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Hammock Parties 01-05-2013 08:15 PM

Andy Reid: An unlikely head coach who became a football ‘CEO’
 
Great, very long article from the Star. Bolded the most awesomes.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/05...coach-who.html

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The obscure and rotund offensive line coach from the University of Missouri drew the short straw and had to make the two-hour drive to Kansas City for the weekly Tiger Club meeting.

The drill was to bring film from the previous game, show it on a white screen, answer some questions from Mizzou die-hards and motor back to Columbia.

This was during the forgettable Bob Stull era at Missouri, so when assistant coach Andy Reid walked into the Golden Ox restaurant in the stockyards nearly 20 years ago, a grand total of six people showed up to see him.

“I can still remember talking to him on the parking lot and profusely apologizing,” longtime Kansas City Tiger Club leader Paul Blackman said, “but he was such a gentleman. He was so nice about it. He said, ‘Don’t worry about it, it got me out of the office … I’ve got some recruiting to do.’

“No one knew then that he would become the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and now the Chiefs. Look how far he’s come.”

On Friday, Reid became the 13th head coach in Chiefs history after a 14-year run in Philadelphia, where he won a franchise-record 130 regular-season games, 10 postseason games; appeared in five NFC championship games and one Super Bowl.

Imagine the crowd that shows up for his formal introduction Monday in Kansas City and the first time he steps on the sidelines at Arrowhead Stadium.

“The first thing he does is bring instant credibility with his success with the Philadelphia Eagles,” former NFL general manager Charley Casserly said. “He’ll have a plan for the entire organization, he’ll want to do it his way … he’s a highly organized coach.

“… You get a guy who has a proven plan, that is a winner. He will find a quarterback to develop. It may take him a year to do that. But this team, as soon as they have a quarterback, will be a winner with Andy Reid.”

Reid, 54, is a skilled craftsman who has built cabinets and clocks and tinkers with old cars, including his prized 1928 Model A Ford.

But he is first and foremost a football coach. Though Reid wore the title of head coach and executive vice president of football operations with the Eagles, and he will have complete power over football decisions with the Chiefs, he’s far more comfortable with a whistle around his neck than a necktie.

His desk is covered with huge binders that include schedules for practices, travel and training camps that map out just about every minute of every day of every month of the year. There are also his detailed game plans and playbooks with hundreds of plays.

“He loves the whole idea of being a coach,” said Anthony Gargano, who has been host of Reid’s Monday radio shows in Philadelphia and covered him extensively for several publications. “He’s not one of these guys who is going to go to the TV booth. He doesn’t have that sparkling TV personality. He loves the film study … that’s who he is.

“He’s actually an incredible CEO. He’s a really brilliant guy. If I had a Fortune 500 company, I would have him run it. All you need to know is he spent 14 years building something in Philadelphia. It ends. And three days later, he’s meeting with the Chiefs …”

Reid’s quest to capture Philadelphia’s first Super Bowl championship is what drove him as a coach and eventually drove him out of town.

“I used to wonder, when he could get a job wherever he wanted, why did he stay?” Gargano said. “It was, ‘I’m so close, I’m so close, I’ve got to do it, I’ve got to do it.’ I think part of him feels bad that he never won a Super Bowl here, and he feels bad because Philadelphia never won a Super Bowl, and it was so tantalizingly close, that the fact he almost feels that he let everybody down by not winning it all.”

Reid, who declined comment Friday after arriving at Arrowhead Stadium, remained a reserved, private figure, even in media-crazed Philadelphia, the fourth-largest market in the country. In a city known for its zealous, unforgiving fans, Reid was respected but not revered, no doubt because of the Eagles’ inability to win a Super Bowl.

“If there is something I always thought he should change,” Gargano said, “he should show his true … who he is, because he’s a really good dude, he’s a funny guy, he’s got a personality, and he never showed it to the fans. I thought it was a mistake. That good will would have been in the bank, so at the end, it wouldn’t have been, ‘We need change, we need change …’”

Andrew Walter Reid was born in the shadows of Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, the second of two sons. His father, Walter, was an artist who worked primarily on backdrops for theatrical sets, and his mother, Elizabeth, was a radiologist.

Reid idolized his brother Reggie, who was 10 years older and played running back for John Marshall High School, where much of the film “Grease” was shot. Andy, who was 6 feet 5 at age 13, was a four-year letterman at the school, playing offensive line, defensive tackle and even kicking three game-winning field goals as a senior, the longest a 36-yarder.

He was selected most inspirational player as a senior, when the Barristers reached the quarterfinals in the city playoffs, and was voted into the school’s athletic hall of fame in 1999, right after he became the Eagles head coach.

“You can remember every play from your high school career,” Reid said last June prior to a formal induction ceremony. “You move on and (the years) start blending. But high school … you remember every stinking thing that happened. I think it’s because you grew up with the guys.”

Reid played guard and tackle during 1979-81 at Brigham Young University, where he blocked for quarterback Jim McMahon and met his future wife, Tammy. Reid converted to the Mormon faith in 1979, the religion Tammy and her family practiced. They would have five children, three boys and two girls.

Reid spent 1982 as a graduate assistant at BYU, working with Mike Holmgren; 1983-85 as offensive coordinator/offensive line coach at San Francisco State; a year as offensive line coach at Northern Arizona and two at Texas El-Paso before accompanying Stull to Missouri in 1989.

The Tigers went 9-23-1 during Reid’s three years in Columbia, and the most memorable game was losing 33-31 to No. 1 Colorado in the infamous Fifth Down game in 1990. But the indefatigable Reid, who constantly wore a towel around his neck to combat profuse perspiration, maintained his enthusiasm.

Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, an assistant on that MU staff, will never forget one night in Columbia.

“He had a young family at that time,” Koetter recalled, “so one Christmas he had it orchestrated where I wore a Santa Claus suit and sneaked into his house after the kids were in bed, to try and convince them Santa Claus was still here.

“I came in, he woke them up, and they saw me sneaking out the door.”

The next day, Reid’s two sons told Koetter how they saw Santa Claus, and “he was bigger than Russ the Bus,” referring to Missouri offensive lineman Russ McCullough, a 6-9, 320-pounder.

Reid left Missouri in 1992 and spent seven seasons as an assistant coach on Holmgren’s Green Bay Packers staff. During that span, the Packers reached the playoffs six times and beat New England in Super Bowl XXXI and lost to Denver in Super Bowl XXXII.

Reid coached tight ends and was an assistant offensive line coach in his first five seasons at Green Bay before taking over the unlikely role as quarterbacks coach in 1997, tutoring Brett Favre for two years. Holmgren had his reasons for making Reid his quarterbacks coach after Marty Mornhinweg left to become offensive coordinator at San Francisco.

“Line coaches live in their little worlds,” Holmgren said. “I said this is going to expand your horizons and you will thank me for it someday. It allowed him to understand the passing game more and have a feel for the entire offense.”

One of Favre’s backups was Matt Hasselbeck, who was taken by the Packers in the sixth round of the 1998 draft on the recommendation of Reid, who was the only coach to attend Hasselbeck’s pro day at Boston College, mainly because Koetter was the quarterbacks coach.

The first lesson Reid taught Hasselbeck was to avoid watching Favre’s poor fundaments and daring decision making, which only Favre could get away with because of his talent.

“But he wanted me to pay attention to the intangibles,” said Hasselbeck, who would be traded to Seattle and help Holmgren to a Super Bowl, “Brett’s leadership style, the way he handles criticism from coaches, the way he motivates the huddle.”

Reid had the smallest office at the Packers’ facility and McMahon, who was wrapping up his career as a backup to Favre, would lie on the floor in front of Reid’s desk because there wasn’t enough room for everyone to sit.

“Andy would say, ‘Jimmy Mac,’ sit up,”’ Hasselbeck recalled. “And McMahon said, ‘Andy, what are you going to teach me about playing quarterback?’ The fact Andy didn’t play quarterback didn’t matter, he just had this awesome view of things.”

Reid was not a clone of Holmgren’s but a buffer.

“He’s not a yeller or screamer, but he’ll get on you,” Hasselbeck said. “There were times he got on me or Brett for sure, but he was very creative in how he did it.

“Mike Holmgren would be ripping Brett Favre or screaming at me in training camp. Andy would get between the two of us and would have body language like he was ripping me, and he would say quietly, ‘Listen, I know what happened on that play, the receiver ran the wrong route, we’ll see it on film. … I need to look like I’m yelling at you right now.’

“Andy was really big picture. Everything he ever told me was spot on. I wouldn’t even be in the NFL if it wasn’t for Andy Reid. I’d take a bullet for this guy. I’d do anything for him. I trust him. He builds a relationship and loyalty.

When Reid took the head coaching job in Philadelphia in 1999, the reaction was, ‘Andy Who?” He had never been a head coach at any level, had never been a coordinator at the major college or NFL level or called plays in the NFL.

The Eagles, coming off a 3-13 season, held the second overall pick in what appeared to be a quarterback-rich draft. Much of Philadelphia wanted to see the Eagles take running back Ricky Williams of Texas, but Reid wanted to build his team around a franchise quarterback.

“He’s got really good philosophies,” Gargano said. “One of those was the shell philosophy. Back then he said, ‘Give me two (defensive) ends, two good corners, two good tackles on offense, and a quarterback, and that shell is what’s going to win. He said, you watch, this league is going to be a pass-heavy league, it’s going to morph into that.’

“He foresaw … I give him a lot of credit.”


Cleveland chose Tim Couch of Kentucky with the first pick. The Eagles selected Donovan McNabb of Syracuse, one spot ahead of Akili Smith of Oregon, who was taken by Cincinnati. Daunte Culpepper of Central Florida and would go to Minnesota at No. 11 and Cade McNown of UCLA, would go to Chicago at No. 12.

Smith and McNown turned out to be busts and Culpepper became a solid starter in the league. McNabb went to six Pro Bowls in 11 seasons, led the Eagles to five NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.

The Eagles struggled through a 5-11 season as McNabb made six starts his rookie year. But starting in 2000, McNabb and the Eagles reached the playoffs in five straight seasons.

Reid made a bold move in 2004, trading for controversial wide receiver Terrell Owens, who had been a locker-room cancer in San Francisco and had a penchant for outlandish touchdown celebrations that drew fines from the league.

Owens didn’t seem to fit Reid’s rigid demeanor, but he showed he could make room for some nonconformity.

“I don’t have a lot of rules,” Reid told Philadelphia Magazine after Owens was acquired. “Be on time and work hard. That’s it. Everything else is based on common sense. … If you put too many rules or restrictions in there, guys don’t know what direction to go. It curbs their personalities.”

Owens contributed mightily to the Eagles’ Super Bowl season in 2004, catching 77 passes for 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns, plus a gutty performance in the 24-21 loss to New England in which he caught nine passes for 122 yards.

Eventually, Owens wore out his welcome in Philadelphia, but Reid reloaded in the 2008 and 2009 drafts by selecting wide receivers DeSean Jackson and Mizzou star Jeremy Maclin, who have been big playmakers for the Eagles.

And it was Reid who brought in troubled Michael Vick, who had been suspended by the league, out of football for two years and incarcerated at the U.S. Penitentiary in Leavenworth on a dogfighting conviction. In 2010, Vick led the Eagles to a 10-6 record and NFC East title as Philadelphia set franchise records with 439 points; 6,230 total net yards; and 5.4 yards per rushing attempt.

Former Eagles and Chiefs linebacker Shawn Barber, who lives in the Kansas City area, believes Reid can be just as successful with the Chiefs.

“I would think he would be a perfect fit,” said Barber, who played for Philadelphia in 2002 and 2006 and interned for Reid in the offseason of 2010. “He’s a no-nonsense coach. He’s very aggressive in all three phases — offense, defense and special teams. He never held anything back. He left it on the field.”

McNabb, an analyst for NFL Network, said the Chiefs could go through some growing pains at first.

“This is his first year, so he’s going to make sure that he kind of weeds out some of the negativity that has been going on in the locker room,” he said. “He’s going to be a disciplinarian; he’s going to make sure that guys understand that it’s about character and personality with this ballclub. And with that you build trust.”

The phone rang on Jan. 30, 2007. While Reid and Tammy were on vacation in the Los Angeles area, their oldest son, Garrett, who had been battling drug issues, crashed his car into another in Pennsylvania, injuring the other driver, a 55-year-old woman. He tested positive for heroin.

Incredibly, six hours later, their second son, Britt, was arrested for flashing a gun at a motorist, and like his brother, was busted with illegal drugs. Reid subsequently took a 39-day leave of absence from the Eagles and accompanied his sons to a detox center in Florida.

In August 2007, Britt was back in jail having violated his parole when found incoherent and behind the wheel of a car. Police found pills in his pickup truck and in his pockets. Five weeks later, Garrett failed a drug test and went back to jail. The brothers were sentenced to the Montgomery County Correction Facility for nearly two years.

Every Thursday night, Andy Reid visited his sons.

“All the blame goes on you as the parent,” Reid told the Philadelphia Inquirer in 2010. “As a football coach, you look at the hours you put in and you say, ‘Wow.’ You should be home more or you should do this. You go through and you analyze everything. And then you find out there are a lot of parents who are home a lot. It hits everybody.”

Last Aug. 5, Garrett Reid, 29, was found dead in his room of a heroin overdose at the club’s training camp at Lehigh University, where he was assisting the Eagles’ strength and conditioning coach.

“I’m humbled because of the outpouring (of support),” Reid told reporters two days later. “I know my son would feel the same way. It’s a sad situation, and my son has been battling for a number of years. … It doesn’t mean you stop loving your son.”

Before the 2012 season began, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said the team would have to show improvement after an 8-8 record and no playoffs in 2011. The Eagles finished 4-12 and, sure enough, Reid was one of seven NFL coaches fired on Dec. 31.

Reid’s agent, Bob LaMonte, who represents nearly 50 NFL coaches, assistants and front-office personnel, puts Reid in select company despite the lack of a Super Bowl win.

“At the end of every season in the National Football League, you have one genius and 31 dopes,” LaMonte told the Philadelphia Daily News last September. “In the time Andy Reid has been in Philadelphia, there hasn’t been a division that has given out more pink slips — Washington, Dallas and New York — while Andy has survived. He hasn’t been good for the coaching fraternity in those cities.”

Reid said he hasn’t thought about his legacy in Philadelphia.

“As a coach, you’re always looking forward,” he said at the start of the season. “Very seldom do you ever look back. Very seldom do you rest on laurels. I’m no different than the other guys. I’m trying to push forward and find the best way to win championships.

“You want to be thought of as a good football coach, an honest person and a hard worker. I don’t think that’s a lot different from what other people strive for in their business.”

Mother****erJones 01-05-2013 08:18 PM

Sounds good to me!

the Talking Can 01-05-2013 08:20 PM

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When Reid took the head coaching job in Philadelphia in 1999, the reaction was, ‘Andy Who?” He had never been a head coach at any level, had never been a coordinator at the major college or NFL level or called plays in the NFL.

The Eagles, coming off a 3-13 season, held the second overall pick in what appeared to be a quarterback-rich draft. Much of Philadelphia wanted to see the Eagles take running back Ricky Williams of Texas, but Reid wanted to build his team around a franchise quarterback.

“He’s got really good philosophies,” Gargano said. “One of those was the shell philosophy. Back then he said, ‘Give me two (defensive) ends, two good corners, two good tackles on offense, and a quarterback, and that shell is what’s going to win. He said, you watch, this league is going to be a pass-heavy league, it’s going to morph into that.’

“He foresaw … I give him a lot of credit.”

a decade late, but we're finally joining the real nfl

1ChiefsDan 01-05-2013 08:21 PM

Like :thumb:

the Talking Can 01-05-2013 08:22 PM

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“I don’t have a lot of rules,” Reid told Philadelphia Magazine after Owens was acquired. “Be on time and work hard. That’s it. Everything else is based on common sense. … If you put too many rules or restrictions in there, guys don’t know what direction to go. It curbs their personalities.
Bowe is jacking it to that quote...pioli's culture is out

Mother****erJones 01-05-2013 08:23 PM

Ahhhhh...smell that? Thats the smell of winning winds

DeezNutz 01-05-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9286399)
a decade late, but we're finally joining the real nfl

I laughed. It's about all one can do.

Dylan 01-05-2013 08:50 PM

This article couldn't have been written better.

Thanks, Clay

SAUTO 01-05-2013 08:54 PM

I'm betting hasselbeck will be our vet qb.
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RunKC 01-05-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9286587)
I'm betting hasselbeck will be our vet qb.
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He'll be 38 next year.

I bet he retires.

SAUTO 01-05-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9286596)
He'll be 38 next year.

I bet he retires.

We will see.

We need a qb. He would die for Reid
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tk13 01-05-2013 08:58 PM

It's going to be Brett Favre.

FAVRE FAVRE FAVRE

CaliforniaChief 01-05-2013 09:01 PM

Hasselbeck would be a helluva #2 QB to have here. Todd Haley agrees with me.

He could really help Geno Smith or any other top drafted QB learn how to be an NFL QB.

mnchiefsguy 01-05-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9286596)
He'll be 38 next year.

I bet he retires.

Hasselback was asked about testing the FA waters, and he said he was happy being the backup in TN. If Reid gives him a call, I could see him coming to KC.

The Franchise 01-05-2013 09:03 PM

Geno Smith and Matt Hasselbeck? I'd be ok with that.

O.city 01-05-2013 09:04 PM

So we are actually going to throw the ball?

TribalElder 01-05-2013 09:04 PM

Golden Ox is on some gangster shit

Nice read

TribalElder 01-05-2013 09:12 PM

Also, no wonder he signed with the Chiefs. Missouri is the holy land to them.

CoMoChief 01-05-2013 10:10 PM

I forgot about the problems he had w/ his boys.....my god.

Hammock Parties 01-05-2013 10:11 PM

You get the sense that Andy Reid has 1/10th of the ego of Scott Pioli.

CoMoChief 01-05-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9286630)
Geno Smith and Matt Hasselbeck? I'd be ok with that.

the guy is 38 ****ing years old.

stay the **** away from that.

mdchiefsfan 01-05-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9286630)
Geno Smith and Matt Hasselbeck? I'd be ok with that.

2nd

-King- 01-05-2013 10:19 PM

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“He’s got really good philosophies,” Gargano said. “One of those was the shell philosophy. Back then he said, ‘Give me two (defensive) ends, two good corners, two good tackles on offense, and a quarterback, and that shell is what’s going to win. He said, you watch, this league is going to be a pass-heavy league, it’s going to morph into that.’
Two defensive ends: Hali and Houston are close enough. Check
Two good corners: We have one and can easily get a good one in FA or after the 1st round
Two good tackles: Albert and Winston. Check

Let's get that Franchise QB.

SAUTO 01-05-2013 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9286630)
Geno Smith and Matt Hasselbeck? I'd be ok with that.

Me too
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Red Dawg 01-05-2013 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9286480)
I laughed. It's about all one can do.

Bullshit! We need to keep our secrets, piss off our players and make double sided copies of ducuments to save paper and pick up paper wrappers. That builds a winner.

O.city 01-05-2013 10:27 PM

Like Clay said, atleast he doesnt' come off as an arrogant douchenozzle.

DeezNutz 01-05-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 9286944)
Bullshit! We need to keep our secrets, piss off our players and make double sided copies of ducuments to save paper and pick up paper wrappers. That builds a winner.

If he stayed in KC, I'm pretty sure I would have killed myself.

EagleRob 01-05-2013 10:47 PM

The Philly crowd is betting he asks McNabb to come out of retirement to be the veteran tutor / QB3.

jspchief 01-05-2013 10:50 PM

Good article.

I'm also on board with Hasselbeck as the vet/#2. We have to get another QB. Better a winner past his prime than some dickwad career backup.

AussieChiefsFan 01-05-2013 10:50 PM

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:Awesome

SAUTO 01-05-2013 10:53 PM

Hasselbeck actually might have something left
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SAUTO 01-05-2013 10:54 PM

McNabb doesn't
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Ace Gunner 01-05-2013 10:56 PM

cool article. I did not know Reid is such a well rounded man :D

siberian khatru 01-05-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 9286944)
Bullshit! We need to keep our secrets, piss off our players and make double sided copies of ducuments to save paper and pick up paper wrappers. That builds a winner.

TOGETHER IS POWERFUL

EagleRob 01-05-2013 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9287031)
McNabb doesn't
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Reid and McNabb had a ridiculous bromance over the years. The breakup was ugly and the Philly fans had turned on McNabb. He had to trade him. It always felt like he sent him to Washington because it was a better option for McNabb than Oakland. There's still some love left. In a new place, its possible he makes amends for the way he sent McNabb packing.

htismaqe 01-05-2013 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9287061)
Reid and McNabb had a ridiculous bromance over the years. The breakup was ugly and the Philly fans had turned on McNabb. He had to trade him. It always felt like he sent him to Washington because it was a better option for McNabb than Oakland. There's still some love left. In a new place, its possible he makes amends for the way he sent McNabb packing.

Reid did him a HUGE favor by not sending him to Oakland...

AussieChiefsFan 01-05-2013 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9287064)
Reid did him a HUGE favor by not sending him to Oakland...

This LMAO

EagleRob 01-05-2013 11:05 PM

I hope to heck for Chiefs fans it doesn't happen but Reid is a very loyal guy. There are some serious bets down back east though.

Hammock Parties 01-05-2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 9286944)
Bullshit! We need to keep our secrets, piss off our players and make double sided copies of ducuments to save paper and pick up paper wrappers. That builds a winner.

You try to tell Andy Reid this and he'll say BULLSHIT! JUST KEEP FIRING THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD!

htismaqe 01-05-2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9287072)
I hope to heck for Chiefs fans it doesn't happen but Reid is a very loyal guy. There are some serious bets down back east though.

We got the #1 pick in the draft. If we get a QB there, everything else is pretty much icing on the cake.

Goldmember 01-05-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9286399)
a decade late, but we're finally joining the real nfl

That's our Chiefs, always the imitators, never the innovators. Maybe Reid will change that.

CaliforniaChief 01-05-2013 11:34 PM

Great write-up.

I hope he can do a little self-care. I sincerely worry about a man in his mid 50's carrying around that much weight who has a lot of personal stress and a highly demanding job.

I like what I've read about him. I think he'll thrive in Kansas City. I'll be really pumped if Dorsey is indeed the guy who is hired as GM. I'd also be thrilled to see Kevin Greene/Winston Moss brought in as DC. That's going to be a key hire.

I'm looking forward to Monday's presser.

EagleRob 01-05-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9287152)
I hope he can do a little self-care. I sincerely worry about a man in his mid 50's carrying around that much weight.

He's in a better place now. The last season was taking it's toll. Methinks he would have taken a year off but also heard KC was his first choice all along. At one point he lost about 50 lbs. Probably put about 30 back since.

CaliforniaChief 01-05-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9287173)
He's in a better place now. The last season was taking it's toll. Methinks he would have taken a year off but also heard KC was his first choice all along. At one point he lost about 50 lbs. Probably put about 30 back since.

I personally understand how difficult this struggle is (losing weight), but have no idea how painful losing a son is...particularly under those circumstances.

HemiEd 01-06-2013 03:06 AM

Most of it is very encouraging, especially the parts about a franchise Qb and discipline.

After having "just play good football, I don't know what happened" for a HC, there is going to be some culture shock for some of these players when they are expected to be accountable. Hopefully the good ones come around.

bevischief 01-06-2013 04:53 AM

What is this pass they are talking about?

CoMoChief 01-06-2013 08:05 AM

That's funny what was said about Brett Favre.

"Now listen, Matt....see what Brett is doing over there? Whatever you do...DON'T DO THAT!!!!"

mdchiefsfan 01-06-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9287368)
What is this pass they are talking about?

I think it's what we pretend to do on 3rd and long right before we hand it to McCluster.

htismaqe 01-06-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob (Post 9287173)
He's in a better place now. The last season was taking it's toll. Methinks he would have taken a year off but also heard KC was his first choice all along. At one point he lost about 50 lbs. Probably put about 30 back since.

He was just there too long. If Andy Reid is here for 10 years and making OL coaches into DCs, I'll be begging for him to be fired, too.

chiefzilla1501 01-06-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9287462)
That's funny what was said about Brett Favre.

"Now listen, Matt....see what Brett is doing over there? Whatever you do...DON'T DO THAT!!!!"

Like I said in another thread, it shows an interesting contrast between Holmgren and Reid. Both are really good at coaching up QBs. Holmgren was the guy who disciplined the QB while Reid was the guy who believed in standing in the QB's corner. There's merit to both approaches. But again... you wonder if maybe McNabb's lack of intensity in big games might be the byproduct of Reid.

Eyemsougly 01-06-2013 10:05 AM

Hey guys, I wanted to make a new thread about this but apparently new members aren't allowed to so I'll post it here.

I have been a Philadelphia Eagles fan for the past 15 seasons, that is I started following the Eagles the year before Reid took over. The first year I was an Eagles fan our coach was Ray Rhodes and we went 3-13 and were the worst team in football, and probably one of the worst teams ever.

For me, all of my positive memories of the Eagles are tied up with Andy Reid and for me I was always just as much of an Andy fan as an Eagles fan which is why I am now shifting my loyalty from the Eagles to the Chiefs. I might stay an Eagles fan as well, but the Chiefs are now my first team.

I am here because I think that a lot of Chiefs fans have some serious concerns about Reid and I would like to address them from the perspective of someone who had to suffer through these past two terrible seasons.

The problems for Reid and the Eagles began immediately after the end of the 2010 season when it became clear that our defensive coordinator at the time, Sean McDermott (who had taken over for the legendary Jim Johnson after Johnson's sudden death from cancer), was totally incompetent. Reid new he needed to correct that problem but went about it in the totally wrong way. First thing he did was hire Jim Washburn as his Dline coach before he had hired a coordinator. The amount of DCs who would have been willing and able to work with Washburn's gimmicky "wide 9" system was very small so Reid moved his long time Oline coach, Juan Castillo to DC. Now, contrary to popular perception Juan actually was a pretty good Defensive Coordinator, he was just hamstrung by having to build his entire defense around a line playing in a scheme that put way too much pressure on the LBs and especially the safeties. In fact, it was after Juan was fired that the defense completely imploded as our new DC (Todd Bowles) and Washburn just could not get on the same page.

The biggest problem with moving Juan was that it left a hole at Oline coach where Juan had done a great job for years. Reid brought Howard Mudd out of retirement but Mudd had an entirely different scheme. Overnight the Eagles changed from a physical team to a finesse one, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. We ran the ball more but they were mostly outside runs and we were completely incapable of running on short yardage. Mudd's line did improve the pass blocking initially but the wheels fell off the wagon this year and we were simply unable to block anyone for the first 8 games of the season.

On special teams Reid hired Bobby April from the Bills who was regarded as the best ST coach in the league. April inherited a terrible unit and immediately set about making it even worse.

Basically what happened is Reid got away from what had worked for him for so long: physical play, bringing along his own guys and developing players in house. It ended up costing us the last two season and costing Reid his job. The early signs so far though are that in KC Reid intends to return to the approach he had during his first 12 years with the Eagles.

I don't believe that the Eagles ownership or front office had lost faith in Reid. If Jeff Lurie had his way, he's probably have been inclined to give Reid another year but Andy has always been absolutely detested by the Philadelphia Eagles fan base and the public pressure was just too much. A change of scenery is best for all parties involved.

The Chiefs do have some talent, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy has them competing for a playoff spot this year.

Rain Man 01-06-2013 10:29 AM

First off, thanks to the Eagles fans who are posting. We're probably not going to pay you much heed at this point, because you're telling us that the water at the oasis is dirty after we've been wandering in the desert. However, we appreciate your input and will likely come back to these posts in a year or two to see if your predictions come true.

This article interests me because I've mentioned a few times during the past season that Hasselbeck would be a great veteran to bring in as a backup and a mentor to Geno or Murray or whoever. You want a guy in that role who wasn't a spectacular natural talent but who learned the game well to succeed, and who isn't going to have the ego to expect the starting job. Hasselbeck is that guy.

The Iron Chief 01-06-2013 12:05 PM

I can hear the death cry of Omaha Omaha..

Andy Reids first note to the team after watching this past seasons footage..the use of this play call is banned from the confines of the practice field locker room and most definitely on the field of battle.

Hasselbeck & Geno sounds good to me.

I've been away this week and haven't chimed in much yet but this..

“I don’t have a lot of rules,” Reid told Philadelphia Magazine after Owens was acquired. “Be on time and work hard. That’s it. Everything else is based on common sense. … If you put too many rules or restrictions in there, guys don’t know what direction to go. It curbs their personalities.”

To shake that gray cloud thats clung over Arrowhead the past few yrs from the communication to the press to the players to the fans will be so refreshing its hard to put into words.

The gray cloud was actually fat asses shadow.

Hammock Parties 01-06-2013 01:08 PM

Thank you for the post, Eagles fan.

Can you comment on what was so bad about 9 wide, and can you comment on Reid's relationship with Eagles President Joe Banner?

milkman 01-06-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9288222)
Thank you for the post, Eagles fan.

Can you comment on what was so bad about 9 wide, and can you comment on Reid's relationship with Eagles President Joe Banner?

I know you asked Eagles fan, but I will chime in.

The 9 wide isn't a bad scheme if you have the players at LB to fill the gaps inside and make plays.

But a team with mediocre LBs is going to get burned time and again in that set.

You need big, strong, fast LBs to make that work.

Hammock Parties 01-06-2013 01:16 PM

There's basically no way we can run that then, barring an unforeseen acquisition of two stud 4-3 OLBs.

siberian khatru 01-06-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyemsougly (Post 9287685)
Hey guys, I wanted to make a new thread about this but apparently new members aren't allowed to so I'll post it here.

I have been a Philadelphia Eagles fan for the past 15 seasons, that is I started following the Eagles the year before Reid took over. The first year I was an Eagles fan our coach was Ray Rhodes and we went 3-13 and were the worst team in football, and probably one of the worst teams ever.

For me, all of my positive memories of the Eagles are tied up with Andy Reid and for me I was always just as much of an Andy fan as an Eagles fan which is why I am now shifting my loyalty from the Eagles to the Chiefs. I might stay an Eagles fan as well, but the Chiefs are now my first team.

I am here because I think that a lot of Chiefs fans have some serious concerns about Reid and I would like to address them from the perspective of someone who had to suffer through these past two terrible seasons.

The problems for Reid and the Eagles began immediately after the end of the 2010 season when it became clear that our defensive coordinator at the time, Sean McDermott (who had taken over for the legendary Jim Johnson after Johnson's sudden death from cancer), was totally incompetent. Reid new he needed to correct that problem but went about it in the totally wrong way. First thing he did was hire Jim Washburn as his Dline coach before he had hired a coordinator. The amount of DCs who would have been willing and able to work with Washburn's gimmicky "wide 9" system was very small so Reid moved his long time Oline coach, Juan Castillo to DC. Now, contrary to popular perception Juan actually was a pretty good Defensive Coordinator, he was just hamstrung by having to build his entire defense around a line playing in a scheme that put way too much pressure on the LBs and especially the safeties. In fact, it was after Juan was fired that the defense completely imploded as our new DC (Todd Bowles) and Washburn just could not get on the same page.

The biggest problem with moving Juan was that it left a hole at Oline coach where Juan had done a great job for years. Reid brought Howard Mudd out of retirement but Mudd had an entirely different scheme. Overnight the Eagles changed from a physical team to a finesse one, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. We ran the ball more but they were mostly outside runs and we were completely incapable of running on short yardage. Mudd's line did improve the pass blocking initially but the wheels fell off the wagon this year and we were simply unable to block anyone for the first 8 games of the season.

On special teams Reid hired Bobby April from the Bills who was regarded as the best ST coach in the league. April inherited a terrible unit and immediately set about making it even worse.

Basically what happened is Reid got away from what had worked for him for so long: physical play, bringing along his own guys and developing players in house. It ended up costing us the last two season and costing Reid his job. The early signs so far though are that in KC Reid intends to return to the approach he had during his first 12 years with the Eagles.

I don't believe that the Eagles ownership or front office had lost faith in Reid. If Jeff Lurie had his way, he's probably have been inclined to give Reid another year but Andy has always been absolutely detested by the Philadelphia Eagles fan base and the public pressure was just too much. A change of scenery is best for all parties involved.

The Chiefs do have some talent, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy has them competing for a playoff spot this year.


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KCSPORTSNUT 01-06-2013 01:53 PM

I still think Andy may try to bring Cassel around,even though he willl draft a QB and bring in competition.I just have a feeling he can do what Weiss did with Cassel

Hammock Parties 01-06-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCSPORTSNUT (Post 9288381)
I still think Andy may try to bring Cassel around,even though he willl draft a QB and bring in competition.I just have a feeling he can do what Weiss did with Cassel

Weis didn't do anything with Cassel.

He sucked in 2010, and was exposed against good teams.

Saccopoo 01-06-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KCSPORTSNUT (Post 9288381)
I still think Andy may try to bring Cassel around,even though he willl draft a QB and bring in competition.I just have a feeling he can do what Weiss did with Cassel

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Dylan 01-06-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyemsougly (Post 9287685)

Overnight the Eagles changed from a physical team to a finesse one, particularly on the offensive side of the ball.


I noticed that - I was very surprised ...

EagleRob 01-06-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9288222)
Thank you for the post, Eagles fan.

Can you comment on what was so bad about 9 wide, and can you comment on Reid's relationship with Eagles President Joe Banner?

GoWalrus, see my three comments on Pg6 of the Andy Reid has Started Assembling His Staff thread. I can't post links yet.

Priest31kc 01-06-2013 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9288387)
Weis didn't do anything with Cassel.

He sucked in 2010, and was exposed against good teams.

This.

So tired of still seeing Chiefs fans say Cassel was good in 2010.

No he was not.

He was still the same shit QB he is today.

Not that it matters, his time as a Chief is over. FINALLY. It only took 2 extra years that most teams wouldn't have given him.

Brock 01-06-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCSPORTSNUT (Post 9288381)
I still think Andy may try to bring Cassel around,even though he willl draft a QB and bring in competition.I just have a feeling he can do what Weiss did with Cassel

No.

Bane 01-06-2013 03:06 PM

ROFL

**** Casshole and any of you goddamn morons that think he's not who we know he is!Please go kill yourselves.

:bang:

Easy 6 01-06-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 9287343)
Most of it is very encouraging, especially the parts about a franchise Qb and discipline.

After having "just play good football, I don't know what happened" for a HC, there is going to be some culture shock for some of these players when they are expected to be accountable. Hopefully the good ones come around.

Yup, he's going to be a real eye opener for the players who've spent their career here with the likes of Herm, Haley and Romeo.

A stickler like Haley, but with far more experience and much less bombast.


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