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NewChief 07-18-2013 03:14 PM

Credit Card Theft Over and Over?
 
Okay,

We've had to change our business CC# four times in 2013 so far due to fraudulent charges. The last two have both been to Fry's.com

The bank said it's very unusual to have repeated "hacks" like this. Any ideas how we can go about tracking down where the "leak" is occurring? Can you hire a "detective" type to try to track it down? Are there some obvious places we should look? It's a complete pain in the ass, because everytime, we have to contact all of our vendors with the new card #, not to mention wait a while for the new card to arrive and basically not have a card to charge with for an extended period of time while we wait on our new card.

Donger 07-18-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819444)
Okay,

We've had to change our business CC# four times in 2013 so far due to fraudulent charges. The last two have both been to Fry's.com

The bank said it's very unusual to have repeated "hacks" like this. Any ideas how we can go about tracking down where the "leak" is occurring? Can you hire a "detective" type to try to track it down? Are there some obvious places we should look? It's a complete pain in the ass, because everytime, we have to contact all of our vendors with the new card #, not to mention wait a while for the new card to arrive and basically not have a card to charge with for an extended period of time while we wait on our new card.

Do you happen to use this/these cards to pay for gasoline at the pump?

Dave Lane 07-18-2013 03:17 PM

It's 90% of the time someone internal. Employee theft is crazy, and don't feel like a lone ranger on the theft score. I've got scars on top of scars.

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9819448)
Do you happen to use this/these cards to pay for gasoline at the pump?

Yes, we do.

Donger 07-18-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819456)
Yes, we do.

Usually the same station?

Great Expectations 07-18-2013 03:19 PM

Restaurants will also steal the numbers.

Stewie 07-18-2013 03:21 PM

It only takes one asshole to get your CC info and run with it. It could be internal, or someone that works for a vendor that has access to your CC#.

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9819455)
It's 90% of the time someone internal. Employee theft is crazy, and don't feel like a lone ranger on the theft score. I've got scars on top of scars.

We only have one employee, and she isn't the source.

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9819459)
Usually the same station?

No. Not necessarily.

Tytanium 07-18-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819444)
Okay,

We've had to change our business CC# four times in 2013 so far due to fraudulent charges. The last two have both been to Fry's.com

The bank said it's very unusual to have repeated "hacks" like this. Any ideas how we can go about tracking down where the "leak" is occurring? Can you hire a "detective" type to try to track it down? Are there some obvious places we should look? It's a complete pain in the ass, because everytime, we have to contact all of our vendors with the new card #, not to mention wait a while for the new card to arrive and basically not have a card to charge with for an extended period of time while we wait on our new card.

Someone is misusing your credit card information, could be a vendor, could be someone skimming numbers at a gas station, restaurant, ATM or any retail store.

Change all your passwords. Make sure any computers you have ever used your banking website, commerce/ecommerce software or done any online purchasing with credit cards is adware/malware free, down to doing a complete wipe and reinstall of Windows. Four times with the same card provider reeks of a well concealed malware attack if you are using that card online.

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tytanium (Post 9819471)
Someone is misusing your credit card information, could be a vendor, could be someone skimming numbers at a gas station, restaurant, ATM or any retail store.

Change all your passwords. Make sure any computers you have ever used your banking website, commerce/ecommerce software or done any online purchasing with credit cards is adware/malware free, down to doing a complete wipe and reinstall of Windows. Four times with the same card provider reeks of a well concealed malware attack if you are using that card online.

Right. I'm worried about malware as well. We're in design, so we work with Macs, but it's still very possible that it's malware related.

R8RFAN 07-18-2013 03:24 PM

Five Ways Thieves Steal Credit Card Data
Suspect: The Waitress at The Diner
Modus operandi: The waitress whisks away your credit card and swipes it through the restaurant's register. Then, she pulls out a small device, about the size of an ice cube, from her apron and swipes it through that, says Sergeant David Schultz of the Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office in Texas. While you're scraping the last of the chocolate frosting from your plate, your credit card information has been stored in the device, known as a skimmer. The waitress returns your card and performs the same magic trick on dozens of credit cards in a week.
Known whereabouts: The data-stealing waitress has been known to moonlight as a bartender, sales clerk or at any place where she can take your credit card out of sight.
Suspect: The Toy Store Trio
Modus operandi: Sally, Simon and Bud walk into a toy store. Sally and Simon roam the aisles, while Bud waits in line to check out. When Bud is at the register, Simon comes running up to the clerk, screaming that his wife has fainted. As Sally and Simon distract the sales clerk, Bud switches the credit card reader at the register with a modified one of his own, says FICO's Fraud Chief Mike Urban. For the next week, the sales clerk unwittingly collects credit card data on the modified reader until the trio returns, takes back the modified reader and restores the original terminal.
Known whereabouts: The trio will hit other retailers and restaurants, but sometimes the threesome will instead be a duo or a solo criminal.
Suspect: The Gas Lass
Modus operandi: The Gas Lass parks her car in front of a gasoline station off the turnpike. It's late. There's no one around except a sleepy attendant at the register inside. The Gas Lass attaches a skimmer over the credit card reader at the pump. It's a special skimmer: It emits a Bluetooth signal to a laptop close by, says Noonan. The Gas Lass pays, heads off to the motel next door and sets up her laptop to receive the data from the compromised pump over the next several days.
Known whereabouts: The Gas Lass installs skimmers over ATMs, parking meters, vending machines and any other places with unmanned credit card readers.
Suspects: Harry the Hacker and Phishing Phil
Modus operandi: Harry the Hacker installs malware -- a type of software that damages or infiltrates a computer or network -- onto a legitimate website with low security. The malware instantly downloads onto your computer when you visit the site and allows Harry to access your information. In another scenario, Harry puts malware on public computers and gathers the information you share with that computer, says Urban. Harry also infiltrates the computer system of banks, retailers and other businesses and extracts personal account information, Noonan says.
Phishing Phil uses malware to go after your laptop. He sends emails with attachments that promise dancing kittens or some other bait. When the user opens the attachment, malware instantly downloads onto the computer and leaves confidential information vulnerable. Phil also sends emails from a familiar sender with a link to a contaminated website that installs malware onto your computer. Some malware, called spyware, allows Phil to capture every keystroke including passwords to your financial accounts.
Suspect: The Rest of The Criminal Crew
Modus operandi: So what happens to these pieces of data when they're in no-good hands? They get sold.
The waitress, trio or Gas Lass sells each swipe for $20 to $40 a pop, says Urban. Harry the Hacker and Phishing Phil will get $5 to $10 a card and often sell the information online at the eBay of credit card activity. The person who buys the information verifies it and then sells it to a person who creates fraudulent credit cards with your account information attached to it. The card maker then sells it to other criminals who buy goods such as stereos or baby formula and sells them to regular consumers.
What You Can Do
1. Set up mobile alerts for your phone if your financial institution provides the feature. That way, you can be aware of unusual activity as quickly as possible.
2. Regularly monitor your accounts online, so you can identify fraudulent transactions faster, says Schultz.
3. Avoid public computers. Don't log onto your email if your bank corresponds with you there. Urban suggests setting up an email account just for your finances and checking it from safe locations.
4. Avoid doing business with unfamiliar online vendors, Noonan says. Stick to established merchants and websites.
5. If your information has been compromised, notify your financial institutions and local law enforcement, which will contact the Secret Service if necessary. Also notify any of the three major credit reporting agencies -- Experian, Equifax and TransUnion -- to set up a fraud alert on your credit reports.


Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-...#ixzz2ZR0f7JCM

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:24 PM

We use a LOT of vendors, though. We have probably 30 different companies who have our CC on file for ordering (which is one reason it's a huge pain in the ass when we have to change our card #).

ReynardMuldrake 07-18-2013 03:25 PM

I would take statements from each card and cross reference what vendor transactions they all have in common.

Have you made online purchases with each card? Couldn't hurt to run a malware/virus scan on your computer as well.

WhawhaWhat 07-18-2013 03:28 PM

Will Fry's help you out at all? IP addresses, user info, email addresses?

ReynardMuldrake 07-18-2013 03:30 PM

If you're willing to take the credit hit, you could apply for several different cards for different types of purchases. Visa for restaurant, Amex for online, MC for gas, etc. See which one gets stolen, use the barium meal to track down where your account is being compromised.

Tytanium 07-18-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819475)
Right. I'm worried about malware as well. We're in design, so we work with Macs, but it's still very possible that it's malware related.

No computer is safe. I am in IT, and our marketing department also uses Macs (student designers use them during the school year). I received a notice from our campus IT Security Office that one of them was broadcasting IRC botnet activity. They took it and determined that a well concealed rootkit had installed itself and disabled the Sophos antivirus we employ on all of our machines.

Back up your media and run a recovery on it. Can't be too safe.

Also, I know of several providers (including Chase and PayPal) that provide a temporary CC authorization service. You can request a new number for a specific amount and is only active for a set period of time. Makes making online purchases safer as the number and security code only exist for a few hours. If you know for sure that this card is only being used for vendors and NOTHING else (not being used as a general business credit card for charging business expenses, mealsl, gas, supplies and so on), then you can narrow down your search.

Garcia Bronco 07-18-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819479)
We use a LOT of vendors, though. We have probably 30 different companies who have our CC on file for ordering (which is one reason it's a huge pain in the ass when we have to change our card #).

Why do they need to keep your cards on file? Never do that shit.

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 9819517)
Why do they need to keep your cards on file? Never do that shit.

A lot of our stuff is time sensitive. It expedites the process for them to have it on file. Still, we could make phone calls every time we order someone invitations, but it's much quicker for all involved to not do it that way. It seems to be the industry standard (paper/stationery/invitations) to put them on file.

NewChief 07-18-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tytanium (Post 9819501)
No computer is safe. I am in IT, and our marketing department also uses Macs (student designers use them during the school year). I received a notice from our campus IT Security Office that one of them was broadcasting IRC botnet activity. They took it and determined that a well concealed rootkit had installed itself and disabled the Sophos antivirus we employ on all of our machines.

Back up your media and run a recovery on it. Can't be too safe.

Also, I know of several providers (including Chase and PayPal) that provide a temporary CC authorization service. You can request a new number for a specific amount and is only active for a set period of time. Makes making online purchases safer as the number and security code only exist for a few hours. If you know for sure that this card is only being used for vendors and NOTHING else (not being used as a general business credit card for charging business expenses, mealsl, gas, supplies and so on), then you can narrow down your search.

Yeah, that's actually a good idea: use one card only for vendors. Have another debit type card for other businesses expenses. That would at least tell us if the leak is on our end or on their end.

Tytanium 07-18-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819529)
Yeah, that's actually a good idea: use one card only for vendors. Have another debit type card for other businesses expenses. That would at least tell us if the leak is on our end or on their end.

I've never done it myself, but I'm pretty sure you can have multiple card numbers per charge account, so you can at least isolate where it's coming from.

Mr. Laz 07-18-2013 04:09 PM

get different credit card numbers so you can see where it's coming from


gas only card?


more than likely it's either internal or a specific location you have repeat business with

Phobia 07-18-2013 04:33 PM

Yes, you can hire detectives.

Are you getting incredibly good rates at one place in particular? Could be a front for the credit card game.

That will be $375. I accept Visa/MC/Amex

NewChief 07-18-2013 04:44 PM

Good news. It appears that this is a resubmittal of a disputed charge from the last time we had this issue. So it doesn't appear that there has been another leak of our information. We just have to deal with frys.com and go through disputing the charge again.

R8RFAN 07-18-2013 04:47 PM

Somebody stole mine a couple months ago and was paying their Progressive car insurance bill with it in California...

They credited me of course

Mr. Laz 07-18-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9819613)
Good news. It appears that this is a resubmittal of a disputed charge from the last time we had this issue. So it doesn't appear that there has been another leak of our information. We just have to deal with frys.com and go through disputing the charge again.

lol ... doofus

Valiant 07-18-2013 05:37 PM

Either key logger or skimmer.


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