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gblowfish 05-09-2013 01:40 PM

"This is Water": A Message for New Graduates
 
David Foster Wallace was an award winning author who suffered from depression. He gave a commencement speech called "This is Water." This is a part of that speech. It's about first world problems graduates will encounter. This video runs about nine minutes, but is probably the best commencement address I've ever heard.

BTW: Wallace committed suicide by hanging himself three years later after giving this speech. He was 46 years old.

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Chief_For_Life58 05-09-2013 01:51 PM

I do my grocery shopping on sunday nights

Chief_For_Life58 05-09-2013 01:55 PM

im 2+ years into this life. I value my weekends a shit ton more now. Weeks go by super fast being on a 12 hour schedule every day during the week. I'm basically poorer now than I was before I had a ft job since I had little to no bills. Being an adult sucks.

Chief_For_Life58 05-09-2013 01:56 PM

things like this get me through my weeks though
http://picchore.com/wp-content/uploa...imated-gif.gif

Pasta Little Brioni 05-09-2013 02:00 PM

The little shits have NO idea what they are in for

Chief_For_Life58 05-09-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9671165)
The little shits have NO idea what they are in for

whatam I in for old man

Pitt Gorilla 05-09-2013 02:08 PM

Great speech.

Dave Lane 05-09-2013 02:10 PM

Wow. Don't post this in DC some heads could explode.

Great find!

Pasta Little Brioni 05-09-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9671178)
whatam I in for old man

The sad part is I'm not that old.

Work at the same fulltime job for 5-10 years and report back though.

Dave Lane 05-09-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9671178)
whatam I in for old man

Its better to be ignorant my friend. The news will come soon enough.

Pitt Gorilla 05-09-2013 02:17 PM

Find a job you love. It doesn't have to pay the most money, just enough to get by.

Donger 05-09-2013 02:18 PM

I don't see his point.

suds79 05-09-2013 02:19 PM

This guy suffered from depression? :eek: No way.

Just listening to that makes me want to off myself. ;)

If I'm being completely honest, I have mundane, routine things I do in my life (we all do) every day and I never have viewed it like this. Yes a lot of those situations (boredom, routine & petty frustrations) as he mentioned happen but they're generally short lived and you get over it. Where's the example in his story where the guy comes home after the grocery store and gets the worlds biggest welcome from his kid who is so excited to see him?

I thought it was a little over dramatic.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 05-09-2013 02:20 PM

Strange speech for a writer

tooge 05-09-2013 02:43 PM

I get by the mundane in a bit different way. I silently make fun of just about everyone I see. I'm in the line at the store with a grin because I'm thinking that the guy in front of me looks like Bozo the clown, etc. I don't do road rage. I fatface people. I simply look at them and make a "fat face". They usually go away. Especially if they are fat.

Life is too short to be stressed by things like traffic, lines, idiots, etc. I liked the speech. It is about choices.

HC_Chief 05-09-2013 02:50 PM

great speech...too bad the audio mix was complete shit and I could only make out bits & pieces because the goddamn music track was drowning out the speaker's voice.

/first-world problems

BigCatDaddy 05-09-2013 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9671178)
whatam I in for old man

My prediction..........PAAAIIN

Dave Lane 05-09-2013 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9671194)
I don't see his point.

No one thought you would.

Chief_For_Life58 05-09-2013 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9671259)
My prediction..........PAAAIIN

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/z...rsBeerDrop.gif

Donger 05-09-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9671285)
No one thought you would.

Just a bunch of mumbo jumbo...

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...b487ead7/l.jpg

keg in kc 05-09-2013 03:16 PM

Amazing speech.

jjjayb 05-09-2013 03:18 PM

I could only take about 3 minutes of his droning. What a shitty outlook on life. Not surprised he offed himself. We're supposed to take advice from this guy why?

listopencil 05-09-2013 03:23 PM

That was beautiful.

Dayze 05-09-2013 03:25 PM

Just have Dennis Leary come out and say "Life Sucks, Get A ****ing Helmet".
Speech over.

notorious 05-09-2013 03:27 PM

Thank God I have a great life.

NewChief 05-09-2013 03:30 PM

DFW was one of my personal heroes until he offed himself. I don't look up to people who kill themselves, but in his defense, he suffered from extreme clinical depression, not garden variety "I'm sad." Guy was a freakinggenius though, but that's probably one of the reasons he could never escape his pain completely.

Reaper16 05-09-2013 03:31 PM

Why is this going viral now? The speech is years old. They even printed it in book form after he died.

NewChief 05-09-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9671322)
Why is this going viral now? The speech is years old. They even printed it in book form after he died.

It's graduation season.

gblowfish 05-09-2013 03:44 PM

Here's his obit in the NY Times. Sounds like the classic troubled genius. I've lost a couple friends to suicide from mental health issues. It's awful. It usually happens to very gifted people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/bo...lace.html?_r=0

Wildcat2005 05-09-2013 03:56 PM

wait people are considering advice on how to have a positive outlook from a guy who killed himself?

Did he not take his own advice, or is this the result of his "positive" outlook?

I always wait for traffic to die down before going grocery shopping, so I guess I dont relate that much to idea that you must shop during rush hour


Some things can certainly be mundane, but at the same time being a little bored at times and making money is better than being broke but not having to adhere to a certain schedule

eazyb81 05-09-2013 03:58 PM

I think it is safe to say this guy falls in the glass half-empty camp.

Dayze 05-09-2013 04:00 PM

"Congratulations graduates. You should be out of debt by your 40's"

keg in kc 05-09-2013 04:01 PM

I'm guessing some of you didn't make it to the halfway point of the speech.

the Talking Can 05-09-2013 04:10 PM

it's the least interesting thing he's ever said or written (but i still like it), which is why it can be set to Hallmark card music..

****, he wrote one of the best novels ever...and this is what 1,694,954 people know about him...

Fish 05-09-2013 04:11 PM

LMAO.... half the people saying "Boo this guy!", the other half say "Amazing speech! 5 stars!"

Don't ever change Chiefsplanet!

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-09-2013 04:12 PM

Probably the best writer born in the last half century.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 05-09-2013 04:16 PM

When I think about the day-to-day grind, I think academia

NewChief 05-09-2013 04:17 PM

It's worth the read:

http://people.virginia.edu/~jrw3k/me...r.Do.Again.pdf

gblowfish 05-09-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9671393)
LMAO.... half the people saying "Boo this guy!", the other half say "Amazing speech! 5 stars!"

Don't ever change Chiefsplanet!

Well, at least most were able to hang in there for nine whole minutes....

I think this all comes down to a question of work ethic vs. managing the grind. There's a million times I've drug my ass out of bed and gone to work, not feeling well, tired, depressed, pissed off, whatever. But I've shown up because, frankly, I'm a starter. People depend on me. Being dependable is important to your longevity in the workplace. I've been at it in the same profession for 27 years now. So I must be doing something right.

Baby Lee 05-09-2013 04:52 PM

The music and visuals really supplemented the speech well.

I experienced the highs and lows of his lesson just today.

I don't think I'll ever be able to force myself to think different about people who abuse the express lane. A few weeks back I saw a lady cart $350 worth of groceries through, not the 20 items or less line, but the 12 items or less line. Today, there was a lady unloading a full to the brim cart in the same line. Didn't get her total, but me seeing all the long lines and having just 5 items to buy, it just burned me up.

OTOH, when I got my cart, I got stuck behind a man with a real bad leg [don't know if it was an injury or palsy or what], but he was moving at a glacial pace through the entrance doors, walking with aid of a cane. But rather than being put out, I was nearly moved to tears by his independence and determination. You could tell that every step was arduous, but he pressed on, and it was inspiring, despite how it slowed down the achievement of my personal objectives momentarily.

Donger 05-09-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9671446)
The music and visuals really supplemented the speech well.

I experienced the highs and lows of his lesson just today.

I don't think I'll ever be able to force myself to think different about people who abuse the express lane. A few weeks back I saw a lady cart $350 worth of groceries through, not the 20 items or less line, but the 12 items or less line. Today, there was a lady unloading a full to the brim cart in the same line. Didn't get her total, but me seeing all the long lines and having just 5 items to buy, it just burned me up.

OTOH, when I got my cart, I got stuck behind a man with a real bad leg [don't know if it was an injury or palsy or what], but he was moving at a glacial pace through the entrance doors, walking with aid of a cane. But rather than being put out, I was nearly moved to tears by his independence and determination. You could tell that every step was arduous, but he pressed on, and it was inspiring, despite how it slowed down the achievement of my personal objectives momentarily.

He was probably faking it to use the handicapped spaces.

Papi 05-09-2013 05:01 PM

That was good. Unfortunately I don't think I'll ever be able to not wish an aids antifreeze tree fire death on anyone who gets in my way.

Discuss Thrower 05-09-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9671446)
The music and visuals really supplemented the speech well.

I experienced the highs and lows of his lesson just today.

I don't think I'll ever be able to force myself to think different about people who abuse the express lane. A few weeks back I saw a lady cart $350 worth of groceries through, not the 20 items or less line, but the 12 items or less line. Today, there was a lady unloading a full to the brim cart in the same line. Didn't get her total, but me seeing all the long lines and having just 5 items to buy, it just burned me up.

OTOH, when I got my cart, I got stuck behind a man with a real bad leg [don't know if it was an injury or palsy or what], but he was moving at a glacial pace through the entrance doors, walking with aid of a cane. But rather than being put out, I was nearly moved to tears by his independence and determination. You could tell that every step was arduous, but he pressed on, and it was inspiring, despite how it slowed down the achievement of my personal objectives momentarily.

So postmodern

Hog's Gone Fishin 05-09-2013 05:35 PM

MAN, If that guy had ever jerked off just ONE animal his whole outlook on life would be different !

Sannyasi 05-09-2013 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9671322)
Why is this going viral now? The speech is years old. They even printed it in book form after he died.

Its going viral because someone just recently made it into a video.

Marcellus 05-09-2013 07:31 PM

Good stuff. Thanks for posting.

You can tell who actually finished the video and who watched a few minutes and then posted bitching about the negativity.

Surprise you missed the ****ing point. Oh wait, no surprise.

notorious 05-09-2013 07:45 PM

When a person is given a choice (or in this case, a person gives themself a choice), they have control of the situation.

My Educational Psychology teacher (by far the best teacher I have ever had) hammered this into our heads over and over. Give your kids and employees choices, but define the consequences. This technique worked flawlessly with my flight students and with my employees.

When someone is given choice, they have a personal investment.

In this case, he tells the kids that they can give themselves a choice. Although it's fundamentally basic it impowers them with choice in a seemingly hopeless situation.

Awesome stuff.

Aries Walker 05-09-2013 07:52 PM

I'm glad he mentioned the non-knowledge-based advantages of a college education. So many people think it's just learning the coursework, and why would I go when I can just read the books, and so on, but it's things like this that you learn along with it. The idea of opening yourself up to see how other people see the world is priceless.

notorious 05-09-2013 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 9672021)
The idea of opening yourself up to see how other people see the world is priceless.





"Put yourself in their shoes"

It's amazing how very few can do this.

Spott 05-09-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9671515)
MAN, If that guy had ever jerked off just ONE animal his whole outlook on life would be different !

ROFL

NewChief 05-09-2013 08:16 PM

I posted it earlier, but his essay about going on a cruise, "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" is just amazing. It's also the title of a wonderful collection of non fiction essays about topics ranging from lobster festivals to professional tennis to state fairs.

I probably wouldn't recommend his fiction unless you're into really weird, dense shit.

Here's the entirety of "Ticket to the Fair." I'll paste an excerpt below as well:
Quote:

The livestock venues are at full occupancy animalwise, but we seem to be the only fairgoing tourists from the ceremony who've dashed right over to tour them. You can tell which barns are for which animals with your eyes closed. The horses are in their own individual stalls,with half-height doors and owners and grooms on stools by the doors, a lot of them dozing. The horses stand in hay. Billy Ray Cyrus plays loudly on some stableboy's boom box. The horses have tight hides and apple-sized eyes that are set on the sides of their heads, like fish. I've rarely been this close to fine livestock. The horses' faces are long and somehow suggestive of coffins. The racers are lanky, velvet over bone. The draft and show horses are mammoth and spotlessly groomed, and more or less odorless:the acrid smell in here is just the horses pee: All their muscles are beautiful;the hides enhance them. They make farty noises when they sigh, heads hanging over the short doors. They're not for petting, though. When you come close they flatten their ears and show big teeth. The grooms laugh to themselves as we jump back. These are special competitive horses, with intricately bred high-strung artistic temperaments. I wish I'd brought carrots. Animals can be bought, emotionally. Stall after stall of horses. Standard horse-type colors.They eat the same hay they stand in. Occasional feedbags look like gas masks. A sudden clattering spray-sound like somebody hosing down siding turns out to be a glossy dun stallion peeing. He's at the back of his stall getting combed, and the door is wide open.The stream of pee is an inch in diameter and
throws up dust and hay and it looks like even chips of wood from the floor.A stallion is a male horse.We hunker down and have a look upward, and suddenly for the first time I understand a certain expression describing certain human males, an expression I'd heard but never quite understood till now.


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