So what would you feel is fair value for our pick
 

So let's say we got a trade for our pick what do you think is fair value?

I think that we should trade our #1 overall pick to Mr. Goodell for a franchise QB.

If we get a franchise QB comp doesn't matter. If we don't get that there's not enough compensation in the world.

Geno Smith or bust.


I'd be happy if they just take a QB with our first pick and not **** around with it. Too risky to trade back and miss out on the best QB prospects in the draft.

Bingo.

The Rams and Skins set the market last year.

There were basically 2 #1 overall picks in last year's draft.

Anything less than that haul the Rams received is unacceptable. And in this draft where the talent is flat up top, there is not going to be a team that will pay that.

That being said, it would be foolish to trade the pick unless a franchise QB is coming back KC's way. And there won't be because those guys don't get traded.

You shouldn't have allowed trades man.

gee. no :D

This is a good start.

Wish st Louis wanted it could get a good haul

That was for a RGIII level talent. Who is worth that to some other team?

Maybe buffalo that owner said he wants a qb might be scared cardinals or raiders take them before. That buffalo pick next year might be a good one.

#1 is worth 3000 points.

#16 and #22 are worth around 1700-1800 combined. If they threw in one of their next years 1st's (they have 2 next year too), you might be in the ball park.

Still not sure if I would do that though.

Keep hearing that the old draft value chart is no longer valid.

All that, and yet the Rams still got screwed.

He wants Mike Glennon in a bad way.

3000 points.

The target in that trade was RGIII. A hot commodity unmatched by anyone in this year's draft. That trade cannot be the measuring stick.

With the way RGIII plays, I would rather have Geno Smith.

But that's neither here nor there. You're right... the perception out there is that teams don't want any of the top QBs this year. That's why trading is dumb this year. Nobody would win. The Chiefs wouldn't get their franchise QB and the other team would pay far too much out the ass to draft a ****ing tackle.

Yeah, I know. But what are you going to do until they come out with their new one? :shrug:

I didn't suffer through a 2-14 season to move all the way down to #16 for just an additional #22 pick.

I broke down a few of the trades from last years draft and the only one that didn't match up to the chart was the RG3 trade...trades for qbs always require more.

The people you keep hearing that from dont do their homework.

Not if RGIII is only good for a couple of years. The way he's getting hit, that's not unimaginable.

I think I've figured out why Chiefs fans are so for taking a retread. They've seen him play in the league, while he might not be (probably isn't as a team is trading him for a reason) good enough to get us to the playoffs or a SB, he's got enough experience and isn't bad enough for us to bottom out. He'll win a few games if we can get a good defense like we had in the 90s when Arrowhead was at it's best, we can have a great Sunday and BBQ, but we will never be bad enough to make us a laughingstock.


Well, it took Scott Pioli and his whole circus of **** nuts to bring down the big tent on this circus and with a retread backup QB we bottomed out. Now we have the first pick, some fans are terrified we're going to take a QB and he's going to bust, hell, he very well could.

But we went thru all that, now we have a QB guru who values the position, a GM who also does, both guys who have gotten the most success by drafting a QB high.


One or two of these QB's will separate himself in the next month or two, so lets give this other option a try. See what happens.

First off, they weren't trading to 1.


If we're trading from 1 to ****ing 16, we better damn well get the WHOLE 2nd round.

Buffalos owner said they want to trade up for a QB...well, lets illustrate how much that would cost them to move to #1 overall.

#1 = 3000
#8= 1400

The value of future picks is cut in half of their current picks value, as a general guideline when teams have traded them for qbs in the past.

That means Buffalo would need to give up at least their next 2 firsts and their number 8 overall to get the deal done and that still leaves them 200 points shy.

That makes them give up their third this year. It's valued by 230 points.

So, if we were to move back to 8, we would get picks 8 and 72 this year as well as Buffalos next two first rounders.

If we trade the pick, Denise Milani has to have sex with the entire fanbase.

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Did u go 2-14 to draft a tackle and lose our left tackle sorry unles foles is coming I think we need to take geno.

This.

Yep.

I brought this up in regards to Foles. For us to trade down with Philly, we'd have to swap picks and the Chiefs would need to get Foles, a 1st next year, and either a 3rd rounder this year or a 2nd rounder next year.

That's about right.

For the record, I wouldn't be terribly pissed if something like that went down, but I'd rather just keep our pick and draft Geno.

There isn't a single player worth trading up for other than QB, so this is worthless discussion.

It wouldn't be a fair trade value for the Chiefs but a team could make an offer to us and then take guess who? Geno Smith with the first pick.
I would be livid.

You guys can throw trades from last year out the window...They're not trading for a specific number in the draft, they're trading for players in RGIII and Trent Richardson's case.

The point value chart is the starting point...the amount of teams bidding for the pick is what I creases the value.

Like Andy Reid said, they aren't gonna give away the pick.

Two corndogs and a free ride on the tilt-a-whirl.

ANd the Rams got Jeff Fisher, so the draft haul last year is a wash.

With the Rookie Wage scale in place, you are witnessing the draft value chart re-write itself.

Realistically it's not really going to be relevant in year 2.

We need to stock pile #1's and be set up for when Johnny football is available.

He'll be a bust.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE TRADE THE PICK!!!!!!!!

This.

The value chart should be the FLOOR.

Why do you say that ?? Explain.

Doug Flutie was awesome!

Did you hear Reid say that he PASSED on Dick Butkus' offer to trade up?

The saints wanted to give Reid every single pick in their draft and Reid told em to get bent and took McNabb.

I think the feelers for trade ups are to see what teams aren't confident in their quarterbacks.

White Wilson?

Could very well be.

I'm REALLY starting to feel positive about this, for the first time really ever.

ROFL

Wilson's could throw a football THROUGH Johnny Football.

We should be happy to get "the floor" if we want to trade down. There's not a superstar at the top of the draft that we wouldn't want only because we are loaded at his position. Somebody we don't want would have to be a shooting star out of the combine for us to get fair value out of a trade down.

That's why I wish Jadeveon Clowny was in this draft. Next year's top pick holder will be very lucky. They will either need him badly or will have another team in love with him who will trade for him an arm and a leg. As gods of football always plan for us, we are just sandwiched between two years like that with good talent at the top in quantity but not necessarily quality. Last year, with our 11th pick we would have most likely picked the guy we will be picking at the top this year. It feels like shit. :(

Dick Butkus?

Why?

If we get our guy, why does it matter if you had to spend the #1 for him or the #11 for him?

I was just making a comparison between the quality of this draft vs. last year's. I was lamenting the fact that, as we have come to expect, the Chiefs just HAD to have the top pick when a half a dozen prospects rate about the same in quality, depriving us from the opportunity to land a bona fide star or a chance to make a killing in a trade down.

Once this weekend is over, we'll start to hear about a couple of guys being bona fide stars.

This is all overblown.

totally agree

I hope so. I don't want us ever again to be so bad as to having the top pick. But now that we do, I want someone who'll be as future Haller. I just see a lot of solid players there but none that answers that description. So far anyway.

You do realize that that happens about 1 every 20 years?

Dude, how many years did it take for DT to get into the Hall?

Set your expectations a little more realistically.

It happens more frequently than that, but I'm a Chiefs homer.

Your spot in any future CP mock drafts