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tk13 03-19-2013 08:35 PM

Mike Tomlin: Read-Option is "Flavor of the Day"
 
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PHOENIX -- The read-option may be the NFL's in vogue offensive concept, but to the league's defensive-minded coaches it's just the latest in a long line of puzzles to solve.

"I think it's the flavor of the day," Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday at the NFL owners meetings. "We will see if it's the flavor of the year. We'll see if guys are committed to getting their guys hit."

The success last year of young, athletic quarterbacks such as the Washington Redskins' Robert Griffin III, Seattle Seahawks' Russell Wilson and San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick, who led the 49ers to the Super Bowl running their version of the read-option, is thought to portend a new offensive trend toward dynamic offenses that force defenses to account for more than they're used to seeing.

But as Tomlin's comment hints, the read-option carries risk and exacts from the quarterback a physical price that the small sample size doesn't yet prove teams are willing to pay.

So while the read-option may be the hot concept of the NFL moment, opposing defenses view it instead as something to be stamped out.

"We look forward to stopping it," Tomlin said. "We look forward to eliminating it."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/90...nfl-flavor-day

Nightfyre 03-19-2013 08:36 PM

Tomlin's plan for stopping the read-option is simple. Injure the QBs.

Deberg_1990 03-19-2013 08:37 PM

Hes right about this:

"We'll see if guys are committed to getting their guys hit"

Molitoth 03-19-2013 08:40 PM

Tomlin is right.

And since The Chiefs are still stuck in 80's style football, perhaps the read-option will have come full circle by the time the chiefs move to it.

Fritz88 03-19-2013 09:04 PM

Doesn't his QB run a lot and gets hit a lot?

LoneWolf 03-19-2013 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9515035)
Doesn't his QB run a lot and gets hit a lot?

He gets hit a lot because he will stand in the pocket and wait forever for a receiver to get open, but he is far from a running QB.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-19-2013 09:16 PM

Don't let Thomlin fool you. When the other boys in kindergaten put their dicks in the guppie tank, he did too.

Brock 03-19-2013 09:18 PM

Tomlin should probably worry about his own mess.

Shogun 03-19-2013 09:19 PM

Think Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the nfl, ill trust his judgement.

Easy 6 03-19-2013 09:19 PM

Count me as another brick in the Tomlin is spot on wall... throw your option QB out there to the wolves, and we'll eat eat him, thats an AWESOME football statement and probably exactly how teams will attack it in the future... **** you Goodell, you cant change everything right away.

The read option will mostly die out just like the wildcat did, a gimmick is a gimmick, unless you have some custom made, physical find like Kaepernick able to execute it consistently without getting killed... its worthless.

Ultimately, dropback passers rule, if you cant do that... forget it.

DeezNutz 03-19-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9515054)
Tomlin should probably worry about his own mess.

Haley is on staff, so he's cool.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-19-2013 11:06 PM

Sweet Jesus I think I love this man.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-19-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun (Post 9515056)
Think Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the nfl, ill trust his judgement.

There is NO other coach in the NFL I admire more. Tomlin is the goddamned Richard Roundtree of professional football.
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Hootie 03-19-2013 11:15 PM

we'll see

the Redskins version of the read-option is a flavor of the month, I do agree

but the way the Seahawks and 49ers simply work it in is here to stay

Russell Wilson is literally the perfect QB.

Hootie 03-19-2013 11:17 PM

LMAO

Mike Tomlin is ok. I have a hard time giving too much credit to a guy who took over that Steelers team. Pretty sure Ben Roethlisberger and a team loaded with defensive talent could have made me look good as a head coach.

tk13 03-19-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515237)
we'll see

the Redskins version of the read-option is a flavor of the month, I do agree

but the way the Seahawks and 49ers simply work it in is here to stay

Russell Wilson is literally the perfect QB.

Aside from being 4'9". You can't call someone under 6 foot tall the perfect specimen at QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-19-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515241)
LMAO

Mike Tomlin is ok. I have a hard time giving too much credit to a guy who took over that Steelers team. Pretty sure Ben Roethlisberger and a team loaded with defensive talent could have made me look good as a head coach.

Sure, and Russell ****ing Wilson is the perfect QB. Great take, Dane.
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Hootie 03-19-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9515243)
Aside from being 4'9". You can't call someone under 6 foot tall the perfect specimen at QB.

Yes I can.

I guarantee he is considered the best QB in football within the next 2 years.

I think he wins a Super Bowl next year.

Hootie 03-19-2013 11:27 PM

Seahawks go 13-3 next year, at worst, and Russell Wilson wins Super Bowl MVP.

He MAY even battle for regular season MVP as well...

ThaVirus 03-19-2013 11:35 PM

When I saw Hootie had commented in this thread, I knew he'd be fellating Russel Wilson LMAO

ThaVirus 03-19-2013 11:38 PM

You have to give the nod to the 9ers as far as expectations in the NFC next season, but I'd put the Seahawks right behind them. Then probably the Giants, the Pack (solely because of Rodgers), and the Falcons bringing up the rear.

Barring a huge turnaround, which is actually very likely, everyone else is just fodder

ThaVirus 03-19-2013 11:42 PM

If I were a betting man, I'd say the Seahawks take home 11 wins next season, give or take 1. 13-3 at worst is just a bit too steep for me. They'll have two games against the 9ers and I wouldn't count the Rams as easy Ws either. I think Fisher will probably bring them to a respectable 8-8 next season. I haven't looked at the rest of their schedule, but 13 wins is just tough. Really tough.

AlexSmithDynasty 03-20-2013 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515247)
Seahawks go 13-3 next year, at worst, and Russell Wilson wins Super Bowl MVP.

He MAY even battle for regular season MVP as well...

Not sure if you're actually serious. Russell Wilson isn't really that great and out of all notable rookie qb's from this season I expect him to fall back the most from what he did last year.

LoneWolf 03-20-2013 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515245)
Yes I can.

I guarantee he is considered the best QB in football within the next 2 years.

I think he wins a Super Bowl next year.

Care to make a wager on such a bold guarantee? If not, reword your post so you don't sound like such a drooling reerun.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-20-2013 05:02 AM

Not a Thomlin fan. Playing Big Ben when he was hurt and having already had who knows how many concussions. With shit for backups. When the Chiefs go through everyone else's castoffs for years? Not a fan.

Consistent1 03-20-2013 05:31 AM

it's tough to defend that shit if done properly. That is why Tomlin is pissed. Brady and Manning aren't just automatically winning every game these days. Football is football though. I thought the Ravens would be done quickly last year and look at what happened.

Consistent1 03-20-2013 05:34 AM

I do think the 13-3 Seahawks thing is possible. Wilson is really much better than people expected. Tomlin seems like a cool guy overall, but the we're gonna hit you shit is laughable, that IS the ****ing game.

Ace Gunner 03-20-2013 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515241)
LMAO

Mike Tomlin is ok. I have a hard time giving too much credit to a guy who took over that Steelers team. Pretty sure Ben Roethlisberger and a team loaded with defensive talent could have made me look good as a head coach.

oh ya. coaching the Steelers is simple. the toughest thing to remember is letting other teams win the championship more often than your team does.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9515446)
Not a Thomlin fan. Playing Big Ben when he was hurt and having already had who knows how many concussions. With shit for backups. When the Chiefs go through everyone else's castoffs for years? Not a fan.

Explain to me how this post is supposed to make sense?
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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9515459)
oh ya. coaching the Steelers is simple. the toughest thing to remember is letting other teams win the championship more often than your team does.

Well, Lil Chiefy, at least they get one per decade minimum.
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GoChargers 03-20-2013 11:00 AM

I'm not so sure the read option is just a fad. Considering how ingrained the option is at the college level now and how the 2000's rule changes have seemed to put a premium on offensive skill players at the expense of the trenches, I don't really see mobile QB's and the option falling out of favor in the NFL anytime soon.

rageeumr 03-20-2013 11:05 AM

I think read option can be viable with the right guy. Wilson is a good example. He just seems to have a knack for avoiding big hits. He is shifty enough to get a lot of glancing blows and he gets out of bounds a lot.

RGIII is the antithesis. Dude is always getting lit up. He won't last running the offense they tried to run last year.

Kaepernick is somewhere in the middle.

I still think you're taking years off a guy's career by running the read option, though. Look at the shelf life of NFL running backs vs. quarterbacks and tell me how often you REALLY want your QB running the ball....

Chris Meck 03-20-2013 11:42 AM

Tomlin's absolutely right. If your QB is a ball carrier, he's not going to last long. Every decade or so, a guy comes along (or in this case, 3 guys come along) and everyone declares that the game has changed-but it hasn't really, not for long. Just go ask Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, and RGIII. NFL really does stand for 'NOT FOR LONG' if you're going to subject your QB to that kind of abuse.
Scrambling to buy time for receivers to clear is one thing. Carrying the ball through the line of scrimmage is another entirely.
These guys will not last long like this.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9514966)
Tomlin's plan for stopping the read-option is simple. Injure the QBs.

Duh.

There's no way for a defense, which is by it's very nature reactive, to deal with a true 11 on 11 situation; for the defense to have any chance at all, one of those guys has to be taken out of 'coverage'. When the QB can also run, we see the results; trying to put a spy on him puts everyone else at a decided disadvantage.

There truly is only one solution to the numbers game - raw deterrence. Sure - run your QB. We're going to !@#$ him up.

Tomlinson's absolutely right.

Once again - there have been plenty of great young running QBs. There are very few great old running QBs.

Easy 6 03-20-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rageeumr (Post 9515916)
I think read option can be viable with the right guy. Wilson is a good example. He just seems to have a knack for avoiding big hits. He is shifty enough to get a lot of glancing blows and he gets out of bounds a lot.

RGIII is the antithesis. Dude is always getting lit up. He won't last running the offense they tried to run last year.

Kaepernick is somewhere in the middle.

I still think you're taking years off a guy's career by running the read option, though. Look at the shelf life of NFL running backs vs. quarterbacks and tell me how often you REALLY want your QB running the ball....

I pretty much agree with this, you can get away with it more often with the right guy, although i'd say kaepernick is just as good as wilson at avoiding or minimizing the biggest hits, plus his size probably helps absorb some of that better.

But like you say/allude to, even with guys who have the knack... its just a matter of time before they get hulk smashed, and thats really not something a team should want to build their offensive philosophy around, because its going to cost dearly at some point.

To me, the best bet is just have your passer pass and only run it when a play breaks down or a no-brainer opening manifests.

Hootie 03-20-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty (Post 9515430)
Not sure if you're actually serious. Russell Wilson isn't really that great and out of all notable rookie qb's from this season I expect him to fall back the most from what he did last year.

I bet you plenty of GM's would take Russell over Andrew Luck.

Hootie 03-20-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9515444)
Care to make a wager on such a bold guarantee? If not, reword your post so you don't sound like such a drooling reerun.

what kind of wager? It will always be a subjective statement. I think Peyton is better than Brady. Many don't agree.

I think within two years there will be a debate between who is the best between two QB's...Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers.

BlackHelicopters 03-20-2013 03:04 PM

Tomlin has other worries: Who is Ben raping tonight?

mikey23545 03-20-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515245)
Yes I can.

I guarantee he is considered the best QB in football within the next 2 years.

I think he wins a Super Bowl next year.

LMAO


Russel Wilson within the next two years:


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/293/tombstonecv.jpg

houstonwhodat 03-20-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9515241)
LMAO

Mike Tomlin is ok. I have a hard time giving too much credit to a guy who took over that Steelers team. Pretty sure Ben Roethlisberger and a team loaded with defensive talent could have made me look good as a head coach.



This.

He is right about the read option though.

As soon as someone gets their clock cleaned big time it will come to an end.

Plus next year defenses will have prepared for it.

Joe Seahawk 03-20-2013 06:21 PM

The Seahawks run the read option about 8-10 plays per game, they just work it in to keep the DE on his heels, I think it's brilliant personally, and Russel is extremely good at it.

The Skins and Niners run it too much IMO..

I would love a Superbowl rematch with the Steelers.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9516382)
I bet you plenty of GM's would take Russell over Andrew Luck.

Sweet mother of ****; did you really type this shit?
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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9516404)
Tomlin has other worries: Who is Ben raping tonight?

A raping Quarterback is better than another "nice guy who works hard at his craft"!
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Dayze 03-20-2013 09:57 PM

He had 99 problems but an option ain't one

Tribal Warfare 03-20-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9517282)
A raping Quarterback is better than another "nice guy who works hard at his craft"!
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I'd rather have a ****in piece of shit one who sucks the penis, but plays at a HOF level QB then a great guy but is horrible at his job.

Consistent1 03-20-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9517276)
Sweet mother of ****; did you really type this shit?
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If Russell has another great year, sure. He was pretty much fantastic.

Demonpenz 03-20-2013 10:18 PM

later on Tomlin said *Sniff Sniff* STANK.......Hambone.

Valiant 03-20-2013 10:26 PM

Sure.. Any one system that relies solely on a limited factor will fail.. It will evolve in the NFL to a just more mobile pocket passer, especially with what the rules allow..

They said the same thing about any mobile QB ever.. Yes, having your QB get 800+ yards rushing will limit his career.. But most of those guys will adjust.. Kind of like the Pats and Steelers have adjusted with their QBs and systems..

Chief Roundup 03-20-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9516382)
I bet you plenty of GM's would take Russell over Andrew Luck.

That is the reason he lasted until the 3rd round.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9517322)
I'd rather have a ****in piece of shit one who sucks the penis, but plays at a HOF level QB then a great guy but is horrible at his job.

This! A dirty mother****er! Pimpin the hoes on the team bus! Passing out Swishers and St. Ides at the victory parties! Baby I got your money, don't you worry!
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Brock 03-20-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9516382)
I bet you plenty of GM's would take Russell over Andrew Luck.

You are a goddamn reerun.

Walrus 03-20-2013 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9516382)
I bet you plenty of GM's would take Russell over Andrew Luck.

Why?

Dylan 03-21-2013 12:37 AM

Mike Shanahan, speaking to reporters at the NFC coaches meeting on Redskins’ offensive system:

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“You’re always going to grow from your first year to your second year. There’s a lot of areas that you grow in. . . . The one thing he is going to have to learn how to do is how to slide, how to throw the football away, how to protect himself. . . . You can’t take shots consistently in the National Football League.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...b49_story.html

WaPo comment: In other words, Bob, "you're on your own..."

LOL


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