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Mr. Laz 01-03-2013 11:19 AM

What type of QB does Andy Reid prefer?
 
We've seen all sorts of QB's under Reid in philly

Mike Vick mobile/spread option
Vince Young mobile/spread option
Nick Foles pocket/big arm (Coryell-ish?)
Kevin Kolb pocket/west coast
A.J. Feeley pocket/west coast
Jeff Garcia mobile/west coast
Donovan McNabb mobile/big arm (coryell-ish?)
Koy Detmer Mobile/West Coast


what type of QB is Reid looking to draft?

htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:21 AM

I think he prefers the WCO, pocket guy with a bit of escapability... Brett Favre, Garcia, McNabb, etc.

Rasputin 01-03-2013 11:22 AM

Geno Smith

BigCatDaddy 01-03-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9273928)
Geno Smith

This.

DeezNutz 01-03-2013 11:25 AM

How are we defining "mobile." Too often that's used to characterize running QBs, and this was certainly not McNabb, even in his prime. He was elusive in the pocket, though, and could throw well on the move.

TRR 01-03-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9273923)
I think he prefers the WCO, pocket guy with a bit of escapability... Brett Favre, Garcia, McNabb, etc.

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htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9273959)
How are we defining "mobile." Too often that's used to characterize running QBs, and this was certainly not McNabb, even in his prime. He was elusive in the pocket, though, and could throw well on the move.

This.

That's what I was trying to get at. I think he likes a pocket passer that's ELUSIVE, like McNabb or Favre.

To me, that makes Geno and Wilson much more probable vs. a guy like Glennon...

silver5liter 01-03-2013 11:27 AM

Espn is scaring me... Talking about how he can fix cassel

Mr. Laz 01-03-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9273959)
How are we defining "mobile." Too often that's used to characterize running QBs, and this was certainly not McNabb, even in his prime. He was elusive in the pocket, though, and could throw well on the move.

well i tried to include 2 descriptions


mobile/option = vick ... a guy half run/half pass

mobile/coryell = mcnabb a guy that COULD run but was still most about the pass.

Jeff garcia = mobile/west coast looking to pass but running the ball was still a definite weapon of his game

KevB 01-03-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9273959)
How are we defining "mobile." Too often that's used to characterize running QBs, and this was certainly not McNabb, even in his prime. He was elusive in the pocket, though, and could throw well on the move.

McNabb ran the ball a fair amount early in his career. Quick check of stats shows 500-600 yards rushing his first three seasons as a starter. He dialed it back though once he became more accustomed to QB in the NFL. Based on how Reid has used his QB's and RB's, my assumption is that he appreciates a level of versatility in his skill players if possible.

DeezNutz 01-03-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9274001)
McNabb ran the ball a fair amount early in his career. Quick check of stats shows 500-600 yards rushing his first three seasons as a starter. He dialed it back though once he became more accustomed to QB in the NFL. Based on how Reid has used his QB's and RB's, my assumption is that he appreciates a level of versatility in his skill players if possible.

True enough. And I love the bold.

McNabb was such a tank back in the day...

CupidStunt 01-03-2013 11:37 AM

The one that isn't like Matt Cassel.

ToxSocks 01-03-2013 11:38 AM

The type that win.

htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:39 AM

So anybody else notice another theme in that list?

htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9273998)
well i tried to include 2 descriptions


mobile/option = vick ... a guy half run/half pass

mobile/coryell = mcnabb a guy that COULD run but was still most about the pass.

Jeff garcia = mobile/west coast looking to pass but running the ball was still a definite weapon of his game

You did just fine. :thumb:

DeezNutz 01-03-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9274053)
So anybody else notice another theme in that list?

More than half are white so it's clear that Reid might have reservations about Smith?

Jenson71 01-03-2013 11:43 AM

Tebow would work well.

Frosty 01-03-2013 11:43 AM

A. J. Feeley came out of the Ducks' spread offense and was pretty mobile. He was a lot more like Garcia than Foles.

The way Geno Smith can move around in the pocket leads me to believe that he would be a perfect fit for Reid.

Chiefnj2 01-03-2013 11:47 AM

west coast with some mobility in the pocket = Barkley

Oh Snap 01-03-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9273928)
Geno Smith

Geno Smith has drawn comparisons to Donovan McNabb...I just hope we don't adopt the Eagles pass happy offensive philosophy.

htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9274064)
More than half are white so it's clear that Reid might have reservations about Smith?

He went in to every season except his first with a black QB, though. :hmmm:

O.city 01-03-2013 11:50 AM

Barkley is considered mobile?

htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9274085)
west coast with some mobility in the pocket = Barkley

If he wants to go more vertical like he did with McNabb, it could also be Tyler Wilson or Geno.

DeezNutz 01-03-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9274085)
west coast with some mobility in the pocket = Barkley

Injury concern and measurements at the combine will go a long way to determining his stock, IMO.

Chiefnj2 01-03-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9274104)
Barkley is considered mobile?

Pocket mobility, yes.

Hammock Parties 01-03-2013 11:53 AM

I won't be shocked if Reid drafts Barkley.

Just gonna have to deal with it.

J Diddy 01-03-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oh Snap (Post 9274092)
Geno Smith has drawn comparisons to Donovan McNabb...I just hope we don't adopt the Eagles pass happy offensive philosophy.

I would be content just to have an offensive philosophy.

I think Daboll's plan as coordinator was just to make it look offensive.

The Franchise 01-03-2013 11:54 AM

Geno has better pocket presence and mobility than Barkley.

jspchief 01-03-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9273982)
Espn is scaring me... Talking about how he can fix cassel

Reid will take one look at Cassel's tape and cut him. He knows what QB play looks like.

htismaqe 01-03-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9274114)
Injury concern and measurements at the combine will go a long way to determining his stock, IMO.

Matt Miller still thinks he drops into the 20's. Glennon might go before him.

Deberg_1990 01-03-2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9273905)

what type of QB is Reid looking to draft?

Koy Detmer

Mr. Laz 01-03-2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9274073)
A. J. Feeley came out of the Ducks' spread offense and was pretty mobile. He was a lot more like Garcia than Foles.

The way Geno Smith can move around in the pocket leads me to believe that he would be a perfect fit for Reid.

tbh i could barely remember who A.J. Feeley was

DaWolf 01-03-2013 12:02 PM

Geno...

Mr_Tomahawk 01-03-2013 12:04 PM

Tyler Wilson

O.city 01-03-2013 12:05 PM

It'll be Wilson or Geno.

Frosty 01-03-2013 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9274182)
tbh i could barely remember who A.J. Feeley was

The most hilarious thing about him is that Philly fleeced a 2nd round pick out of Miami for Feeley.

htismaqe 01-03-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9274209)
It'll be Wilson or Geno.

Yep. And I'll be ecstatic with either.

O.city 01-03-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9274230)
Yep. And I'll be ecstatic with either.

This.


:clap:

Chiefnj2 01-03-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9274129)
Geno has better pocket presence and mobility than Barkley.

Barkley has better pocket presence. From the huddle to the actual throw Barkley is better than Geno; and he should be at this point in his career.

Red And Yellow 01-03-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9273982)
Espn is scaring me... Talking about how he can fix cassel

FML!!!, your kidding right?

Great Expectations 01-03-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9274101)
He went in to every season except his first with a black QB, though. :hmmm:

I thought he went in with Kolb as the starter a couple of years ago and yanked him for Vick when he sucked.

Molitoth 01-03-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9274235)
Barkley has better pocket presence. From the huddle to the actual throw Barkley is better than Geno; and he should be at this point in his career.

From the huddle? Have you been in the huddle with both to compare?

JFC some of you people...

gta0012 01-03-2013 12:16 PM

He prefers mediocre QB's who he will stay with for far too long.

Chiefnj2 01-03-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9274251)
From the huddle? Have you been in the huddle with both to compare?

JFC some of you people...

JFC, fine from the moment the huddle breaks. Feel better? Plus, I haven't seen Barkley lose his composure as much as Geno when things go bad.

TRR 01-03-2013 12:17 PM

I will trust Reid's QB opinion although he didn't hit the jackpot with Kolb. For all of McNabb's success, I firmly believe Reid's playoff failures had a lot to do with McNabb's inability to not choke in big games.

Reid has a lot of patience with the players he believes in. One of his biggest downfalls in Philly according to the fans.
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BigCatDaddy 01-03-2013 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9274263)
JFC, fine from the moment the huddle breaks. Feel better? Plus, I haven't seen Barkley lose his composure as much as Geno when things go bad.

Have you ever seen Landry Jones upset? Me neither. Sign him up!

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 12:28 PM

Reid absolutely hit the jackpot with Kolb. He got a second round pick + DRC for him, right?

Mr. Laz 01-03-2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9274322)
Have you ever seen Landry Jones upset? Me neither. Sign him up!

i've seen Jones upset a lot, you can tell by the shit stain on his pants every time he gets blitzed.

The Franchise 01-03-2013 12:28 PM

Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

Shawn Barber on what traits Andy Reid prioritizes in Quarterbacks: "Accuracy."

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9274336)
Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

Shawn Barber on what traits Andy Reid prioritizes in Quarterbacks: "Accuracy."

Hello Geno. Hands down the most accurate QB in the draft this year and its not even close.

Great Expectations 01-03-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9274336)
Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

Shawn Barber on what traits Andy Reid prioritizes in Quarterbacks: "Accuracy."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274347)
Hello Geno. Hands down the most accurate QB in the draft this year and its not even close.

McNabb's main issue was accuracy.

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oh Snap (Post 9274092)
Geno Smith has drawn comparisons to Donovan McNabb...I just hope we don't adopt the Eagles pass happy offensive philosophy.

Yeah, that throwing the football stuff is overrated.

LMAO

gta0012 01-03-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9274662)
Yeah, that throwing the football stuff is overrated.

LMAO


It is when your sitting on a top three RB in the league in McCoy and you don't use him.

Molitoth 01-03-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9274662)
Yeah, that throwing the football stuff is overrated.

LMAO

Right? That ground and pound philosphy is what wins championships in todays NFL! :rolleyes:

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9274235)
Barkley has better pocket presence. From the huddle to the actual throw Barkley is better than Geno; and he should be at this point in his career.

Uh, no. As far as sliding within the pocket and evading rushers, stepping up, and slipping rushers, no. It isn't even close.

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9274679)
Right? That ground and pound philosphy is what wins championships in todays NFL! :rolleyes:

I mean, the Jets went to back-to-back AFCGs with it! It is the only way! ROFL

Molitoth 01-03-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9274681)
Uh, no. As far as sliding within the pocket and evading rushers, stepping up, and slipping rushers, no. It isn't even close.

Meh, his hatred for Geno Smith is strong. Until Geno is on the field throwing for 400 yards, some of these haters are not going to change their mind.

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9274681)
Uh, no. As far as sliding within the pocket and evading rushers, stepping up, and slipping rushers, no. It isn't even close.

I seriously question the quantity of film watched, the vision and the judgement of some of the planeteers who make some of these claims, Mr. Sorter.

L.A. Chieffan 01-03-2013 01:35 PM

Matt Cassell is the prototypical Reid quarterback. No joke.

Leadership, toughness, screen passes all day long...

Ladies and gentlemen your Chiefs starting quarterback for 2013.... Matt Cassell!

Rausch 01-03-2013 01:36 PM

I'm pretty sure Geno lovers have good reason to rejoice...

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274694)
I seriously question the quantity of film watched, the vision and the judgement of some of the planeteers who make some of these claims, Mr. Sorter.

I question whether they consumed a large quantity of paint chips as children.

For some, they probably never kicked the habit.

gta0012 01-03-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9274695)
Matt Cassell is the prototypical Reid quarterback. No joke.

Leadership, toughness, screen passes all day long...

Ladies and gentlemen your Chiefs starting quarterback for 2013.... Matt Cassell!

Trust me I wouldn't be surprised. Let's hope we get new GM that pushes Cassel out.

Molitoth 01-03-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274694)
I seriously question the quantity of film watched, the vision and the judgement of some of the planeteers who make some of these claims, Mr. Sorter.

What bothers me is that us chumps on a website can sit here and watch a ton of film on these QB's and figure out who looks to be the best prospect.

and then you have PAID PROFESSIONALS like Kiper who do this every day 24/7 and they are pimping someone like Glennon over Geno.

I really just don't get it.

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 01:40 PM

Mel is paid extra by agents to plug guys. The average viewer doesn't know that he's wrong, just accepts his word as the expert.

Ace Gunner 01-03-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9273982)
Espn is scaring me... Talking about how he can fix cassel

:)

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9274722)
What bothers me is that us chumps on a website can sit here and watch a ton of film on these QB's and figure out who looks to be the best prospect.

and then you have PAID PROFESSIONALS like Kiper who do this every day 24/7 and they are pimping someone like Glennon over Geno.

I really just don't get it.

Paid by agents to market players+ arrogance + overall being shitty talent evaluators. For ****s sake, Mel Kiper thought that Jamarcus Russel would be Elway and Russel WIlson would be complete garbage. Gruden almost beat his ass on set over that ROFL

ToxSocks 01-03-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9274698)
I'm pretty sure Geno lovers have good reason to rejoice...

As do Geno Haters.

Reid brings a new dynamic and confidence when it comes to new QB's.

All of a sudden, those physical tool Geno exhibits have a greater chance of turning into NFL production.

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 01:44 PM

With Childress and Reid selecting and coaching a prospect, you have a high probability of success.

Molitoth 01-03-2013 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9274729)
Paid by agents to market players+ arrogance + overall being shitty talent evaluators. For ****s sake, Mel Kiper thought that Jamarcus Russel would be Elway and Russel WIlson would be complete garbage. Gruden almost beat his ass on set over that ROFL

That's why I tell people to go research prospects on their own rather than just listening to what Kiper has to say.

These are the same type of people who accept being a Jehovah's Witness because their parents told them its the truth.

GO RESEARCH YOURSELF PEOPLE, OPEN YOUR MINDS!
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploa...mage-kuato.jpg

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274739)
With Childress and Reid selecting and coaching a prospect, you have a high probability of success.

For as much hate as people have for Childress, I think he can be creative at times.

My question is, Reid primarily utilizes a zone-blocking run scheme, whereas IIRC, Childress and the majority of WCO uses a power scheme that utilizes a fullback. It will be interesting to see how our run game looks next year IMO.

in b4 Reid doesn't use RBs

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 01:49 PM

This offensive line is well-built for a ZBS for many years due to the young talent. It would be a mistake to choose a scheme over the talent on the line.

houstonwhodat 01-03-2013 01:51 PM

Do ya'll really want Andy Reid as your coach?

Rausch 01-03-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9274775)
Do ya'll really want Andy Reid as your coach?

No, not really...

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274764)
This offensive line is well-built for a ZBS for many years due to the young talent. It would be a mistake to choose a scheme over the talent on the line.

Definitely. Our OL is athletic enough to get in space quickly and cut. Additionally, I feel we're going to see much more use from Charles in the screen game

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 01:54 PM

Honestly, I hope to see something in the mold of the Coryell system with a higher emphasis on the running and play-action game. Frankly something similar to what Al Saunders ran.

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274788)
Honestly, I hope to see something in the mold of the Coryell system with a higher emphasis on the running and play-action game. Frankly something similar to what Al Saunders ran.

For being a WCO guy, Reid loves to utilize vertical concepts. That + PA + Geno + our running game = me gusta

RunKC 01-03-2013 01:58 PM

I would assume that Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley are all in play.

BWillie 01-03-2013 01:58 PM

So he's going to bring in Michael Vick right

alnorth 01-03-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9274336)
Danny Parkins ‏@DannyParkins

Shawn Barber on what traits Andy Reid prioritizes in Quarterbacks: "Accuracy."

Well, then its got to be Geno, and its not even close.

Nightfyre 01-03-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9274347)
Hello Geno. Hands down the most accurate QB in the draft this year and its not even close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9274806)
Well, then its got to be Geno, and its not even close.

:hmmm:


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