The whole entire AFCW was dogshit last year.

Broncos went because someone had to go to the playoffs.

Manning took a shit team to the #1 seed in the AFC.

I'm more inclined to agree with this.

lewdog 12-30-2012 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 9255080)
Tell you what: I'll let you guys continue the discussion based on your fantasy that his injury was devastating despite the fact that it clearly wasn't.

You are right, they made up that he had a torn ACL. Or even if they didn't, you are again right because ACL injuries are not serious for an NFL players career.

:facepalm:

milkman 12-30-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9255096)
You are right, they made up that he had a torn ACL. Or even if they didn't, you are again right because ACL injuries are not serious for an NFL players career.

:facepalm:

He's right, though.

AP missed part of tha last game of the season last year, a season in which he put up credible numbers.

By strict definition, AP is not coming back, because he didn't miss any time.

He will, however, be considered for the award simply by virtue of the fact that an ACL is considered a devastating injury that he returned to play from far quicker than anyone has before.

I actually fully expect PM to win MVP, while they throw AP the Comeback award as a consolation.

tredadda 12-30-2012 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9255055)
ROFL

The whole entire AFCW was dogshit last year.

Broncos went because someone had to go to the playoffs.

Manning took a shit team to the #1 seed in the AFC.

They still had a good defense, and the majority of the offensive players they have this year. He took a good talented team and made them better. Who does Minnesota have for talent? They are not nearly as talented as Denver and yet they still made the playoffs in the difficult NFC North. Peterson was the biggest reason for that which is why he deserves MVP.

BlackHelicopters 12-30-2012 07:55 PM

Bad poll. Should be DMC.

Dayze 12-30-2012 07:57 PM

Peterson.

but it'll be manning.

okcchief 12-30-2012 08:31 PM

Peterson

BTW it's AD. I wish half of these media reeruns could get it right.

The nickname is AD ALL DAY. I'm not sure why people are suddenly morphing it in to AP.

KurtCobain 12-30-2012 08:32 PM

All Day long.

AussieChiefsFan 12-30-2012 08:34 PM

Charles has had a great comeback year. Shane he's being shadowed by ap and manning

#1 Bronco's Fan 12-30-2012 08:36 PM

I voted the for the best tackler.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...99/peytond.gif

Spott 12-31-2012 07:42 AM

Flip a coin. Both have been great this year and key to their teams success. Manning joined a better team so if I had to choose one that was more key to the teams success, it would be AP by a hair.


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