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ShowtimeSBMVP 03-05-2013 04:37 PM

Tyson Jackson redid his contract. He will remain with the Chiefs in 2013.
 
Bill Williamson ‏@espn_afcwest

#Chiefs Breaking News: Tyson Jackson redid his contract. He will remain with the Chiefs in 2013.


A day after the Chiefs kept their three top free agents; they kept the serviceable Tyson Jackson at a much reduced rate.

Jackson
The No. 3 pick of the 2009 draft was expected to be a prime candidate to be cut. His salary cap number was at more than $17 million and his base salary was at more than $14 million. Under this new deal, Jackson can make up to $5.2 million with a much more manageable salary-cap number. Jackson is still eligible to be a free agent in 2014.

Hammock Parties 03-05-2013 04:38 PM

He was showing some real pass-rush potential there at the end of last year /truefans.

Munson 03-05-2013 04:38 PM

Dammit!

Ming the Merciless 03-05-2013 04:38 PM

hmm

Strongside 03-05-2013 04:39 PM

God Damn Dorsey is kicking ass and taking names.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-05-2013 04:39 PM

As long as the price is right, good. He came on last year, and I'd like to see a #3 overall pan out for us after all that we've already paid him.

Hammock Parties 03-05-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 9467882)
Dammit!

Oh shut up. He can stay as a backup or stopgap starter, whatever.

Would prefer him as a backup.

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:40 PM

Meh. Looking for 2 DE would've been a pain in the ass. Wonder what he costs now.

Direckshun 03-05-2013 04:40 PM

We can say this much, so far:

Just about every credible rumor that's surfaced since Reid/Dorsey took over has turned out to be true.

Easy 6 03-05-2013 04:40 PM

Filed under: meh

Mother****erJones 03-05-2013 04:40 PM

Waiting on the numbers

Thig Lyfe 03-05-2013 04:40 PM

can he play QB tho

siberian khatru 03-05-2013 04:40 PM

Yay?

stonedstooge 03-05-2013 04:41 PM

Man, I hope he can have quarterbacks run into him for a couple of sacks next year. w00t

Mr_Tomahawk 03-05-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467897)
Waiting on the numbers


This.

Nightfyre 03-05-2013 04:42 PM

Here's to hoping he improves with coaching and scheme changes.

Ace Gunner 03-05-2013 04:42 PM

TC fodder /idiot fans

Molitoth 03-05-2013 04:42 PM

Good, but still the same team as last year. They better make an impact in the draft.

HolyHat 03-05-2013 04:42 PM

bye bye Glenn Dorsey. Its been real.
-nobody

seaofred 03-05-2013 04:43 PM

It had to be done. He even knew it.

In58men 03-05-2013 04:43 PM

So now we wait for Dorsey

DJ's left nut 03-05-2013 04:43 PM

I have no idea how to feel about this.

I think...indifferent.

I was slowly moving towards preferring to cut him as I don't think he's going to take a paycut and instead has probably signed an extension that spreads his absurdly high salary over 3-4 seasons (a back-door paycut). Even at that, I don't think he'll be worth what he's going to get paid.

But, he's a known quantity. So I guess there's that.

I'll wait until I see the numbers. If his cap figure is down in the $3-4 million range now, I can live with it.

Mother****erJones 03-05-2013 04:43 PM

Still waiting for Cassel's RELEASE!

stonedstooge 03-05-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467918)
Still waiting for Cassel's RELEASE!

HOLD TIGHT AND REFUSE A PAY CUT CASSHOLE!

Nightfyre 03-05-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9467917)
I have no idea how to feel about this.

I think...indifferent.

I was slowly moving towards preferring to cut him as I don't think he's going to take a paycut and instead has probably signed an extension that spreads his absurdly high salary over 3-4 seasons (a back-door paycut). Even at that, I don't think he'll be worth what he's going to get paid.

But, he's a known quantity. So I guess there's that.

I'll wait until I see the numbers. If his cap figure is down in the $3-4 million range now, I can live with it.

I suspect he took a one-year deal ~4-5 mill. He was only gty'd ~3.22.

Direckshun 03-05-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9467917)
I have no idea how to feel about this.

I think...indifferent.

I was slowly moving towards preferring to cut him as I don't think he's going to take a paycut and instead has probably signed an extension that spreads his absurdly high salary over 3-4 seasons (a back-door paycut). Even at that, I don't think he'll be worth what he's going to get paid.

But, he's a known quantity. So I guess there's that.

I'll wait until I see the numbers. If his cap figure is down in the $3-4 million range now, I can live with it.

I'm going with the known quantity factor.

This team has too much talent to be dramatically overhauled in one offseason. A gradual process is the best one.

This is a good signing, but unless Jax turns a corner here soon, it's best thought of as an intermediate-term signing.

DaneMcCloud 03-05-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9467917)
I'll wait until I see the numbers. If his cap figure is down in the $3-4 million range now, I can live with it.

I honestly can't imagine it could be beyond $5 million per.

Hopefully, they can find another starter in free agency so that they can focus on safety, CB, WR and ILB in the draft.

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:45 PM

They're trying to trade him IIRC. GL with that Dorsey.

In58men 03-05-2013 04:45 PM

More of a reason to Draft Dee or Geno

Marcellus 03-05-2013 04:46 PM

Even though he redid his deal there is no guarantee he makes the team.

saphojunkie 03-05-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467918)
Still waiting for Cassel's RELEASE!

I'm quietly praying we trade him for a late round pick. I would be infinitely impressed if it happened (it won't).

Ace Gunner 03-05-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9467916)
So now we wait for Dorsey

to sell his house.

Direckshun 03-05-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9467929)
More of a reason to Draft Dee or Geno

C'MON GENOOOOO

ChiefsCountry 03-05-2013 04:46 PM

Not worth the draft position but we always knew that, he is what he is a 3-4 DE.

Mother****erJones 03-05-2013 04:46 PM

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
.@stevenlourie 3-4 defense, dude, you don't ask your DL to make sacks.

Matt youre a ****ing AIDS ridden moron

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-05-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467937)
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
.@stevenlourie 3-4 defense, dude, you don't ask your DL to make sacks.

Matt youre a ****ing AIDS ridden moron

He's right

ILChief 03-05-2013 04:47 PM

This is great news. Not because he's great or anything but it may keep us from going DL with the first pick

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:47 PM

Maybe with the new scheme he will finally turn.. ah **** it.

CoMoChief 03-05-2013 04:47 PM

**** it.....stick him at NT and see what he can do.

HotCarl 03-05-2013 04:47 PM

He's just an average starter. I have no problem whatever with him remaining as a placeholder this year.

Who knows, maybe the new staff will have a positive effect and he will realize some potential?

saphojunkie 03-05-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9467941)
This is great news. Not because he's great or anything but it may keep us from going DL with the first pick

Yep.

As far as I can tell, the chiefs are making sure there are no needs that dictate the draft.

Hoover 03-05-2013 04:48 PM

I'm really starting to think we are going DLine at 1.1 in the draft.

Smart to keep Jackson for another year, not having him would mean two huge holes in the DL despite all we have invested.

mnchiefsguy 03-05-2013 04:48 PM

My reaction is kind of meh. As long as his cap hit goes from 14 mill down to 3-4 million, I am okay with it. If it is is any higher than 4 mill, then they probably should have just cut him loose.

BlackHelicopters 03-05-2013 04:48 PM

Better be a bargain basement price.

Ace Gunner 03-05-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467918)
Still waiting for Cassel's RELEASE!

get comfortable. he's your buqb.

Mother****erJones 03-05-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9467939)
He's right

Bullshit. There are 34 DEs that sack the QB

Hoover 03-05-2013 04:50 PM

Matt Miller is having a bad week.

Bowser 03-05-2013 04:50 PM

Jesus, what a breath of fresh air John Dorsey has been.

I have ZERO problem in saying that if Pioli were still here, the following would have/will have transpired....

- Bowe would have been let go to free agency
- Albert would have been let go to free agency
- Colquitt would have been franchised
- Cassel would have been the starter again next season
- Tyson Jackson would have played out his contract
- Luke Joeckel would have been the top pick
- Dorsey would have been resigned for big money

You really don't have to look closely to see that those moves are just totally contrarian to everything Dorsey has done thus far (minus the Joeckel part, but I feel confident thinking he's not drafting him at this point).

It is so nice to see such common sense coming from the GM of this team. It's been a long, long time since we've been able to say that.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-05-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467957)
Bullshit. There are 34 DEs that sack the QB

In a 1 gap yes. Tyson been playing in a 2 gap.

DaneMcCloud 03-05-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467957)
Bullshit. There are 34 DEs that sack the QB

Different scheme

CupidStunt 03-05-2013 04:50 PM

Anything more than a few mil and he's still overpaid. Then again, it's not easy to find two ends for the scheme, and they don't come cheap, so he has that in leverage. He's your LDE so it still leaves the door open for Floyd at #1 overall to play the attacking 5TRDE. Nickel rush defense with Hali-Poe-Floyd-Houston has some potential.

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467957)
Bullshit. There are 34 DEs that sack the QB

Jackson has always been a run stopper. That goes back to his LSU days.

Crush 03-05-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9467939)
He's right

That's true in Romeo's pussified version of the 3-4. That won't be the case IF Sutton installs a 1-gap system.

B14ckmon 03-05-2013 04:51 PM

I'd say it's good if it's 5 million or less. If it's anything more than it probably wasn't worth it.

Molitoth 03-05-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9467965)
Jesus, what a breath of fresh air John Dorsey has been.

I have ZERO problem in saying that if ***** were still here, the following would have/will have transpired....

- Bowe would have been let go to free agency
- Albert would have been let go to free agency
- Colquitt would have been franchised
- Cassel would have been the starter again next season
- Tyson Jackson would have played out his contract
- Luke Joeckel would have been the top pick
- Dorsey would have been resigned for big money

You really don't have to look closely to see that those moves are just totally contrarian to everything Dorsey has done thus far (minus the Joeckel part, but I feel confident thinking he's not drafting him at this point).

It is so nice to see such common sense coming from the GM of this team. It's been a long, long time since we've been able to say that.

While I agree with most of this, I still think Polio would've traded for Alex Smith. After the banners and the boo's, there is no way Cassel was the starting QB for this team next season.... even if he did have his dick in Polios ass.

RunKC 03-05-2013 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467957)
Bullshit. There are 34 DEs that sack the QB

I agree, but they are really ****ing hard to find. There aren't many 3-4 DE's in the league who are getting tons of sacks like JJ Watt.

nychief 03-05-2013 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9467967)
Different scheme


that raises a good question about Sutton's 3/4... and its differences with Romeos. Is there one?

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:52 PM

Lets just see how he does in a 1 gap scheme. Not expecting anything but maybe he will be a surprise

silver5liter 03-05-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9467962)
Matt Miller is having a bad week.

I called him on his shit and now hes all whiny

DJ's left nut 03-05-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9467965)
Jesus, what a breath of fresh air John Dorsey has been.

I have ZERO problem in saying that if ***** were still here, the following would have/will have transpired....

- Bowe would have been let go to free agency
- Albert would have been let go to free agency
- Colquitt would have been franchised
- Cassel would have been the starter again next season
- Tyson Jackson would have played out his contract
- Luke Joeckel would have been the top pick
- Dorsey would have been resigned for big money

You really don't have to look closely to see that those moves are just totally contrarian to everything Dorsey has done thus far (minus the Joeckel part, but I feel confident thinking he's not drafting him at this point).

It is so nice to see such common sense coming from the GM of this team. It's been a long, long time since we've been able to say that.

But we'd finally have Pioli's Welker....the ACTUAL Welker!!

And no, Jackson wouldn't have played out his deal even under Pioli, nor do I think Dorsey would've been re-signed (he's not a Pioli pick). Cassel would've been on the roster with 'competition' in the form of Glennon or Nassib in the 2nd round after the surefire Joeckel pick.

So very glad he's gone.

DaneMcCloud 03-05-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9467979)
that raises a good question about Sutton's 3/4... and its differences with Romeos. Is there one?

Supposedly, Sutton is going from a 2 gap responsibility to a 1-gap responsibility.

Guys like Neil Smith, Bruce Smith, J.J. Watt, etc. are 7-technique defensive ends, whereas Dorsey and Jackson have been 5-technique defensive ends.

Jackson's never really shown the ability to rush the passer, so I'll be surprised if he's signed more than a 2 year deal. It's also possible that they ask him to lose weight, which in theory, should make him quicker.

mcaj22 03-05-2013 04:55 PM

there is going to be a lot of people on here eating crow now that their last "hes in a 2 gap hes not asked to rush the passer" excuse will now be exposed if we move to a 1 gap and Tyson Jackson still cant rush the passer

what will the excuse be then "D-lineman need 7 years in the NFL to fully bloom to their potential?"

Bowser 03-05-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9467966)
In a 1 gap yes. Tyson been playing in a 2 gap.

I'm assuming you know the Chiefs are switching to a one gap attack defense this season.

suds79 03-05-2013 04:56 PM

Cool.

Tyson plays just about the least important position in the 3-4. Just take up space.

He does his job. If he was a 3rd round pick we would be celebrating what he brings us. But because where he was drafted he's a bust.

Time to let it go. He'll never be that player. However, he's suitable for the position he's in and is the least of our worries.

Glad he redid his contract.

Direckshun 03-05-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9467979)
that raises a good question about Sutton's 3/4... and its differences with Romeos. Is there one?

Romeo D = 2-gap

Sutton's D = 1-gap

Read here.

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9467993)
there is going to be a lot of people on here eating crow now that their last "hes in a 2 gap hes not asked to rush the passer" excuse will now be exposed if we move to a 1 gap and Tyson Jackson still cant rush the passer

what will the excuse be then "D-lineman need 7 years in the NFL to fully bloom to their potential?"

I really do not understand this fascination with hoping that a player sucks just to be proven right...

The Franchise 03-05-2013 04:57 PM

So if they can bring in someone like Canty in FA.....that all but eliminates a defensive lineman at 1.1.

If they sign a CB.....there goes Milliner.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-05-2013 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9467995)
I'm assuming you know the Chiefs are switching to a one gap attack defense this season.

Yup

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 04:58 PM

**** it do both.

DaneMcCloud 03-05-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9468006)
So if they can bring in someone like Canty in FA.....that all but eliminates a defensive lineman at 1.1.

Agreed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9468006)
If they sign a CB.....there goes Milliner.

Not necessarily. I have a hard time believing that the Chiefs are happy with the current crop of nickel defenders (Arenas, Brown, etc.) so they could sign a guy like Sean Smith as a nickel and draft a starter opposite Flowers.

RyFo18 03-05-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9467937)
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
.@stevenlourie 3-4 defense, dude, you don't ask your DL to make sacks.

Matt youre a ****ing AIDS ridden moron

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9467939)
He's right

Yes, he is.

/Haloti Ngata nods in agreement.

Direckshun 03-05-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9468006)
So if they can bring in someone like Canty in FA.....that all but eliminates a defensive lineman at 1.1.

If they sign a CB.....there goes Milliner.

Christ.

Surely they're not clearing the way for Geno, right?

...right?

The Franchise 03-05-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9468018)
Not necessarily. I have a hard time believing that the Chiefs are happy with the current crop of nickel defenders (Arenas, Brown, etc.) so they could sign a guy like Sean Smith as a nickel and draft a starter opposite Flowers.

No way they pay what Sean Smith is asking and then start him at NB.

Hammock Parties 03-05-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9468018)
so they could sign a guy like Sean Smith as a nickel

A 6-3, 215 CB is going to play nickel?

Dane proving how stupid he is again.

mcaj22 03-05-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9468003)
I really do not understand this fascination with hoping that a player sucks just to be proven right...

theres always a winner and a loser in arguments, two sides, ones about players are what people see on their televisions, use analytics, own opinion to defend their stance.

numbers dont lie that hes horrible at rushing the passer, that's not asking to be proven right, but when people find excuses to defend something that's not defend-able, then it becomes a point to laugh at people for being wrong, the whole time, in this case, for four years.

It has nothing to do with my thinking of "Is Tyson Jackson a bad player?" I dont think he's bad, but what I am not homer about and I am realistic is the fact that he has no pass rush ability and nor do I expect any, ever

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 05:01 PM

Would be nice but Sean Smith will probably expect too much to be a nickel back. If they can make it work though would be great.

mcaj22 03-05-2013 05:01 PM

Sean Smith is asking for 24 million guaranteed and his agent lobbying for a bidding war from different teams

yea no to that turd

DJ's left nut 03-05-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9468003)
I really do not understand this fascination with hoping that a player sucks just to be proven right...

Consider the poster.

There is literally nothing that guy won't bitch about.

Sassy Squatch 03-05-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9468025)
theres always a winner and a loser in arguments, two sides, ones about players are what people see on their televisions, use analytics, own opinion to defend their stance.

numbers dont lie that hes horrible at rushing the passer, that's not asking to be proven right, but when people find excuses to defend something that's not defend-able, then it becomes a point to laugh at people for being wrong, the whole time, in this case, for four years.

It has nothing to do with my thinking of "Is Tyson Jackson a bad player?" I dont think he's bad, but what I am not homer about and I am realistic is the fact that he has no pass rush ability and nor do I expect any, ever

Fair enough.

mcaj22 03-05-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9468034)
Consider the poster.

There is literally nothing that guy won't bitch about.

well when you have a team with a losing record and about 7 good players on it, there is plenty to bitch about. If we were making the playoffs there wont be much to say now would there.


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