Just how valuable is a QB?
 

This poll has obvious "ulterior" motives - but play it out.

Would you rather have a Top 5 QB in the current NFL or the greatest left tackle of all time or the greatest pass-rusher of all time?

Poll forthcoming.

Well you will have Alex Smith and Joeckel. So you will have two of those next year.

pretty valuable.

Aaron Rodgers.

Not even remotely close.

Really?

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for Munoz, Jones, and Alex Smith.

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"Or a woman"

I'm so torn between these decision.

Who the **** voted for Deacon Jones!!

Can more than 20 percent of people even name Rodgers Tackles the year they won the Super Bowl?

If I get Munoz, does it mean I can cut the Top 10 left tackle I already have? Cause if so that sounds awesome.

I forgot to check. How'd the drug test go?

Well you will have a vagina that reeks of garbage. So you will have that.

As great as they were at their individual positions Munoz and Jones never won a Championship.

Rodgers = Difference Maker.

Drew Brees > Rodgers

Well they haven't got back to me, my rapid test passed. I take phentermine and it showed up on my rapid test. I had the prescription though. All good I assume.

That phentermine packs a punch huh?

Was Bulaga the RT? I think that was his rookie season, then he got hurt the next year I think. The LT I have no idea, without cheating of course.

So, I guess my point is:
None of the tackles in this draft have Munoz potential.
None of the pass rushers will take the GOAT title from Deacon Jones.
Geno Smith has Aaron Rodgers upside.

If it is so obvious to us, surely it would be to certain NFL executives and coaches as well, right?

Would be shitty otherwise. GL

qb is not worth taking a risk on in round 1

only defensive lineman are

/chiefs

I rotated all for tires, put a new engine in my car, cooked for 300 veterans, dug a 8 ft swimming with a spoon all in one day.


Where do you live I wanna go for a jog I'll swing by? Which state you in? Be there in a few. On my way.

Well you are a homer dude, we wouldn't expect any less. But I do remember the Monday night game to start the season after the Packers SB run where Rodgers beat Bree's. :thumb:

But, I think they are both great. I remember telling my son when Bree's was at Purdue I thought he would be a good pro and it would be cool if he ended up with the Chiefs cause that's where Len Dawson played College ball.

Any talk down there if/when Lombardi's great grandson is gonna get some looks at Getting promoted or OC somewhere?

It is "so obvious" that Geno Smith is potentially the next Aaron Rodgers?

Seriously?

It is obvious that Aaron Rodgers is a realistic ceiling to assign to Geno Smith. Yes.

Ah, wonder what it feels like to draft a franchise elite QB?

I'm not against drafting a QBOTF, But we have learned these guys are a 50/50 bet. After the comments from the "experts" pre-draft about JaMarcus Russell and then what The majority of CP wanted in 2010.... Jimmy Clausen. Seriously, if there are folks here now that weren't then, the love was just as great and look how that turned out.

So, giving any comparisons, ceilings or not to a rookie from a SB MVP like Rodgers is just silly.

QB is everything.

Scott Pioli voted for Deacon Jones.

You'll soon know.
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I'm not saying Geno will be a HoF player or anything, but I don't remember the hype of Clausen even being half of the Geno hype on this board....

:rolleyes:

Geno Smith has the arm strength, mobility, and accuracy which compare to Aaron Rodgers. He also happens to throw really well on the run and from multiple arm angles like Rodgers. To say that his ceiling is Rodgers is not a stretch. It is certainly possible that he will never reach it. On the other hand, he has a chance to.

This.

I would rather chance that then a lt or dt.

How valuable is it? At least 2 to 3 times more valuable than QBs were 15 yrs ago. Game has changed to allow the QB to shine

"just as great?" Certainly ****ing not.

The Chiefs may never know

It would be nice for our franchise to take a risk. A risk that I believe would guarantee a full stadium for years to come!

Touches the ball most offensive plays, punts not withstanding. Very valuable.

wtf?

I'd go with Rodgers.

However, I better give a shout out to Deacon Jones the bullfighter who saved my ass in Fort Worth Texas back in 2003.

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:spock: Your premise seems flawed.

In the modern NFL? QB, and it isn't even close. Go ask the Colts how important a QB is. Or the Broncos.

Rodgers, every day of the week and twice on sunday.

Here's another way to consider the OP:

If someone created a pass rusher in the lab that was capable of a 40 sack season, would you trade him for a franchise QB?

If someone created a left tackle in the lab that would give up one pressure every four games, would you trade him for a franchise QB?

Aaron Rodgers...not close.

We've had a Hall of Fame DE and OT on the team and we did not win the Super Bowl, but we did with a HOF QB.....not even close.

Give me Damon Huard and Lawrence Taylor and i could win some games.

When it is all said and done, I wonder if the Rams will regret getting a haul of players and passing on RGIII?

Who are the trolls that voted against Rodgers?

No, but only because the Redskins seem hell bent on breaking him.

A more representative question of the issue would be...

All things being equal, would you rather take a 2% chance on the next Aaron Rodgers who's probably just a decent starter, or a 50% chance on an All Pro caliber tackle, who's probably just going to be a very good tackle.

Keep in mind, you do have picks in the future where you can take a shot at future Aaron Rodgers who might have a higher than 2% chance of hitting.

Becomes a bit cloudier, doesn't it.

And worst of all Alex Smith is backed up by Stanzi?

Are you kidding me? and don't even get started on that midget with 6 passes under his belt in 4 years.

Daniels was undrafted, cut 5 times by 2 different teams and he's the backup to Alex Smith going down and people are OK with this?

FML

Yes

Also, add into it that your family JUST moved into Kansas City, is getting settled, and your job is likely on the line with the QB you draft, which also precludes you from taking any other high-ranking QB prospects in the next two years, even if their percentage of Rodgering would be higher.

We get lifetime tenures as fans. It is not that easy for coaches, who have to calculate risk into everything they do.

So now Geno Smith has a 2% chance of being the next Aaron Rodgers but Joeckel has a 50% chance of being an All Pro LT? ****ing stupid.

You also have future picks to spend on that 50% shot at an All Pro LT. You know....the one from the same team and is a better OT overall.

That's not a very accurate estimation where Chase Daniel is now as an NFL player.

Dorsey and Reid are getting 4-5 years minimum. The only way they don't is not winning more than 3-4 games per season. Plus they have Alex Smith for 2 years. Their best situation right now is to take Geno....because if Smith and Smith don't work out in 2-3 years....they'll have one more legitimate shot to draft a QB.

All Pro caliber, at least, yes.

You could.

But the debate isn't about the LT, really. It's about do you want to hamstring your chances at drafting a franchise QB in the next two years by spending 1.1 on a 2% chance of an All Pro QB? A guy with some serious bust potential, at that?

I don't agree with the decision Reid is making, but to claim it's incomprehensible is wrong.

I don't disagree with the last part of your post.

But there was no clause in Reid's contract guaranteeing him 4-5 years minimum. If I'm Andy Reid, I absolutely cannot act like I'm getting half a decade for free.

Here is my main problem with this offseason. A good majority of the posters who are "Geno fanatics" are legitimately saying that there is about a 5% chance that we draft him. The people who are against Geno are saying that there is a 0% chance that we draft him. Who is more realistic?

No one knows shit.

But I love how Geno is at 2% and Joeckel is at 50%. FWIW.....every ****ing player in this draft is at 50% because no one knows shit.

In today's NFL - QB is the most important position on the team. There are a bunch of idiots here, but we all seem to grasp that concept according to the poll...

The team is the car - the driver is the QB...

That's fair.

Not... entirely. It's not a complete crapshoot.

BTW, I'd say the odds we draft Geno are 5%. The odds we draft Joeckel are 75%.

But that's not the argument this thread is having.

Yes I am a homer no doubt.

Don't know about Lombardi, he's pretty happy in New Orleans especially now that Sean Payton is back.

I don't think it was Rodgers that beat Brees, our defense blew it as usual.

Both are great but I prefer Brees over Rodgers.

Rodgers is a little too smug for me, at least Brees is humble.

I expect the Saints to be back in the playoffs this year and hopefully Rob Ryan will get the defense worked out.

/conversation...

That's the unrealistic simplifying assumption that the pro-Geno guys make precisely because they don't know shit.* The important part of that sentence that people around here tend to ignore is the "unrealistic" part. By making that simplifying assumption, as baseless as it is, you get to move on to the positional value argument and at that point the QB always wins.

But it's not true that no one knows shit. The vast majority of people who do this for a living agree that Luke Joeckel rates above Geno Smith on a BPA scale. Even the GMs who are telling Mel Kiper that Geno Smith will be drafted in the top 10 think of him as more of a 20-32 ranked player, for example. But almost everyone agrees that Luke Joeckel is a top 5 player (conservatively speaking) on a BPA list.

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* BTW, I'd be the first to admit that I don't know shit either, but I don't discount all of the information from draft experts that we have available to us just because I don't like what they're saying. It's overwhelming.

And you're basing this off of what? Mock Drafts?

Until they play a down they are only a chance at a great player.

At any position...

This.

I love watching Brees play.

Watch this:

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His arm is well rested

I missed the part where Brees did something Rodgers doesn't.

Let me know when Brees develops and arm to rifle some of the throws Rodgers does.

I'd say that's an accurate estimation...

Basing what? The relative positions of Joeckel and Geno on BPA lists? If so, I'm basing it on the analysis and reporting that's gone on throughout this off-season. The thing I mentioned about Kiper came from his most recent podcast. But that's just an example of the same concept that's been repeatedly reported this off-season. There are a few outliers who have claimed that Geno Smith deserves to be considered among the top players in this draft, but the majority have him significantly lower even if there is quite a bit of sentiment that he'll be over-drafted because he's a QB. Almost no one says that Joeckel deserves to be considered anything less than top 5 (and to be honest, I haven't seen anyone saying he's less than top 3).

Not all chances are created equal.

That doesn't make them all equal draft prospects. I'm not even sure why you bothered to type that.

Odds are still only odds...

Fcking hilarious

Cool.

Tell you what, we'll GM two different teams.

I'll draft all the prospects that have a pretty good chance of panning out.

You can draft all the prospects that have a poor chance of panning out.

We'll see who's better in five years.

Because teams don't go by "value draft" charts.

They don't and they never will.

Teams don't care who's rated where by any media outlet. Not even the one we decide to value most.

Each team has it's own value on every player and it's impossible to know where the true "value" is for any player.

All that matters is how many players you did or didn't add to your team...

Ok, but you only get 1 pick in each round...