we have 2"franchise" LTs
 

so what the **** do we do with them

train fisher and trade albert?

any bright ideas
and if Q FAQ

Pretty sure we'll just keep Fisher at RT this year.

Trade Albert off next year or let him walk. Or, even better, sign him to a fat guard contract.

Are we allowed to keep albert for this year and then tag him again next year and attempt the same trade? I don't see the need to free up the capspace as much now, as we got our 2 down ILB

We can tag Albert again. But his pricetag goes up from 9mil to 11mil.

This. $$ always talks. BA doesn't give a sh** about whatever position he plays he just wants to be shown the $$.

how good is the kid?
albert is good but not great

is he still saying he won't move position?
can we even get a second out of him|?

Let them dominate for Charles and prepare for Bray :)

Throwing money at the problem at least prevents mock drafters from giving us ****ing offensive linemen next year

Alberts gone after this year unless he just wants to accept a deal that's less than he wanted.

We aren't gonna FRANCHISE him again...Dorsey didn't wat to give him a Duane Brown contract...

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8/16/2012: Signed a seven-year, $56.2 million contract. The deal contains $22.08 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million signing bonus. 2013: $2.5 million, 2014: $6 million, 2015-16: $7 million, 2017: $9.65 million, 2018: $9.75 million, 2019: Free Agent

Albert gets 9.8 this year and would get over 11 next year, if tagged again.

If they would be willing to do that, why NLT just hand over that Duane Brown deal and be done with it?

Two years on the tag (which is a fully guaranteed one year deal) would be really close to what Dhane got in guaranteed money.

They tagged him to trade him and got stuck holding the bag.

Albert's gonna be very well paid, but he's gonna play his ass off for a long term contract. I expect he'll be LT this season, and Fisher will be RT.

So, the chiefs official site has fisher listed as "offensive line". I am going to be pretty upset if we drafted anything but a LT at 1.1

FYP

Albert is a good possibility to re-sign. Maybe this situation humbled him and he realizes the "Albert Market" if bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us still trade Albert later on for a 2nd next year.

If we don't, as someone pointed out even Willie Roaf played RT his first year...

**** it, the talent in this draft sucked ass. Sign Albert long term and just have stud bookends. In 3-4 years move Fisher over and draft a new RT with 1.1.

Just for the record, for 9+ million, Albert will play wherever the **** they tell him to.

Or... he can sit out a year, lose that, and see what he's worth next season.

Obviously, nobody thought he was worth a 2nd This season.

so what the hell, we got 2 semi franchise LT's
we spent 1.1 onna a position we don't need
I am frustrated and confused
cause at 1.12 this ****er better be on the field opening day
but whre do you put him guard?
RT

Albert needs to realize his age and acknowledge his back spasms aren't likely to just go away.

Next offseason, he will be 30 (in NFL terms, as he will turn 30 during the season) and a lot of teams with need at LT filled it in this draft.

He will be shopping his services to a limited market.

I'd bet real money that Branden Alberts best chance at a respectable long term contract will be by signing one to play in KC...even if it's a little less than he wants.

Not crazy about Fisher, but if you got an issue with this OT situation you got issues. This is awesome. Should be a good oline and screen team. Excited about our coaching.

Seriously. Just because he's getting 9 mil doesn't mean he gets to pick and choose where he plays.

Albert has a much better chance at succeeding at LG than if he has to play RT.

The difference between LT and RT is night and day and I don't think Albert is cut out to play the right side...but that he can be a pro bowl quality left guard.

Fisher
Albert
Hudson
Asamoah
Allen/Stephenson

If Albert is traded, give Lilja another call and let him battle it out with Swartz.

I wonder if Fisher playing RT would be bad for him playing LT with muscle memory and such.
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I'm all for reinventing the wheel(which is why I wanted Chip Kelly) so trying dual high level Tackles who are both athletic might offer some unique offensive designs

Start 2 left tackles?

GET MONEY

The franchise LT that isn't worth a 2nd round pick.

"Franchise" must mean something other than what I thought it did.

Im prepared to speculate that Albert won't ever get his big deal. Still, 9.3 for one year then whatever mid-market deal he can negotiate next year aint bad for a dude in his late 20s with a dodgy back.

If Albert plays anywhere but LT, he will give as much effort as

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Poor Albert, back in the same spot he was in college. I bet if he gets traded that team somehow winds up with an all-pro LT as well. He should just accept that God wants him at guard.

He better play wherever they tell him too play and keep his mouth shut.

Is that what you do if your boss asks to clean the toilets?

That's right. And if I don't like it, I'm going to be told to not let the door hit me in the ass.

Seriously, good for him.

Cool, looks like you really know your place. Super noble.

Omg...We drafted a RT at 1.1...Dorsey should die, no more ribs for Andy, I need an enema.

Bray QBOTF

I'd prefer we sign Albert to a 4-5 year contract and solidify the line for a bit, but I fully expect someone to lose an OT during training camp or preseason and offer up the right set of picks to KC then...

Trade Albert and try to grab a first or second rounder in 2014. Then sign Tyson Clabo, Winston Justice, or Sean Locklear. Do it whenever the opportunity strikes. I don't see the point of spending $10M on a right tackle just to ease Fisher along.

nfl no diffrent then my job!!!

wouldn't be much of a battle. Schwartz is a lot better than Lilja

Hell at this point keep Albert and play them both. The question is do we line them up as bookends or do we talk Albert into playing LG. With Fisher and Albert side by the left side of our line would be awesome. Of course having bookends would be awesome too.

I think it will be awkward in practice for them both but if Fisher shuts up and be a good rooky to start at RT Brandon Albert will be happy at least for this year @ LT.

I think Brandon Albert feels like playing LT is a prestiges gig and likes the respect he and money he gets for playing LT. He has done it last five years and doesn't want to feel going backwards in his career playing football.

Which was the bigger insult. The Chiefs not paying him his asking price long term or Miami not giving up #42?

lol

Miami not giving up the #2 had to be a bigger insult in my eyes. Albert views himself as the top LT in the game, and the Phins weren't willing to trade an unproven rookie who's yet to step on an NFL field.

I'd love to sign Albert long term if his agent gets his head out of the clouds. Having both Albert and Fisher on the same line long term will resemble some of the lines we had in the late 90's and early 00's

Keep them so that they each may obtain a Chiefs Super Bowl ing. Easy.

I just assume keep Brandon Albert @ LT and play Fisher at RT as long as BA back holds up.

Absolute no excuse for our quarterback not to be successful. If not successful then point the fingers at the quarterback and not the Oline.

Brandon Albert needs to prove that he is a probowl caliber or top 3 LT in the league to deserve the kind of money he is demanding. IMO, at this point in his career he hasn't proved that.

Yeah we can expect solid dependable play from him but I don't think he will never be in the mould of an Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf or Walter Jones. He is just not dominating enough or good enough to get paid like a top tackle in the league. It's clear to me that the value he is demanding doesn't reflect his performance. He would make a good example of a player that is simply overpaid.

I know a lot of people on this board love him but I think this is a reality that most of us need to accept. It bothers me to see that he is not flexible and only wants to play one position only. That's a sign of selfishness and not really contributing to being a team player by refusing to help out the team in any way possible.

I say franchise him again next year even if the price goes up for him and Dorsey should continue to be persistent and try to get what he can for him or else let him walk and continue to try and find Olineman wherever necessary.

I do hope Dorsey and Reid pissed off Brandon Albert this year but we keep him at LT and he takes out his flustrations on DE & LBs this year with pancakes.

Move one to RT this year and never mention the revolving door of poor pass protectors that we've had on that side again. Let opposing DCs worry about how to pressure the QB without just rushing 4, and hope Smith is smart enough to expose it. An injury won't cripple the offense. If someone wants to offer a 2 + another pick in the 2014 draft next year, especially after training camp injuries, make the move.

There is no reason to force this move if we are OK cap wise...

Well, if Dorsey/Reid do what they say and it's open competition on the offensive line (as they told Schwartz that the best five will start), Albert might not even make it as a starter.

He's going to have a hard time beating out both Fisher and Stephenson, IMO.

How's a potential franchise year of riding the pine going to shape his contract demands in 2014?

Albert as a 9 million dollar olineman is starting. Guaranteed.

I really think Albert is going to be the left guard (if he's still here). I have no idea what the plan is now. They handled that entire situation really awful.

I would stick the guy at LT, have Fisher play RT (like I mentioned earlier, even Roaf played RT his first year). Fisher learns the NFL there, Albert proves his worth in a contract year at LT.

If Albert stays the full year and proves his worth and leaves via free agency next year, then you still get at worst a 2015 compensatory pick. At best, if Stephenson proves he is ready, you have until the trade deadline to deal Albert..

This.

Both Stephenson and Fisher have better OT skillsets than Albert.

I think Albert can beat out Asamoah at LG though, as Asamoah has underperformed to this point.

Tagging Albert again next year is not that big a deal

2 things needed

1. cap room
2. must trade,cut or sign him long term

You aren't going to let him play on a tag again next year so we must resolve the issue one way or another.

Albert put himself out of the ball park with his contract demands which I understand because this is his chance to make the big bucks. That's probably why he said he wasn't going to play anywhere but LT. If he were to actually sign a new contract I bet he would play where ever he was asked to after that. With Fisher at LT and Albert at LG the left side of our line would be dominant with the potential to be as good as Roaf and Waters were.

Guards get huge contracts these days. So why not try to lock Albert up long term at a decent price and play him at LT or LG. As many have said money talks and it makes no sense to trade him now.

LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Schwartz or Asamoah
RT: Stephenson

Very solid offensive line.

I really liked Shwartz at guard as a free agent coming out of Carolina a couple of years ago.

I think he can be a dominating force at RG.

If Albert was willing to sign for a decent price he would of been signed 2 years ago.

Maybe Albert will change his demands a little now after Miami turned down his contract demands. Because lets be honest, the reason the trade with Miami didn't happen is because they didn't think that Albert was a 9 million per type guy. If they did then a 2nd round pick would of be an acceptable trade price.

It remains to be seen if Stephenson is going to amount anything.

He didn't play very well (IMO), when he stepped in for Albert.

KC's not gonna give him a long-term contract; BA's back issues are sure to put him on the DL again. D&R will find another OT in next year's off-season.

I read right after the draft that Albert and the Chiefs were talking contract again. Could have been untrue I guess but it was out there.

Albert starts at LT
Fisher starts at RT

If Albert gets hurt again then Fisher slides over to LT and Stephenson fills in at RT.

Albert loses his leverage and his big contract ... probably ends up at guard with another team next year.

I wonder how much Clabo is looking for and if we can afford it.

I bet he would take a 2yr/7 million dollar contract and that would really solidify the OL.

Fisher
Albert
Hudson
Asamoah
Clabo

Reserves:
Stephenson
Allen
Schwartz
Kush

That's as solid a line as you will find in the league.

I do think if they were able to move Albert they would have sniffed around Clabo.

Surprised that Clabo is still on the market.

That guy is as solid and steady as they come.

Nobody in ATL misses him.

Nobody appreciates solid and steady.

That's exactly what I would do. You hope/assume Fisher's the long term LT solution, but right at this moment the team will be better with Albert at LT and him at RT than it would be in any other line combination I can think of. Although for me it's not about giving Fisher time to learn and it doesn't have anything to do with Albert's future. It's solely about putting the best line possible on the field.

I don't give a crap about BA's feelings. Put him at LG or RT. We want our stud 1.1 LT out there learning his craft on the job. Even if we put Albert out at LT to do is mediocre best, he would get hurt at some point and we would get stuck watching Stephenson out there because everyone would be too scared to change positions on Fisher mid season.

Seriously. **** Branden Albert

I seriously don't see why everyone wants to waste a year of Fisher's development by playing him at RT while rewarding Albert for not being a team player and having insane contract demands.

Switching SIDES is far far far harder than switching positions.

Don't believe me? Ask Geoff Schwartz...

Albert at LG makes by far the most sense. That way Schwartz isn't forced to switch sides as well. (and yes I know that still leaves us with a hole at RT for now)

Not that I disagree, but Will Shields didn't seem to have any trouble going from right to left in the days when he was our backup LT. Fisher's already played everywhere on the line at CMU so I doubt his growth will be stunted in any way. Anyway, I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm not thinking in terms of "rewarding" Albert, I'm just thinking in terms of fielding the best possible line. Personally, I think you need to throw all emotion out the window, stop thinking in terms of "screw Branden Albert, he's not a team player", understand that every angle of the situation between Albert and the Chiefs is business, and think in terms of putting the best unit on the field.

Albert
Schwartz
Hudson
Asomoah
Fisher

imo right now this is the best line we have

rumor has that Allen is going to work at tackle so he and Stephenson would be our backups at OT

Kush,matteson,lilja? as backups in the middle

I imagine Allen will work at guard as well

depth isn't what you would hope but i don't know anything about Kush

It's not emotional for me. I just don't see any point in having a make shift one year line. We KNOW Albert isn't the long term solution at LT so it makes far more sense to play the players we know we will have for many years in the positions we project them to be at years from now. I agree that Fisher would be fine at RT but there is no way in hell it doesn't set him back (at least a little) in his development as our LTOTF.

Best case is to sign Albert long term as LG or find someone to take him off our hands. I have serious doubts he would be an effective RT but he probably be a pro-bowl LG.

So you are super happy with the Alex Smith signing? Because RIGHT NOW he is by far the best QB we could have for next year.

Unless you think we are winning the Superbowl next year there is ZERO reason to play a makeshift temporary line.

Mark Schlereth compared switching from left to right to turning around and hitting from the other side of the plate in baseball.

I think you're worried too much. While it's his rookie year and not later into his career, this is to me a lot like when Tait switched to the right side in '02. He wasn't really a right tackle, and he went straight back to the left side for the Bears the following year, but at that time it's what made the most sense for the team. That was also, coincidentally, probably the best line I've ever seen. I think this is a similiar situation, though obviously different in several ways (e.g. no Roaf).

And I think Fisher would be more than 'fine' at RT. I think he could be dominant there, far and away better than anyone else we have. That's part of my logic. I think Albert on the left side and him on the right is significantly better overall than Fisher on the left side, albert inside and anybody else we have on the right.

so why have any of these players on the roster?

I mean unless they are going to be super bowl ready after Alex Smith is gone in 2 years, just cut them all and go 0-16.

better yet, just forfeit the entire season and wait until we draft again next year because we are dooooooooooooooooooomed.


Can someone loan AC a tampon because apparently he is out.