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Deberg_1990 03-08-2013 11:42 AM

How similiar is this years draft to 96, 97 and 2000?
 
Very interesting........



96
No 1st round QBs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NFL_Draft


1 New York Jets Keyshawn Johnson Wide Receiver USC
2 Jacksonville Jaguars Kevin Hardy Linebacker Illinois
3 Arizona Cardinals Simeon Rice Defensive End Illinois
4 Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden Tackle UCLA
5 New York Giants Cedric Jones Defensive End Oklahoma
6 St. Louis Rams Lawrence Phillips Running Back Nebraska
7 New England Patriots Terry Glenn Wide Receiver Ohio State
8 Carolina Panthers Tim Biakabutuka Running Back Michigan
9 Oakland Raiders Rickey Dudley Tight End Ohio State
10 Cincinnati Bengals Willie Anderson Tackle Auburn
11 New Orleans Saints Alex Molden Cornerback Oregon
12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Regan Upshaw Defensive End California
13 Chicago Bears Walt Harris Cornerback Mississippi State
14 Houston Oilers Eddie George [3] Running Back Ohio State
15 Denver Broncos John Mobley Linebacker Kutztown
16 Minnesota Vikings Duane Clemons Defensive End California
17 Detroit Lions Reggie Brown Linebacker Texas A&M
18 St. Louis Rams Eddie Kennison Wide Receiver LSU
19 Indianapolis Colts Marvin Harrison Wide Receiver Syracuse
20 Miami Dolphins Daryl Gardener Defensive Tackle Baylor
21 Seattle Seahawks Pete Kendall Tackle Boston College
22 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marcus Jones Defensive End North Carolina
23 Detroit Lions Jeff Hartings Guard Penn State
24 Buffalo Bills Eric Moulds Wide Receiver Mississippi State
25 Philadelphia Eagles Jermane Mayberry Tackle Texas A&M-Kingsville
26 Baltimore Ravens Ray Lewis Linebacker Miami
27 Green Bay Packers John Michels Tackle USC
28 Kansas City Chiefs Jerome Woods Free Safety Memphis
29 Pittsburgh Steelers Jamain Stephens Tackle North Carolina A&T
30 Washington Redskins (from Dallas Cowboys) Andre Johnson Tackle Penn State



97
First Qb not taken until 26th
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NFL_Draft

1 St. Louis Rams (from New York Jets) Orlando Pace Offensive tackle Ohio State
2 Oakland Raiders Darrell Russell Defensive tackle USC
3 Seattle Seahawks (from Atlanta Falcons for 1997 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks) Shawn Springs Cornerback Ohio State
4 Baltimore Ravens Peter Boulware Linebacker Florida State
5 Detroit Lions Bryant Westbrook Cornerback Texas
6 Seattle Seahawks (from St. Louis Rams via New York Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers) Walter Jones Offensive tackle Florida State
7 New York Giants Ike Hilliard Wide receiver Florida
8 New York Jets(from Tampa Bay Buccaneers) James Farrior Linebacker Virginia
9 Arizona Cardinals Tommy Knight Cornerback Iowa
10 New Orleans Saints Chris Naeole Guard Colorado
11 Atlanta Falcons Michael Booker Cornerback Nebraska
12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Warrick Dunn Running back Florida State
13 Kansas City Chiefs Tony Gonzalez Tight end California
14 Cincinnati Bengals Reinard Wilson Linebacker Florida State
15 Miami Dolphins Yatil Green Wide receiver Miami
16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Reidel Anthony Wide receiver Florida
17 Washington Redskins Kenard Lang Defensive end Miami
18 Tennessee Oilers Kenny Holmes Defensive end Miami
19 Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn Offensive tackle California
20 Minnesota Vikings Dwayne Rudd Linebacker Alabama
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Renaldo Wynn Defensive tackle Notre Dame
22 Dallas Cowboys David LaFleur Tight end LSU
23 Buffalo Bills Antowain Smith Running back Houston
24 Pittsburgh Steelers Chad Scott Defensive back Maryland
25 Philadelphia Eagles Jon Harris Defensive end Virginia
26 San Francisco 49ers Jim Druckenmiller Quarterback Virginia Tech
27 Carolina Panthers Rae Carruth Wide receiver Colorado
28 Denver Broncos Trevor Pryce Defensive Tackle Clemson
29 New England Patriots Chris Canty Cornerback Kansas State
30 Green Bay Packers Ross Verba Offensive tackle Iowa


2000
First Qb not taken until 18th
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_Draft

1 Cleveland Browns Courtney Brown Defensive end Penn State
2 Washington Redskins (from New Orleans) LaVar Arrington Linebacker Penn State
3 Washington Redskins (from San Francisco) Chris Samuels Tackle Alabama
4 Cincinnati Bengals Peter Warrick Wide receiver Florida State
5 Baltimore Ravens (from Atlanta) Jamal Lewis Running back Tennessee
6 Philadelphia Eagles Corey Simon Defensive tackle Florida State
7 Arizona Cardinals Thomas Jones Running back Virginia
8 Pittsburgh Steelers Plaxico Burress Wide receiver Michigan State
9 Chicago Bears Brian Urlacher Linebacker New Mexico
10 Baltimore Ravens (from Denver) Travis Taylor Wide receiver Florida
11 New York Giants Ron Dayne Running back Wisconsin
12 New York Jets (from Carolina through Washington and San Francisco) Shaun Ellis Defensive end Tennessee
13 New York Jets (from San Diego through Tampa Bay) John Abraham Defensive end South Carolina
14 Green Bay Packers Bubba Franks Tight end Miami (Florida)
15 Denver Broncos (from Baltimore) Deltha O'Neal Cornerback California
16 San Francisco 49ers (from New England through New York Jets) Julian Peterson Linebacker Michigan State
17 Oakland Raiders Sebastian Janikowski Kicker Florida State
18 New York Jets Chad Pennington Quarterback Marshall
19 Seattle Seahawks (from Dallas) [2] Shaun Alexander Running back Alabama
20 Detroit Lions Stockar McDougle Tackle Oklahoma
21 Kansas City Chiefs Sylvester Morris Wide receiver Jackson State
22 Seattle Seahawks Chris McIntosh Tackle Wisconsin
23 Carolina Panthers (from Miami) Rashard Anderson Defensive back Jackson State
24 San Francisco 49ers (from Washington) Ahmed Plummer Cornerback Ohio State
25 Minnesota Vikings Chris Hovan Defensive tackle Boston College
26 Buffalo Bills Erik Flowers Defensive end Arizona State
27 New York Jets (from Tampa Bay) Anthony Becht Tight end West Virginia
28 Indianapolis Colts Rob Morris Linebacker BYU
29 Jacksonville Jaguars R. Jay Soward Wide receiver USC
30 Tennessee Titans Keith Bulluck Linebacker Syracuse
31 St. Louis Rams Trung Canidate Running back Arizona

ToxSocks 03-08-2013 11:44 AM

Yup, it's a shit draft, no doubt about it.

Oh wait, sorry, the NFL prefers to call it a "depth draft".....

Depth....as in hardly any starter quality players available past the 1st round.

Rasputin 03-08-2013 11:45 AM

This draft will have one or two taken in the top 10.

BossChief 03-08-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477092)
Yup, it's a shit draft, no doubt about it.

Oh wait, sorry, the NFL prefers to call it a "depth draft".....

Depth....as in hardly any starter quality players available past the 1st round.

That's incorrect.

This is a really deep draft, it just lacks blue chip quality players...or so they say.

Rausch 03-08-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477092)
Yup, it's a shit draft, no doubt about it.

Oh wait, sorry, the NFL prefers to call it a "depth draft".....

Depth....as in hardly any starter quality players available past the 1st round.

Once you leave the top 10 it's a huge drop.

This isn't a top heavy draft but it's one where the second round starts in the bottom of 1 and ends at the bottom of 3.

This is exactly the type of draft where you want to have multiple picks...

durtyrute 03-08-2013 11:52 AM

Five years from now this could be looked at as one of the best drafts in decades. Everyone is just talking out of their asses right now <---even this guy.

Ace Gunner 03-08-2013 11:53 AM

no elite players up top.

ToxSocks 03-08-2013 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9477108)
That's incorrect.

This is a really deep draft, it just lacks blue chip quality players...or so they say.

Bullshit.

It's a BS line fed by the NFL to keep you interested in watching and talking about football. "Depth" draft.....

As in, the majority of these players are going to be buried on the Depth chart.

Players are suppose to be taken from best to worst (loosely obviously), so if it's weak at the top, then it's even weaker at the middle and especially at the bottom.

This is 2009 all over again.

Rausch 03-08-2013 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 9477116)
Five years from now this could be looked at as one of the best drafts in decades. Everyone is just talking out of their asses right now <---even this guy.

This will be the draft GM's are graded on.

There are so many players with risks, huge upsides, problems, reeruned combine numbers, etc.

There is no clear anything outside the top 5 or so and even those guys are debated.

Here's where your GM earns his money...

Ace Gunner 03-08-2013 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 9477116)
Five years from now this could be looked at as one of the best drafts in decades. Everyone is just talking out of their asses right now <---even this guy.

sho nuff :D

KCrockaholic 03-08-2013 11:54 AM

In 97' Delhomme and Kitna went undrafted.

In 96' had Damon Huard and Ray Lucas undrafted.

2000' had Bulger in the 6th and of course Brady.

Is this class worse than 97 or 96? I don't really believe that.

Rausch 03-08-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477120)
Players are suppose to be taken from best to worst (loosely obviously), so if it's weak at the top, then it's even weaker at the middle and especially at the bottom.

Nein.

Completely wrong...

durtyrute 03-08-2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9477121)
This will be the draft GM's are graded on.

There are so many players with risks, huge upsides, problems, reeruned combine numbers, etc.

There is no clear anything outside the top 5 or so and even those guys are debated.

Here's where your GM earns his money...

Indeed

durtyrute 03-08-2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9477122)
sho nuff :D

:LOL::thumb:

BlackHelicopters 03-08-2013 11:57 AM

Well, we shall if this is a shitty draft in about 3-4 years.

Rasputin 03-08-2013 11:58 AM

They say quantity and quality is better at the OL & DL well then get a playmaker early so you get higher value for him. If there is less playmakers to get and your a team in need of playmaker or QB best get one early. There should be OL & DL quality guys later in this draft.

ToxSocks 03-08-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9477125)
Nein.

Completely wrong...

How so?

ToxSocks 03-08-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9477131)
They quantity and quality is better at the OL & DL well then get a playmaker early so you get higher value for him. If there is less playmakers to get and your a team in need of playmaker or QB best get one early. There should be OL & DL quality guys later in this draft.

And who are these Quality guys later in the draft?

There is barely a handful of guys at the top of the draft that are quality.

Rausch 03-08-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477132)
How so?

...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9477121)
This will be the draft GM's are graded on.

There are so many players with risks, huge upsides, problems, reeruned combine numbers, etc.

There is no clear anything outside the top 5 or so and even those guys are debated.

Here's where your GM earns his money...


The Franchise 03-08-2013 12:00 PM

The Chiefs luck?

1st overall pick in the year sandwiched by Luck and Clowney.

MIAdragon 03-08-2013 12:02 PM

3 Seattle Seahawks (from Atlanta Falcons for 1997 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks) Shawn Springs Cornerback Ohio State

Holy Shit.

KCrockaholic 03-08-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 9477147)
3 Seattle Seahawks (from Atlanta Falcons for 1997 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks) Shawn Springs Cornerback Ohio State

Holy Shit.

And Atlanta didn't end up getting shit with those picks. Seattle also got Walter Jones that draft.

Rausch 03-08-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9477140)
The Chiefs luck?

1st overall pick in the year sandwiched by Luck and Clowney.

Dorsey is not in love.

He'll trade down...

ToxSocks 03-08-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9477137)
...

....?

If the G.M has to turn over every rock to find a quality player....that means it's weak class.

I just want to know who all of these depth players are outside of round 1 (and even that round is "eh").

I like the depth at the DB position....that's about it.

Rausch 03-08-2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477167)
....?

If the G.M has to turn over every rock to find a quality player....that means it's weak class.

I just want to know who all of these depth players are outside of round 1 (and even that round is "eh").

I like the depth at the DB position....that's about it.

...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9477109)
Once you leave the top 10 it's a huge drop.

This isn't a top heavy draft but it's one where the second round starts in the bottom of 1 and ends at the bottom of 3.

This is exactly the type of draft where you want to have multiple picks...


The Franchise 03-08-2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477167)
....?

If the G.M has to turn over every rock to find a quality player....that means it's weak class.

I just want to know who all of these depth players are outside of round 1 (and even that round is "eh").

I like the depth at the DB position....that's about it.

I like the depth at the WR position as well.

The Franchise 03-08-2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9477168)
...

And we don't have a second round pick.

Dorsey better hope to God that he can trade down.

Rausch 03-08-2013 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9477171)
And we don't have a second round pick.

Dorsey better hope to God that he can trade down.

I think that's the plan.

There are a ton of edge rushers/4-3 D ends that will go in the first two rounds.

There are a ton of OT's that will go the first two rounds (and I don't think we've evaluated that as a huge position of need.)

We clearly don't appear ready to go QB early so that's a ton of talent falling to us...

RunKC 03-08-2013 12:24 PM

Next years draft will be much better. Great players like Jadevon Clowney, Marquise Lee and Teddy Bridgewater all deserve to go #1.

Damn.

The Franchise 03-08-2013 12:29 PM

Ok.....I'm probably going to open a can of worms.....but what has Bridgewater done to deserve to go #1?

LoneWolf 03-08-2013 12:35 PM

What I noticed is that Baltimore killed in the first round of those drafts. Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, and Jamal Lewis is a pretty nice haul. I hope we can look back in a few years and say that Dorsey had the same type of success.

Rausch 03-08-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9477215)
Ok.....I'm probably going to open a can of worms.....but what has Bridgewater done to deserve to go #1?

Nothing...

Bowser 03-08-2013 02:18 PM

I can't remember the draft from five years ago much less ones from the last century.

luv 03-08-2013 03:34 PM

I admittedly don't know much about the draft, but how can we compare this year's whenever it hasn't happened yet?

saphojunkie 03-08-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9477135)
And who are these Quality guys later in the draft?

There is barely a handful of guys at the top of the draft that are quality.

You could have said this exact same thing in 2000. And the answer would have been "Tom Brady."

And I, for one, believe that more than one Tom Brady has gone undrafted, improperly developed, or simply never found the right system/coach.

Because even AFTER the patriots drafted him - when they saw him in their system. When they had him on the practice field and saw what he could do...

They still thought he was a backup.

Nobody knows nothing.

My point is not that we should address the QB position by trying to find Tom Brady in the sixth round. my point is that this is, at the end of the day, just an educated guess. You can try to make it the most educated guess possible, but it's still a guess and every single team gets it wrong at least once every single year.

KChiefs1 03-08-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 9477116)
Five years from now this could be looked at as one of the best drafts in decades. Everyone is just talking out of their asses right now <---even this guy.

The thread bumps from this draft will be historic!

Pasta Little Brioni 03-08-2013 04:40 PM

Keep f'n doubting Geno Smith

Pasta Little Brioni 03-08-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9477215)
Ok.....I'm probably going to open a can of worms.....but what has Bridgewater done to deserve to go #1?

Not been available for the Chiefs to pick

RunKC 03-08-2013 04:44 PM

Teddy Bridgewater is gonna be a BAMF in the NFL. Wish we could draft this kid.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-08-2013 05:05 PM

He's no Luck, so he sucks.


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