Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9815747)

I like Avenged Sevenfold, but this song doesn't do anything for me really.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9815842)

If I didn't love you so much, Carlota, I'd really hate you.

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9815847)

I can't even explain how big of an A7X fan I am. They were my avatar for years. This song just doesn't do it for me.

I wasn't a huge fan of Nightmare when it first came out either, so maybe it will grow on me.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9815799)

awful

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9815852)

I Like.

Kinda reminds me of Black Sabbath.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9815860)

M Shadows also told me that when recording then new CD, they we inspired by Pantera, Metallica, Black Sabbath etc as opposed to Dream Theater type bands.

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9815934)

You are such a name dropper that it is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9815934)

You are such a name dropper that it is hilarious.

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 9816070)

They've just never done it for me. Which is weird because I like this style of music...they just sound like they're trying to be Metallica too much I guess but not half as good.

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9816196)

Sorry Carlota but this is a real Metal band

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Originally Posted by morphius (Post 9816042)

Yeah, she should have waited until someone asked who told her first...

yeah...

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9815845)

ROFLROFL

This will be the hard rock song of the year. Mark my words.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816921)

Then this is proof positive that the music business is on its last legs.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816921)

Then this is proof positive that the music business is on its last legs.

Originally Posted by PackerinMo (Post 9816942)

Well I thought it rocked.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816947)

Hardly. They always say that, rock is dead, music is dead, radios dead, and yet it's still here, Alive and kicking.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816947)

Hardly. They always say that, rock is dead, music is dead, radios dead, and yet it's still here, Alive and kicking.

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9816951)

:rolleyes: He's just making a point that you're overrating the song.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816949)

People just like to have a bad attitude in this forum. It's truly become an ugly place.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816954)

Please. Album sales are down 10,000% from the mid-90's. Bands don't sign huge record and publishing deals anymore. Hardly anyone makes a dime for their records. Major labels require "360 deals" and very little recording funding.

Publishers are having an enormously hard time earning any new income due to illegal downloads and their rates are so high (i.e., cost of doing business) that most major motion pictures can't afford to license music from superstar acts, let alone, well known acts.

Going Gold used to get bands dropped. Now, it's rarity if it ever happens.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816960)

So personal preference is now ugly?

What?

That song was unimaginative and boring. Boring guitars, boring vocals, boring song structure and boring production. Anyone that's listened to that genre of music in the last decade would likely agree.

Of course, that's my opinion and I hope it's not too "ugly" for you.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816962)

No, the way people talk to people In thiis forum is ugly.

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9816951)

:rolleyes: He's just making a point that you're overrating the song.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816969)

I understand you think is am, but I am a music director of a 30 million dollar radio station, one that is continually successful. In fact, we are one of the most successful rock stations in the country, and my job is to " hear" songs. I'm not wrong often. This song will be the most played rock song in a matter of weeks, and it will be number one In a matter of weeks as well.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816961)

That's not because of songs. That's because of corporations and Mc Radio stations run by said corporations. Basically it has nothing to do with quality of music and everything to do with suits running and ruining the show.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816969)

I understand you think is am, but I am a music director of a 30 million dollar radio station, one that is continually successful. In fact, we are one of the most successful rock stations in the country, and my job is to " hear" songs. I'm not wrong often. This song will be the most played rock song in a matter of weeks, and it will be number one In a matter of weeks as well.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816962)

No, the way people talk to people In thiis forum is ugly...you included and mostly.
In fact, I thought you left this place.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816984)

:facepalm:

Yeah, music from 2000 forward compares favorably to music from the 60's 70's and 80's. I can't wait to hear this Avenged Sevenfold song in 30 years on the radio.

As a veteran of the music business for more than a decade, everything you said is complete and utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816986)

You sound a little butthurt.

You must be new.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9816985)

And once again, that just goes to show that the quality of music being produced and distributed today, whether it's through an Indie, Self or Major Label distribution, is well below average.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816989)

Oh shit, I've been a veteran of the music industry As a music director for 22 years. No it is not utter nonsense. There's a reason I've been successful for a very long time.
But I tel, you what, for the sake of not fighting. You're right. I'm Wrong. You rule. I suck.

Now go away...

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9816980)

I don't doubt that it could hit number one at some point. But for it to be song of the year is really stretching it. It's an average song that lacks anything that puts it over the top. Like Dane said, even people who are into that music would think it's fairly boring. Myself included.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816995)

No it is not. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it below quality. The industry has changed. iTunes one of the big reasons, but it doesn't mean music isn't good anymore. You sound like an old man.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817001)

And you sound like a know-nothing dipshit.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817010)

I haven't said that for one. Two, iTunes is the biggest reason records don't sell, because kids these days buy songs, not entire albums. And corporations, and the suits running them, have also contributed to killing jobs in the music industry. Just like corporate suits have in almost every other business in the universe.

And by the sounds of your anger, you seem a Bit pent up. Maybe you're the one who needs to go **** themselves.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9816901)

While they might be real, they Aren't making real money, a real living or a real impact. But I have favorite bands that don't make it big either.

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9817024)

Yeah but honestly, look at most of the bands and performers that are making a lot of money and getting a lot of exposure. It isn't an indicator of anything to me. And that's nothin against Avenged Sevenfold. I can't wait to hear the rest of the album.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817014)

Yeah, that's why I'm still employed in an industry that whittled away jobs. If I sucked at my gig, I'd be somewhere else doing something else. Maybe you're looking in the mirror right now?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817019)

Good God. Seriously? I mean, really. I don't think I've read something so clueless about the music business in this forum for a decade.

It's very clear that you don't understand the economics of the music business. That's fine, as you don't actually work for a major record label or Big Four music publisher. But to pretend as if you know exactly why sales have declined and to blame it on iTunes is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817031)

You're missing the point, entirely.

I'm not talking radio: I'm talking record labels and music publishers.

Today, the market is dominated by Disney kids, American Idol and teen music. That accounts for 75% of the new music sales today. The rest are bands that are barely getting paid, barely getting developed and are usually dropped after their first record.

Record labels earn their money today on catalog, remasters (which is a scam) and the occasional superstar act (which are far and few between). Publishers earn their money on catalog and Film & TV, which is even tougher these days due to the production libraries and indie artists.



The fact of the matter is that there are very few acts earning money from record sales because music has lost all its value. It's disposable. This stems from the illegal downloading craze of the mid-90's and extends to today. It's very rare that an artist sells a 500,000 copies and even rarer when an artist sells 1 million copies. Hell, the latest Van Halen record barely sold 600k and that was before returns!

So don't tell me that the record business is doing fine, is the same as usual, etc. and so on, because it's not.

Not even close.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817033)

Dude, iTunes is part of it, but not all of it. But the fact that people don't buy whole records anymore is part of the reason records sales are down. Illegal downloads is another granted. And a few more factors. I've said that. I haven't said its all ITunes.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817033)

You just like to get into fights on this forum don't you? You seem to do it a lot.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817037)

Record labels definitely have it tougher today for various factors, including the ones above. Corporations have a hand in it as well. It's a hodgepodge of reasons and it starts at the top, the suits who don't give a **** about the artist, or the art.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817037)

Music itself is still good is what I'm saying. It still exists.

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9817046)

Well this thread went to shit.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817043)

Dude, the guy that invented iTunes lives up the street from me. It's a rigged game. Seriously. But it has nothing to do with the overall health of the music business.



I've been a member of this forum for nearly 13 years. The core members were together at the Star, so I go back 16, 17 years with some of these people. But the bottom line is that I can't stand it when people make false statements.


Your whole gig here today was to pimp AS and when people didn't agree, you pulled the "Hey, I'm the Director" card, you know, to show you're a badass. Then when challenged on the nonsense you've spewed about the business, I chimed in.

And quite frankly, you're wrong. I didn't expect you to be right because it's not your job but you don't have to be an ass about it.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817047)

Please name these "suits". I can name them. I'm friends with many of them. And in working with so many of these people over the course of the past 20 years, I'd hardly call them "suits".



Music is subjective. What you love, I might hate. What I love, you might hate. Everyone has room for an opinion because all music, regardless of genre, speaks to people differently.

I know plenty of people like you (mostly band managers) that think about music as you do. There's nothing wrong with it and that's what makes you (and them) successful.

But there is room for dissenting opinions.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817050)

No, if someone doesn't like the song, they don't like the song. I pulled the card when I was questioned on how would I even know a good song, by you if I think.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9817050)

I've been here since 1999 under a different account a resigned up in 2002. So I've been around the CP block. I don't know why that's so important, but you keep using it as something against me.

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9817046)

Well this thread went to shit.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817054)

Actually, no.



This site didn't open until August 2000.

Regardless, I'm not using your time here against you, although you've questioned why I'm here and that I should leave.

Pleasant.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9817054)

Actually, no. I know who you are. You and I actually have mutual friends although we've never met. I've told you this before but apparently, you've forgotten.



This site didn't open until August 2000.

Regardless, I'm not using your time here against you, although you've questioned why I'm here and stated that I should leave.

Pleasant.