Pass 1st Andy my Ass
 

Fisher better run blocker than jokel
Kelce one of the best run blockers in draft
Big RB with Davis
Braden Wilson mauler of a full back
Looks to me like the Chiefs plan on dropping the blade on the road grader ala' the 49ers

Can't be a pass first team with Alex Smith.

This x 10,000:thumb:

Oh, we will still try to pass first.


What happens as a result is still a question mark.

He'll do it anyway. Andy Reid is a horrible gameday coach.

Yep, we are going to run the **** over everyone.

Jamaal in fantasy here I cum

With Smith at QB....the consistent threat of real running game is imperative. If they can run the rock, Smith will have a good year....and so will the Chiefs. Play action all day could lead to a Pro-Bowl for Smith.

Key will be the contributions of Davis (other RBs): can they give Charles a breather....enough to keep Charles healthy.

Why did everyone hype up this Reid deal? He's not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He's an arrogant prick that thinks the world evolves around him. Hunt gave him way too much power, I bet he called 6 players in this draft. Dorsey has no power over Reid.

agreed.

Better build up that line, get some depth at RB, and field a top 3 (minimum) defense if Alex is the QB for the long haul.

It CAN work. But it is known as the hard way to win a SB. Baltimore did it in 2000. Maybe a better example is the 2002 Bucs sense there is no way the Chiefs will build a D as great those 2000 Ravens.

Agreed.

Dorsey doesn't appear any better.

Reid didn't send 2 picks to SF for Alex Smith.

Reid didn't give a ridiculous contract to a punter.

Reid didn't get played by the Dolphins in a trade.

This.
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I have watched the Eagles completely turn games around in the second half.


Isn't that a sign of good coaching?

It's one thing to say you're gonna run it's another thing to actually do it in the heat of the moment.

if this wasn't the OP's first and only needed clue...then.....

Alex Smith is like Matt Cassel

He must be protected by a running game, good Oline and surprise.

we need to be able to run the ball even when the defense is geared for it.

Smith will only pass when we chose to

Heh, some of you guys act like Reid is Rich Kotite.

He's won 130 games in the NFL.

too bad the last 130 games he has gone roughly 65-65

was from 1999 until what....maybe 2007 or 08 that he racked up the wins?

and that was thanks to an almost 10 year window of ya know, finding and drafting a first round QB and not using a veteran scrap retread.

Solid O Line and a running game. Pretty simple really.

True, but other coaches have gone on to success again once they started over in other cities.

I bet we call plenty of 1st down pass plays. We can be a pass first team and still be balanced. That's what DV did. Pass to a lead and then increase the run as the game goes on.

He's not Romeo or Pioli.

I see that as Reid built a damn good team with a good QB and they had a good long run. Then they got old and didn't do a good job of proliferating the roster. Which isn't easy to do. Since he's starting over I think Reid will get this team heading the right direction immediately.

Our last 2-3 coaches have been such tremendous failures it was kind of hard not to improve.

:LOL:

You ****ing morons don't get it.

18 TD, 3200-yard QBs don't go to Pro Bowls.

that's our main hope

Haley wasn't smart enough to pass early so we could pass on our own terms later.

Run,Run,Pass,Punt actually puts MORE pressure on your QB, not less.


Our main hope is that Reid is much better at assembling/running an offense

And when Smith put those numbers up, he didn't have the same supporting cast he'll have next year....

He found a first-round QB (1.1 no less).

McNabb was the 2nd pick

We have Dwayne Bowe and a bunch of guys.

Sorry, but the 49ers had better receivers.

18 or 19 td would be a 10% or 20% improvement on his 1.0 td per game average

Am I the only one optimistic about 2013?

I don't think Reid believes Smith is the answer but he was the best available for a team with talent that is in their prime. I think we'll draft a QB high next year. I was hoping this year but this was a weird class overall. I didn't really say dang I wish we could've had this guy or that guy...:huh:

The OP is silly.

Reid will still try to pass first. He always has, he's been in the league for a long damned time and has never done anything but pass first.

Whether we'll succeed throwing with this roster is another question.

You could almost say our WRs are better as a group than Reid had in Philly before TO arrived and they were winning 11, 12 games still.

James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell.

point a. you ripping people for their opinion.

Your fail is though, that the 49ers had the number one rushing attack in football under alex smith, usually were leading in the second half, and didnt have to throw.

You dont know your ass from a gopher hole Clay. You are just a bitter ****, who really just needs a really good ass whipping, and someone to cut off your dial up......Get a life....

**** off. Alex Smith is going to fail hard for this franchise and when he does...I'm going to reach clear up your sphincter, into your body cavity and rip out all your innards in a bloody, glorious explosion.

Metaphorically speaking, of course....

again, you dont know shit. The 49ers had crabtree.......vernon was ignored, delanie walker dropped as many passes as he caught. Randy Moss was a decoy. Manningham was occasionally looked at. You just dont know as much as you think you do. You really dont......like, at all.

Vernon was ignored?

that was Alex's favorite target, straight to check down Vernon

hes not going to fail. Hes not going to be drew brees, or aaron rodgers, but what he is going to do, is keep the chiefs in ball games. You know it, and I know it. Even if he is asked to throw more, hes still not going to turn the ball over. So, either way. Its a win win for the chiefs. Sorry that you cant get out of your own way......

Do some research before you stick your own dick in your mouth. Last year, alexs most targeted receiver, was Michael Crabtree.

In 2011, his most targeted receiver, was michael crabtree. He threw at him 121 times in 2011, his next target was vernon in the 60's

You chiefs fans, you know the same ones that told me over and over and over that you didnt want to hear shit from a 49ers fan, this is exactly why you needed to hear from one, because your misconception of what alex smith was the last year and a half under harbaugh, was severely LACKING.

You're really an ignorant **** !

Andy's "pass first" team means to his running backs.

2010 RB LeSean McCoy lead the team with 78 catches.
2007 RB Brian Westbrook lead the team with 90 catches.
2006 RB Brian Westbrook lead the team with 77 catches.
2005 RB Brian Westbrook lead the team with 61 catches.
2005 RB Brian Westbrook had 73 catches.

Now you know why he wanted Alex Smith. This is what Alex does.

This is why you just drafted a speedy receiving back.

Kelce could be our Vernon

Reid and Dorsey looked at our last few years of redzone offense. I am sure that Fisher and Kelce are supposed to give a chance to knock somebody off the ball when a run play is called in the redzone.

One thing about the DV years, with our O-line and Jason Dunn, Chiefs were one of the best at rushing for redzone TDs and would be nice to see that again.

This is precisely why I was relieved that the Chargers didn't hire him when he was begging for the job.

alex smith sucks. he lost his job to guy with a sphincter name--colon.

LMAO Why would somebody follow such a mediocre QB to another teams board? I mean really, it's ****ing pathetic at best.
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Don't Fear Bray's Here

Seriously, how does someone so mediocre have such a devoted fanclub? It's like if Norv Turner had fans.

No, but the Chargers have a couple.

ROFL oh shit....
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You guys are looking at this all wrong. He didn't draft Fisher because he's a run blocker, he drafted him because he's a superior physical specimen.

Look at their draft, it's full of players with an outstanding physical skillset and limited productivity.

IMO, their picks have little to do with implementing a power running game, and everything to do with taking players with great physical ability and can be coached up.

Where did he beg for the SD job?

Solid plan, glad he's duplicating it here in KC.

Oh wait...

Good point. It sure would be sweet to start fielding a nasty ****ing team again. Just the meanest, douchiest mother****ers west of the Mississippi nasty.
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Excellent point.

Take the guys with the highest upside and let our coaching staff get to work.

We might actually be in business in a couple of years.
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Well after last year for allowing LeSean McCoy to disappear he may have realized his error and is over compensating but I suspect we will see a lot 'dink and dunk' WC to Charles, Dex and Kelce and an occasional 20 yder to Bowe.

I'm fired up for the this "Farmland Fury" offense !!!!!

Bingo ! Having the players who can kick ass and get to the 2nd and 3rd level easily.

With Donovan McNabb and in an NFL where you could jam and where he had Jim Johnson as his DC along with freakishly good secondaries.

Could not be a bigger apples/oranges comparison.

Your mediocre qb cock face. My team has a FRANCHISE qb. Do you even know what that looks like?

He was already lining up a coaching staff for the SD job before he even had an interview scheduled...

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...-chargers-job/

I think Andy is to stubborn for that and really we can't just run,run, pass in today's NFL. We gotta be better than that.

These WR's gotta step up and help (and TE's) but mainly Baldwin. He has to give Bowe a legit guy across from him. If that happens, I think we will have a successful season. I'm expecting the D to be "epic" :clap:

If we do just that, it will help amazingly. Gotta keep the D off balance. Think how many times since '09 it looks like everyone knows what we are doing every play.

ROFL

What are everyone's expectations for the D this year?

These numbers, 18 and 3200 are not his highest rates of production. They weren't for 16 games, either. My point? When predicting a QBs numbers, we look at 16 games. In general, we can predict he'll be injured or that he'll be benched, fine, but that's not helpful in determining capabilities, etc. To go to a coach who passes considerably more, over a 16 games season, I'd expect more.

Just for sake of argument, here's Smith's outputs in yards and TDs if extrapolated to 16 games, in offenses that pass LESS often than Reid's offense (more passes = more TDs/INT/Yards). Parenthesis are numbers if adjusted for "quarters of play" not games. I will explain the rationale for each below.

2006: 2890 yards, 16 TDs, 16 INTs
2007: 2437 yards, 5 TDs, 11 INTs (2459 yards, 5 TDs, 5 INTs)
2009: 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs (3581 yards, 27 TDs, 18 INTs)
2010: 3447 yards, 20 TDs, 14.5 INTs (3700 yards, 22 TDs, 16 INTs)
2011: 3144 yards, 17 TDs, 5 INTs
2012: 3088 yards, 23 TDs, 9 INTs (3270 yards, 24.5 TDs, 9 INTs)

I tried to be fair in calculations, here are my explanations.

2005: Left out because I don't think it's relevant. He was terrible, numbers can't express how bad.
2006: He played every snap (first Niners QB to do that), so no change here.
2007: I included this, though I think when 2/3 of the season you are playing with a torn throwing shoulder, it's not very probative. I extrapolated pre-torn shoulder in the parenthesis.
2009: He played one half of one game, so I adjusted it in the parenthesis.
2010: He missed one half of one game and was put in one quarter of another. Took the non-played quarters out for the parenthesis.
2011: Kaepernick played too little to adjust.
2012: He played one quarter and one half series (partial drive ending in his TD throw) in one game and threw one pass in another (with victory formation after that). That is 1.2 quarters rounded to two for compromise. I did not take out the Kaepernick plays in other games, though they did account for a bit over a quarter when you add them up. (22 QB pass or runs, not including handoffs.)

My point? He was on pace for 26-27 TDs in 2009 and 23-25 TDs in 2012. I would base my expectations on a number higher than 18.

The range of numbers in the last four years: 3000-3700 yards, 17-27 TDs, and 5-17 INTs. All over the place, but INTs are trending better.

Going by the last four years (pre and post Harbaugh) and an elevated number of pass attempts would lead to these numbers: 323-520, 62.1%, 3625 yards, 7.0 YPA, 24 TDs, 12 INTs, 88.7 rating.

Last Two Years: 334-520, 64.3%, 3828 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 95.3 rating.

520 was in the middle of Reid's average and Smith's max.

Note: I did these numbers awhile ago on another message board. Except for the first paragraph, I just copied and pasted a few posts together. Didn't mean to have such a long post nor did I spend such a long time on one post. :)

Ah, so you now admit he is trash. You're learning. Good on you.
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Guys, Andy Reid didn't come here to totally change the way he goes about the business of football. He's not going to turn into Marty Shottenheimer circa 1990. He's going to do what Andy Reid does, and he's going to bench any QB that can't get it done, just like he always has.

We'll hold you to this. Bookmark it.
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get ready for rrpp