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Fat Elvis 01-02-2013 10:58 PM

Will Vick follow Reid as a backup QB?
 
The Eagles aren't going to keep him with his current contract. He's better than either Cassell or Quinn, and he would prolly come cheap.

I don't want him for a long term solution as a backup, but he beats anything we have on the squad. He said he used to have dreams about playing for the Chiefs while he was in Leavenworth....

TLO 01-02-2013 10:59 PM

Hell no.

Cannibal 01-02-2013 10:59 PM

I don't want him. He's washed up.

Ace Gunner 01-02-2013 11:00 PM

Ya, that's a good bet considering the roster.

RedDread 01-02-2013 11:01 PM

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Deberg_1990 01-02-2013 11:02 PM

Id be fine with him as a backup.

Bugeater 01-02-2013 11:03 PM

meh

BIG_DADDY 01-02-2013 11:04 PM

Yea I remember when we could get him for a buck fitty and 99% of this BB said no. Don't expect any different now.

Quesadilla Joe 01-02-2013 11:04 PM

"We will let them compete and the best man will win, whether it be Kevin Kolb or Mike Vick, the best man will win" coach Andy Reid said after the Chiefs first OTA practice of the 2013 season.

Deberg_1990 01-02-2013 11:05 PM

Starter: #1 draft pick

backup: Vick

3rd string/developmental: 3rd to 5th round pick.

Simplicity 01-02-2013 11:05 PM

Backup? Heck yeah I'll take that! Geno and Vick would be insane. Vick could teach and help Geno.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 11:06 PM

Take him as a backup in a second.

Bump 01-02-2013 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 9272057)
Backup? Heck yeah I'll take that! Geno and Vick would be insane. Vick could teach and help Geno.

except after Geno's first INT people will be screaming for Vick

TLO 01-02-2013 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 9272057)
Backup? Heck yeah I'll take that! Geno and Vick would be insane. Vick could teach and help Geno.

Maybe on Madden.

ChiefAshhole20 01-02-2013 11:07 PM

This is the same coach that sat Vick for a rookie. Why would he want to come into the exact same situation?

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 11:08 PM

I'd hope not

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9272074)
I'd hope not

You'd have whom as a backup?

LiveSteam 01-02-2013 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9272041)
meh

I could hunt dogs with him.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 9272057)
Backup? Heck yeah I'll take that! Geno and Vick would be insane. Vick could teach and help Geno.

Why?

Because they're both black?

Racist!



:)

cosmo20002 01-02-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9272064)
except after Geno's first INT people will be screaming for Vick

After the first interception--

Geno SmINTh

/CP

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9272078)
You'd have whom as a backup?

Draftee.

Worked out for Washington.

Bewbies 01-02-2013 11:13 PM

Vick is the reason Reid is unemployed. He won't be following him....

KCrockaholic 01-02-2013 11:13 PM

I don't want Vick teaching my quarterback anything dammit.

Simplicity 01-02-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9272081)
Why?

Because they're both black?

Racist!



:)

Yeah (:

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9272086)
Draftee.

Worked out for Washington.

We need to throw numbers at the QB position with legit options, but I don't think that will be in the form of two rookies.

One vet and one n00b in one of the first two rounds is my bet.

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 11:14 PM

These are things that scare me. I want Reid. But I'm tired of coaches and GMs bringing their buddies along with them.

If Reid comes to Kansas City, apart from Morninweig, I want to start fresh. No to Vick.

BIG_DADDY 01-02-2013 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9272087)
Vick is the reason Reid is unemployed. He won't be following him....

LMAO, some of you guys are so ****ing weird.

MGRS13 01-02-2013 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9272089)
I don't want Vick teaching my quarterback anything dammit.

This!

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9272096)
LMAO, some of you guys are so ****ing weird.

Vick was a turnover machine this season.

Rasputin 01-02-2013 11:30 PM

J. E. T. S

J. E. T. S

J. E. T. S

-King- 01-02-2013 11:40 PM

He would be one of the league's best backups. Hell yeah.

And since Reid already hinted at using the 1st pick on a QB...why would you be against having Vick as a backup?

AussieChiefsFan 01-02-2013 11:41 PM

nyeh

hometeam 01-02-2013 11:41 PM

I don't want him as backup for the fact that a bunch of maniacs will be calling for him constantly, and it might happen. yuk.

Exoter175 01-02-2013 11:43 PM

I wouldn't mind picking up Vick because he's a vet who COULD start and play from day 1 if Geno isn't ready.

However, that isn't me saying I want us to go out there and sign him. I'm just not going to cry in my cocoa puffs if he ends up on the roster. Any QB out there that's actually won a few games and had a few legitimately good seasons in the past, is welcome on my roster here with Geno/Wilson/Bray. As long as they know their job isn't to come and start, its to keep the seat warm for when my rookie is ready to play, if he's not out of the box ready.

KChiefer 01-03-2013 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9272008)
The Eagles aren't going to keep him with his current contract. He's better than either Cassell or Quinn, and he would prolly come cheap.

I don't want him for a long term solution as a backup, but he beats anything we have on the squad. He said he used to have dreams about playing for the Chiefs while he was in Leavenworth....

His cellie must of been giving him the 2AM biznass that night.

cabinet247 01-03-2013 01:03 AM

give me vick over the punks we been trotting out all day everyday...........f.ckers who say otherwise should stick to cheerleading

The_Doctor10 01-03-2013 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20 (Post 9272070)
This is the same coach that sat Vick for a rookie. Why would he want to come into the exact same situation?

This was the most important post of the thread and everybody ****ing ignored it.

KC_Connection 01-03-2013 05:33 AM

Vick is only going to go to a place that he has an actual chance to start. Don't see him accepting a backup role in a place like KC unless he can compete for the starting job. I also don't see him following Reid after this terrible season in Philly either.

Gravedigger 01-03-2013 05:35 AM

Theres a chance, personally I don't want him here and I would like another vet who could groom our young QB better than what I think Vick could.

KC_Connection 01-03-2013 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9272087)
Vick is the reason Reid is unemployed. He won't be following him....

A mediocre QB isn't the reason Reid is unemployed. It was the complete shitshow all around him.

AussieChiefsFan 01-03-2013 05:37 AM

Alex Smith wouldnet be the worst backup. But People would be calling for him to start if Geno/whoever has one bad game.

Exoter175 01-03-2013 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9272685)
Alex Smith wouldnet be the worst backup. But People would be calling for him to start if Geno/whoever has one bad game.

He certainly is a serviceable QB, and honestly he isn't really a backup, he could start for half the teams in the league. Landing him as a backup would be a solid move anywhere IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Cowboys landed him.

AussieChiefsFan 01-03-2013 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272693)
He certainly is a serviceable QB, and honestly he isn't really a backup, he could start for half the teams in the league. Landing him as a backup would be a solid move anywhere IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Cowboys landed him.

True.

Exoter175 01-03-2013 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9272697)
True.

How sweet would it be if we Drafted Geno and signed Alex?

MY GOD TO THE SHIP!

AussieChiefsFan 01-03-2013 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272701)
How sweet would it be if we Drafted Geno and signed Alex?

MY GOD TO THE SHIP!

Quite sweet. The only problem is that people would call for Alex smith to start after Geno has 1 bad game.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-03-2013 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272693)
He certainly is a serviceable QB, and honestly he isn't really a backup, he could start for half the teams in the league. Landing him as a backup would be a solid move anywhere IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Cowboys landed him.

So what? He's going to be 2nd string behind Romo, or 3rd string behind Romo and then Orton?

Exoter175 01-03-2013 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9272704)
Quite sweet. The only problem is that people would call for Alex smith to start after Geno has 1 bad game.

Well, if we had Reid here, I don't think it would be a problem. Fans would be so enamored by the fact that we went and drafted a QB, we'd be more lenient here in KC than any other team in the world. Furthermore, I think Reid would be able to quell the discussion. He's really good at deflection in the media.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9272706)
So what? He's going to be 2nd string behind Romo, or 3rd string behind Romo and then Orton?

Well, I've got the feeling that Orton would find the market shortly, and Smith wouldn't be brought in for a backup so much as QB competition in camp for #1. I think Mr. Jones is going to do that just to shake the dust off of Romo and get his guy to start playing up to the bar Jones has set for him, and using Alex as a cattle prod might just be the tactic Jones uses.

AussieChiefsFan 01-03-2013 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272712)
Well, if we had Reid here, I don't think it would be a problem. Fans would be so enamored by the fact that we went and drafted a QB, we'd be more lenient here in KC than any other team in the world. Furthermore, I think Reid would be able to quell the discussion. He's really good at deflection in the media.

True, Having been in Philly for 14 season, he'd be fine. But still there's fans that really believe that Geno is definitely gonna be the next J Russell. It's quite sad really, how blatantly racist people can be.

Exoter175 01-03-2013 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9272715)
True, Having been in Philly for 14 season, he'd be fine. But still there's fans that really believe that Geno is definitely gonna be the next J Russell. It's quite sad really, how blatantly racist people can be.

I don't think that's really all that racist, you can draw a lot of comparisons to Russel from their college games, and I think that's why a lot of guys like myself are waiting on the Combines, Pro Days, Wonderlics, etc. to come out so we can really get behind a guy. Only time will tell now. That being said, Russel was more of an anomaly than anything, at least in my opinion.

AussieChiefsFan 01-03-2013 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272737)
I don't think that's really all that racist, you can draw a lot of comparisons to Russel from their college games, and I think that's why a lot of guys like myself are waiting on the Combines, Pro Days, Wonderlics, etc. to come out so we can really get behind a guy. Only time will tell now. That being said, Russel was more of an anomaly than anything, at least in my opinion.

It is when people just straight come out and say, Vince Young, J Russel for no reason.

Exoter175 01-03-2013 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9272742)
It is when people just straight come out and say, Vince Young, J Russel for no reason.

I liked Vince Young and I feel like with the right support, he'd have continued to develop, didn't happen and that was a shame. If only he could have removed his ego from his game, god he had talent.

But you can Counter with guys like Vick, Newton, RG3 who was really Pick 1B rather than a #2.

I'm not a fan of black QB's at all because of the hype about them and their "athleticism" transitioning from college to the pros, and I don't really think that is exactly racist, but I can at least acknowledge the fact that there is a lot of racism at the QB position specifically from a fans perspective.

BigMeatballDave 01-03-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9272684)
A mediocre QB isn't the reason Reid is unemployed. It was the complete shitshow all around him.

Vick was the main reason. Turnover machine.

ChiefRocka 01-03-2013 07:33 AM

Not high on Vick but he couldn't get to his three step without someone in his grill this season.

the Talking Can 01-03-2013 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272747)
I liked Vince Young and I feel like with the right support, he'd have continued to develop, didn't happen and that was a shame. If only he could have removed his ego from his game, god he had talent.

But you can Counter with guys like Vick, Newton, RG3 who was really Pick 1B rather than a #2.

I'm not a fan of black QB's at all because of the hype about them and their "athleticism" transitioning from college to the pros, and I don't really think that is exactly racist, but I can at least acknowledge the fact that there is a lot of racism at the QB position specifically from a fans perspective.

yeah, it's racist....you ****ing racist

Exoter175 01-03-2013 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9272876)
yeah, it's racist....you ****ing racist

:/

Mr. Flopnuts 01-03-2013 07:59 AM

Considering Geno has probably the highest IQ of any prospect coming out in the entire draft, any comparison to Vince Young or JaMarcus Russel is almost guaranteed to be skin color related only. Clearly, no research was done. So therefore, it's got some racial overtones which is the nice way of saying it's racist as ****.

KC_Lee 01-03-2013 08:00 AM

How about this; given the utter disaster this past season was for the Chiefs would Clark want the sideshow that is Vick on the roster?

Exoter175 01-03-2013 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9272928)
Considering Geno has probably the highest IQ of any prospect coming out in the entire draft, any comparison to Vince Young or JaMarcus Russel is almost guaranteed to be skin color related only. Clearly, no research was done. So therefore, it's got some racial overtones which is the nice way of saying it's racist as ****.

Can't wait to see the Wonderlic results, which if I remember right, Russel was mid 20's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9272933)
How about this; given the utter disaster this past season was for the Chiefs would Clark want the sideshow that is Vick on the roster?

That is a good question right there.

DMAC 01-03-2013 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9272928)
Considering Geno has probably the highest IQ of any prospect coming out in the entire draft, any comparison to Vince Young or JaMarcus Russel is almost guaranteed to be skin color related only. Clearly, no research was done. So therefore, it's got some racial overtones which is the nice way of saying it's racist as ****.

This. Geno would be teaching Vick things, not the other way around. Pointless.

Vick will probably be starting somewhere actually... Minnesota or Arizona or something. Someone will give him a shot.

stonedstooge 01-03-2013 08:45 AM

Vick would rape with a decent offensive line. Dude still throws bullets

Red And Yellow 01-03-2013 08:48 AM

No, No, No don't want any part of Vick, think it would be funny if he went to the Browns and be part of the "dawg pound" LoL

KCFaninSEA 01-03-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9272087)
Vick is the reason Reid is unemployed. He won't be following him....

While Vick was terrible this year the O-line was banged up all season. He couldn't drop back more than 3 steps before he had pressure. Was some of that him not reading properly, ya sure, but the line was terrible and defenses do a good job to disguise those blitzes. If he expects a tackle to pick up a blitz and the tackle doesn't, well you've seen what happens.

I would be OK with Vick coming in and being a backup.

KC_Connection 01-03-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9272851)
Vick was the main reason. Turnover machine.

Laughable claim considering the team's awful problems all over the field (the O-Line in particular) and it shows you clearly didn't watch the Eagles this season.

KC_Connection 01-03-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA (Post 9273281)
While Vick was terrible this year the O-line was banged up all season. He couldn't drop back more than 3 steps before he had pressure. Was some of that him not reading properly, ya sure, but the line was terrible and defenses do a good job to disguise those blitzes. If he expects a tackle to pick up a blitz and the tackle doesn't, well you've seen what happens.

I would be OK with Vick coming in and being a backup.

Pretty much. The Eagles were even worse with Foles under center this year than they were with Vick and they were pretty ****ing bad with both of them.

KC_Connection 01-03-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 9273023)
This. Geno would be teaching Vick things, not the other way around. Pointless.

Vick will probably be starting somewhere actually... Minnesota or Arizona or something. Someone will give him a shot.

Buffalo would be my best guess as to where Vick ends up.

Chief_For_Life58 01-03-2013 09:47 AM

vick will start and geno will take over mid season or next season

Bwana 01-03-2013 09:47 AM

Not only no, but hell no.

luv 01-03-2013 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9273387)
Not only no, but hell no.

This.

Chief_For_Life58 01-03-2013 09:52 AM

whys everyone against vick? he could bring his dog rings to kcmo and get big showings every week

Mr. Laz 01-03-2013 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9272019)
Hell no.

this

Mr. Laz 01-03-2013 09:59 AM

we want a veteran mentor as a backup to help Geno Smith learn, not a guy who's problem was learning the position in the first place.

KC_Lee 01-03-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9273463)
we want a veteran mentor as a backup to help Geno Smith learn, not a guy who's problem was learning the position in the first place.

This, over and over. It's not like Vick was Montana-Elway-Unitas-Marino all rolled into one.

suds79 01-03-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9273463)
we want a veteran mentor as a backup to help Geno Smith learn, not a guy who's problem was learning the position in the first place.

I think the veteran backup thing to "show them the ropes" is overrated. What's the QB coach doing all this time?

Look at Washington. RG3 did just fine. And why? Because he can play. Not because he had a washed up has been teaching him.

If Geno can play, he'll be fine.

Draft the backup in this draft later on.

Rasputin 01-03-2013 10:06 AM

I'm betting Vick goes to the JETS JETS JETS


It would not take much for him to overtake Dirty Sanchez

crazycoffey 01-03-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9273481)
This, over and over. It's not like Vick was Montana-Elway-Unitas-Marino all rolled into one.

But none of those guys are black

Molitoth 01-03-2013 10:54 AM

Considering I want Reid to work his offense around Geno Smith, I'd rather them go out and get a veteran FA that has experience as a pure pocket passer in this league. (Matt Hasselbeck is willing to take a backup role/mentor for Jake Locker)

I wouldn't be excited about having Vick on the same offense as Geno Smith.

AustinHorn 01-03-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272747)
I liked Vince Young and I feel like with the right support, he'd have continued to develop, didn't happen and that was a shame. If only he could have removed his ego from his game, god he had talent.

His ego is part of the reason he is 31-19 as a starter. Fisher simply never wanted him. I thought he and Reid got along much better.

Never understood the hate for Vince Young. The guy has tons of talent, is still young, and he's got a winning record. People say he can't pass or lacks the mental ability to play QB, and that sounds racist to me. You don't get to 2 pro bowls if those things are true. He had a 99 passer rating his final year in TN after an 83 the year before, so he was progressing well as a passer.

FishingRod 01-03-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinHorn (Post 9273846)
His ego is part of the reason he is 31-19 as a starter. Fisher simply never wanted him. I thought he and Reid got along much better.

Never understood the hate for Vince Young. The guy has tons of talent, is still young, and he's got a winning record. People say he can't pass or lacks the mental ability to play QB, and that sounds racist to me. You don't get to 2 pro bowls if those things are true. He had a 99 passer rating his final year in TN after an 83 the year before, so he was progressing well as a passer.

Vince Young? Hell I would take Neil Young over any of the fine tuned specimens we have trotted out on the filed the last couple of years.

lcarus 01-03-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 9272865)
Not high on Vick but he couldn't get to his three step without someone in his grill this season.

Yep. That line was terrible.


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