BIG 12 AND SEC PLAY EACH OTHER
 

The inaugural Big 12/SEC Challenge was announced Tuesday with a schedule of 10 men’s basketball games to be played this fall.

All 10 of the Big 12’s teams and 10 of the SEC’s 14 schools will play in the annual event, which will be called the SEC/Big 12 Challenge in 2014. Arkansas, Georgia, LSU and Tennessee will not play in the first year. ESPN will broadcast all 10 games across its networks. Times and TV channels will be announced later.
Eight of the 10 games this year will be played at home sites — including KU at Florida, which was previously announced, West Virginia at Missouri and Mississippi at Kansas State. The other two matchups will be played at neutral sites.
Saturday, November 14
• Texas Tech at Alabama
Monday, December 2
• Vanderbilt at Texas
• Auburn at Iowa State
Thursday, December 5
• West Virginia at Missouri
• Mississippi at Kansas State
• TCU at Mississippi State
Friday, December 6
• South Carolina at Oklahoma State
• Kentucky vs. Baylor at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas
Tuesday, December 10
• Kansas at Florida
Saturday, December 21
• Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma in Houston

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/14...#storylink=cpy

Heh, WVU versus Missouri in the "yes, we're technically in the Big XII and SEC" game.

Looks good!

Funny that there are so many intriguing potential matchups that aren't happening.

KU/MU
KSU or WVU/SC
OSU/UK
Texas/aTm

These would all be interesting matchups. Really, the KU/UF game is the only one that will have much appeal.

:D nice

Those will happen eventually.

KU-MU is appealing locally in Kansas City but nobody around the country follows it, the FLA game will be a better draw for ESPN. I don't see why ISU or KSU isn't playing MU though since that would be interesting regionally. Not sure what the appeal of KSU-So Carolina would be since they suck under Martin anyway.

KU / MU has national appeal. The games in MU's last year in the Big 12 had huge national ratings.

In fact these conferences need to jump on the popularity of college basketball right now. The ratings for TV are huge, just look...


10 Highest Rated College Sports Telecasts

2012-13 academic year

# Date Sport Winner Loser Event Net Rating

1 Mon., 1/7/13 Football Alabama Notre Dame Champ. Gm. ESPN
15.1

2 Mon., 4/8/13 Basketball Louisville Michigan Champ. Gm. CBS
14.0

3 Sat., 4/6/13 Basketball Michigan Syracuse Final Four CBS
10.2

4 Sat., 12/1/12 Football Alabama Georgia SEC Champ. CBS
9.8

T5 Tue., 1/1/13 Football Stanford Wisconsin Rose Bowl ESPN
9.4

T5 Sat., 11/24/12 Football Notre Dame Southern Cal Reg. Season ABC
9.4

7 Sun., 3/31/13 Basketball Louisville Duke Elite Eight CBS
8.8

8 Sat., 4/6/13 Basketball Louisville Wichita St. Final Four CBS
8.7

9 Thu., 1/3/13 Football Oregon Kansas St. Fiesta Bowl ESPN
7.4

10 Fri., 1/4/13 Football Texas A&M Oklahoma Cotton Bowl FOX
7.2

The problem is that people don't care about it outside the tournament. The highest rated non-NCAA tournament game drew a 2.9. In football, the highest rated non-bowl game drew a 9.8.

Why? I'll feel slimy.

Beakers still dodging us. Figures

Why? Anything a conference can do to align themselves with the SEC lends that conference credibility.

They'll never let the game happen

:)

Give it time. You know it's going to happen.

While true, there is only 1 regular season game on that list, football or basketball - and it doesn't involve a team from either the Big 12 or SEC.

FTR, I consider championship games post season - not sure that you, or anyone else does.

NCAA Basketball brings in more ad revenue than any other sport except the NFL. This has been proven on this board. The need to "defend" college basketball is laughable and most here have moved on. It's time you did too.

College basketball means so much the pac 10 plane came to kansas to fuel up.

Why would the pac 10 plane come to Kansas?

350 teams playing 30+ games compared to 100 teams playing 12-13 games...wonder why...

That's why I worded it the way I did. It's sort of a gray area. It's probably post season, but you could make a case either way.

In SEC country No1curr

why would KU play a mid-tier SEC nobody when they could play Florida or Kentucky?

You just answered your ratings question. Thanks

lol, nope

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_RGxbFR36W...psonboling.jpg

Agreed.

So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

KU just landed the best player in basketball since LeBron.

They couldn't care less about playing Mizzou today or twenty years from now.

Texas just revealed that their athletic department brings in a revenue around $163,000,000. This is $40,000,000 more than the closest SEC school.

I appreciate your attempt to once again take a shot at the Big 12 but the fact remains that these schools are excelling beyond anything they've done in the past athletically and financially.

This is a mutual attempt by both conferences to capitalize on the explosion in popularity of college basketball. Really nothing more.

I'd rather see it like a week long challenge of nothing but Big 12/SEC games. Would make it more interesting and honestly, a fun ass week.

Other than that, I agree with the rest of your post. It's kind of a way for the rivalries to be put back together (as they should be) without either team losing face. Like you said, "we don't control the scheduling of this Big 12/SEC challenge".

Meh. KU playing MU is good for business. It's a national rivalry that dates back....how many years? It's good for exposure and man it makes for some fun weeks leading up to it.

And really, whether you or anyone doesn't want that game to happen, it's going to happen. Likely sooner than most expect.

Pat Summitt's last game?

I think we totally agree. If it were set up such that the games were all played around the same time, it would be great. Ten games spread out over five weeks is pointless.

Yeah, that was poor wording on my part because we do actually agree on it all.

I may need to reconsider my opinion, then...

I agree, it would be very good business for Mizzou. It is not however a national rivalry. I know way to many people from the East coast that think KSU is KU's only rival. The only time the national media cares about KU/MU games are when they are both ranked in the top 10. Most years it was only a local rivalry.

I would love to play Mizzou every year, I just don't want to give up a game against UK or Fla or whoever is the best team in the SEC to get it. If MU is the best team we can play from that league then by all means schedule it up.

I was thinking the same thing.

Shit, we agree again. Let me run into the Realignment thread and just post "MU sucks bawls" to get us back on track.

FTR, I posted both opinions first. You are free to gravy train my rightness.

Aren't you in High School? I thought I read you mention that once.

This is so fantastically stupid, I'm honestly surprised you posted it. I coudln't even read the entirety it was so dumb. You're not a dumb person so I don't know why you posted this, unless you are trolling.

And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?

It's nothing more than greasing the skids for some rivalry games to restart without making the "never again" crowd look sillier than they already do.

It's red meat for those in the fan base who are dumb and/or emotional enough to lap it up.

Plow doesn't fall into that category. Wickedson does.

Rivalry games = Money. Universities love money that will win over hurt feelings.

The simple explanation is that the SEC wants to improve it's non-con basketball scheduling (Slive even talked about it recently, I'm sure you missed it because it was basketball related). The ACC-BIG already have a "challenge" so it's pretty much the Big 12 left sitting at the bar for last call.


And of course, the Big 12 wants to attach itself to the SEC as often as it can so we'll always put out.

The money isn't in 'rivalry games', its in TV packages. If you were correct then schools wouldn't be leaving their rivalry games left & right, but they did. Besides only a few rivalries have nationwide TV appeal anyway.

While I don't quite dismiss KU/MU as having no national appeal as much as you do your core point is correct. Kansas Basketball has ascended to a level where they simply can't be bothered by lower rung teams. Just look at the non-con KU is playing already. Kansas is out for huge ratings and huge money and from the SEC really only Kentucky and Florida can bring that at this time.


Nov. 8 (Friday) – LOUISIANA-MONROE, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 12 (Tuesday) – Duke, Chicago, Ill. (Champions Classic, United Center)

Nov. 19 (Tuesday) – IONA, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 22 (Friday) – TOWSON, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 28-30, Battle 4 Atlantis (Three games), Paradise Island, Bahamas

The field: Villanova, Tennessee, Iowa, UTEP, Xavier, USC and Wake Forest.

Dec. 7 (Saturday) – at Colorado, Boulder, Colo.

Dec. 10 (Tuesday) – at Florida, Gainesville, Fla.

Dec. 14 (Saturday) – NEW MEXICO, Kansas City, Mo. (Sprint Center)

Dec. 21 (Saturday) – GEORGETOWN, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 30 (Monday) – TOLEDO, Lawrence, Kan.

Jan. 5 (Sunday) – SAN DIEGO STATE, Lawrence, Kan.

PRISON BITCH AND SAUL GOOD..Could you please not turn this into another KU/MU pissing match!!!
I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.

MODS, if possible, could you please change the PREFIX so it doesn't reflect MIZZOU, just change it to BASKETBALL.

I suppose another way to look at it is that this brings us one (tiny) step closer to Slive's vision of a world without mid-majors. It will be interesting to see if he tries to put together an alliance with multiple conferences.

It would be cool if all of the major conferences did this with each other...maybe even x 2. Each major conference team would play two games against teams from each of the major conferences; one home game and one road game each season (not the same team for both games).

That would make for some great games and would still only take up 8 non-conference games per season.

**** off. I haven't done any of that here. It's not like you were having some discussion, anyway. You pasted an article to start thread and disappeared until your nearly unintelligible follow-up bitching about something that isn't even happening.

Looks to me like you did...I wanted to see what everybody thought of it, before I posted anymore, and I did....Whatever!!

I know arguing with you is pointless, so I'll make it brief.

The KU/MU rivalry is important to both schools. Regardless of what has been said, it's going to happen again and eventually, it will end up a yearly thing - at least in basketball. Although I'd love to see KU football take some huge steps and make football part of the equation as well. Might as well get used to the idea of it now.

I apparently misinterpreted all of your initial posts Saul, consider us back at odds.

You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.



Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.

The Colorado bball game on KU's schedule says hi......CU did leave the Big XII, remember?

So, in 5-10 years people won't even remember it? Are you sure you aren't talking about Nebraska? Colorado?

We already went through this once. I believe the reasons for this are laid out in the re-alignment thread, so do a search on it and you'll find out what htey are. I believe you were already in on it though, so it might just be a project you can do solo.

Tell Plow more about what KU fans want since, being a KU fan himself, he has no idea.

Don't look now, but I too misinterpreted all of my initial posts. Whereas I thought I was saying that the groundwork was being laid for some rivalries to be renewed, I was actually starting a pissing match...which can only mean...we're back in agreement...how meta...

Wait, aren't I a KU fan too? Surely I factor in here somewhere. Aren't I equal to Plow?


As for the majority, Zenger told Seth Davis it's overwhelmingly against resuming play. So either he's a liar, or my point was correct. I'll trust the KU A.D. over some bitter Mizzou fan and Plow.

PB is reaching BlackBobian levels

As soon as Plow starts lecturing you about what KU fans want, this post will make sense.

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

Have you emailed the KU AD to let him know that he too is wrong for making assumptions about what people want?

I know that my views on things never change over the course of time, especially when you take out the raw emotion that is fueling that view.

As soon as the SEC & Big 12 starting talking about football playoffs/bowls together, you had to know that eventually that KU/MU matchup (whether football or basketball) was going to happen....sooner rather than later.

Ok, Kemosabe. Do you have tonight's pick-3 lotto numbers ready for us too?

As I said before, there is no point arguing with you. You can't see beyond much of anything, you made that very clear with your Ellis "piece of shit" talk. I'm sorry that you don't want the KU/MU series to resume. I'm sure there are a lot of you types out there. But, whether it's 3 years or 10 years or however many years, eventually you are going to have to get used to playing them again.

Do you get indignant when someone claims to know that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow? I mean, you can't predict the future, right?

I know what Sheahen Zenger has said publicly, and that's really enough to base a valid opinion on. Certainly better odds than relying on some internet dork.

I guess I don't see it. 4 basketball games in the top 10 & all were either in the final four or Louisville vs Duke in the elite eight. Try putting basketball against football & see who wins.

Ok, take Zenger at his word. He doesn't want to play them. But, in 2-3 years when the SEC/Big12 "challenge" schedules them outside of his or Self's control, you can use that as your excuse.

But really, you don't think that KU/MU/UT/TAM don't know that they all just ended 2 of the longest running rivalries (KU/MU 121 years; UT/A&M 118 years) and you don't think that those rivalries are important to each school let alone the majority of their fans?

Yes, but all but 1 of the football games in the top 10 were either bowl games or a conference championship game.

But I understand what you are getting at, regular season vs. regular season is going to lean to football. There are reasons behind it, but I get what you are saying.

There's one regular season football game on the list. The point isn't to compare football and basketball. It's to show the popularity of CBB and why these conferences are trying to capitalize on it.

Last year's KU - UK Championship game only drew a 12.3

Something tells me that if the two meet again in the Final this year that number may be a bit off. :)

No, not really. They weren't important at all to Missouri or Texas A&M. They preferred to play Vanderbilt and Miss State instead.


The reality is, most rivalries aren't that important. Only a select few even matter. Rivalries are nearly all gone now, even ND told MIchigan it was over. (Now ask yourself: is ND-Michigan football or the Border War bigger?)


I'm not saying it can't happen at all. Nobody knows the future. You care and I don't. I'm sure that reflects the KU fanbase pretty well actually.

We went though it once, and it was established you are an idiot, and your precious AD is a hypocrite.

You act like any of us value your opinion.

He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.

And you are a troll, contribute nothing to the board, and are hated by your fellow KU fans almost as much as Wickedson. Congrats!