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Hoover 08-04-2013 11:17 PM

Packers lose LT Bulaga to ACL
 
http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...eason-torn-ACL

Ok Boys, who's in favor of trading Albert to the Packers for their 2014 1st rounder? He's worth it to a team like the Packers. Heck they could probably work out a long term deal. Tough on the Chiefs, especially Fischer, but its not like we don't have the bodies to make it work.

Fat Elvis 08-04-2013 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9859273)
http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...eason-torn-ACL

Ok Boys, who's in favor of trading Albert to the Packers for their 2014 1st rounder? He's worth it to a team like the Packers. Heck they could probably work out a long term deal. Tough on the Chiefs, especially Fischer, but its not like we don't have the bodies to make it work.

Let's just keep Albert. Sign him to a long term deal.

Pepe Silvia 08-04-2013 11:22 PM

Fuuuuuck, the line was already suspect as is.

RealSNR 08-04-2013 11:23 PM

Good God. What the hell is it with Green Bay and offensive linemen? Is some rabid Bears fan going all Tonya Harding on them when nobody's looking?

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2013 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9859273)
http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...eason-torn-ACL

Ok Boys, who's in favor of trading Albert to the Packers for their 2014 1st rounder? He's worth it to a team like the Packers. Heck they could probably work out a long term deal. Tough on the Chiefs, especially Fischer, but its not like we don't have the bodies to make it work.

They won't get a first but I'd take a second or conditional third.

Spending the #1 overall pick on a left tackle makes more sense than spending the #1 overall pick on a right tackle to be moved later.

RealSNR 08-04-2013 11:24 PM

Also, Green Bay doesn't have the cash to take on Albert in a trade.

It'd have to be someone like Stephenson that we trade to them. If we were to do something like that.

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9859285)
Also, Green Bay doesn't have the cash to take on Albert in a trade.

It'd have to be someone like Stephenson that we trade to them. If we were to do something like that.

That would suck.

Why couldn't they negotiate a long term deal with Albert?

Fat Elvis 08-04-2013 11:27 PM

I send them Albert for Rogers straight up/CP

RealSNR 08-04-2013 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9859286)
That would suck.

Why couldn't they negotiate a long term deal with Albert?

Who? KC or Green Bay?

I'm sure Green Bay could, but regardless aren't they still required to pay Albert his franchise tag salary for this season?

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2013 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9859291)
Who? KC or Green Bay?

I'm sure Green Bay could, but regardless aren't they still required to pay Albert his franchise tag salary for this season?

Eh, you never know. If they could make the deal happen, I'm sure more than a few guys would restructure. Plus, he's better than Bulaga or Sherrod.

AustinChief 08-04-2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9859285)
Also, Green Bay doesn't have the cash to take on Albert in a trade.

It'd have to be someone like Stephenson that we trade to them. If we were to do something like that.

They could make it happen if motivated and Albert gave assurances of a long term deal... I'd jump on this if it was at all possible but it's doubtful.

Pepe Silvia 08-04-2013 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9859288)
I send them Albert for Rogers straight up/CP

http://ist1-1.filesor.com/pimpandhos.../hqdefault.jpg

keg in kc 08-04-2013 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9859288)
I send them Albert for Rogers straight up/CP

Only if they send us a 2nd round pick back, and Rogers agrees to groom behind awesome incumbent Alex Smith.

Mother****erJones 08-05-2013 12:03 AM

The deadline for Frachise players was july 15. Now could that change for new teams? Although I'm fine with just keeping Albert and having good oline depth. Worry about trading him or signing him in the offseason

Hammock Parties 08-05-2013 12:03 AM

If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

Mother****erJones 08-05-2013 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859309)
If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

ROFL

beach tribe 08-05-2013 12:11 AM

I still havent figured out why o linemen dont wear braces like they do in college.
Ive never worn them.
Are they too restrictive?

T-post Tom 08-05-2013 12:15 AM

Dolphins struggling at LT. Let the bidding begin....

penbrook 08-05-2013 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859309)
If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

This is true. Reports have been that Fisher is struggling early on but that might be because he's facing Hali and Houston who are both top 5 pass rushers.

penbrook 08-05-2013 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 9859314)
Dolphins struggling at LT. Let the bidding begin....

But Tannehill said he thinks Martin is doing a good job at LT.

T-post Tom 08-05-2013 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9859313)
I still havent figured out why o linemen dont wear braces like they do in college.
Ive never worn them.
Are they too restrictive?

Fred Garvin says, "Not so much."

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T-post Tom 08-05-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9859316)
But Tannehill said he thinks Martin is doing a good job at LT.

Tannehill is punchdrunk from getting repeatedly knocked on his arse. :)

Setsuna 08-05-2013 12:28 AM

Hali and Houston are not Top 5. I can name 5 guys who are better.

ThaVirus 08-05-2013 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9859322)
Hali and Houston are not Top 5. I can name 5 guys who are better.

It took you almost 9000 posts, but finally you're right about something.

T-post Tom 08-05-2013 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9859322)
Hali and Houston are not Top 5. I can name 5 guys who are better.

But name a tandem with a better moniker than "Hali & Houston". You're g-damned right you can't.

Setsuna 08-05-2013 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9859325)
It took you almost 9000 posts, but finally you're right about something.

YEAH! :) I'm a real boy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 9859326)
But name a tandem with a better moniker than "Hali & Houston". You're g-damned right you can't.

LMAO true, true.

ThaVirus 08-05-2013 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 9859326)
But name a tandem with a better moniker than "Hali & Houston". You're g-damned right you can't.

VONWOLFE! Merhhhh!!! /KnowMo

T-post Tom 08-05-2013 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9859329)
VONWOLFE! Merhhhh!!! /KnowMo

John Elway could eat a box of Alpha Bits cereal and shit a better name than vonwolfe.

Baby Lee 08-05-2013 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 9859319)
Tannehill is poosedrunk from getting his balls drained every night. :)

FYP

Quesadilla Joe 08-05-2013 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 9859326)
But name a tandem with a better moniker than "Hali & Houston". You're g-damned right you can't.

VONDOOO..... :(

BlackHelicopters 08-05-2013 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859309)
If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

3-13

Fritz88 08-05-2013 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9859294)
They could make it happen if motivated and Albert gave assurances of a long term deal... I'd jump on this if it was at all possible but it's doubtful.

And what will.happen to Bulaga when he comes back?
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BigMeatballDave 08-05-2013 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9859355)
VONDOOO..... :(

Stupid

Ace Gunner 08-05-2013 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9859367)
And what will.happen to Bulaga when he comes back?
Posted via Mobile Device

they can move Albert to... oh wait :D

wazu 08-05-2013 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859309)
If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

Yes but that would give us a great draft pick to select our next LT.

AussieChiefsFan 08-05-2013 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859309)
If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

You know your shit, but my God you are pessimistic. LMAO

Rausch 08-05-2013 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9859316)
But Tannehill said he thinks Martin is doing a good job at LT.

He looked like $3it vs the Cowboys. Both their T's did...

Old Dog 08-05-2013 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9859410)
You know your shit, but my God you are pessimistic.

You get half credit for this answer

mcaj22 08-05-2013 07:49 AM

I'd rather keep Stephenson than Albert. He's younger, bigger and has more upside than Albert.

and would be much cheaper/cap flexible.

By all reports Stephenson could start today but is log jammed behind Albert and Fisher

Hoover 08-05-2013 07:53 AM

Bulaga's injury prone, when he returns next year he will have been out for almost two entire seasons. Albert would solidify the position for them.

For those who want to keep Albert, you do realize that he's walking after this season right?

Secondly, none of us think that the Chiefs are currently contenders, so way not spin a one year guy for a late first round pick? Do you want to be 8-8 or 10-6 this year and lose Albert, or would you rather be 8-8 or worse this year and have two first round picks to continue to build this team?

Chief Roundup 08-05-2013 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859309)
If we trade Albert now, we're looking at 4-12.

In one of the predictions threads you were saying 5 to 7 wins anyway.
So what you are really saying is that there won't be a very noticeable drop off if we trade Albert.

Dayze 08-05-2013 08:04 AM

I hear Fisher is Struggle-ling.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1271353642

Eleazar 08-05-2013 08:05 AM

I'd ship Albert up there for a late 1st/ 2nd immediately

BigCatDaddy 08-05-2013 08:07 AM

Trade Fisher for a 3rd.

Dayze 08-05-2013 08:19 AM

trade Smith, Fisher and Albert for McCarthy

Easy 6 08-05-2013 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9859460)
Bulaga's injury prone, when he returns next year he will have been out for almost two entire seasons. Albert would solidify the position for them.

For those who want to keep Albert, you do realize that he's walking after this season right?

Secondly, none of us think that the Chiefs are currently contenders, so way not spin a one year guy for a late first round pick? Do you want to be 8-8 or 10-6 this year and lose Albert, or would you rather be 8-8 or worse this year and have two first round picks to continue to build this team?

I'm not 100% sold, but there is definitely some widom to this... and we might not have to settle for 8-8 if Stephensons as good as some think.

BlackHelicopters 08-05-2013 08:21 AM

Trade Fisher. We can always get another MAC player 1.1 next year.

Easy 6 08-05-2013 08:25 AM

Yeah **** it, i'm sold now... love ya Branden, but it was happening next year anyway, bye.

Dayze 08-05-2013 08:26 AM

there's still time to trade Bowe and next year's 1st and 2nd for Jake Long.

Ace Gunner 08-05-2013 08:29 AM

branden albert planet

Hammock Parties 08-05-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9859463)
In one of the predictions threads you were saying 5 to 7 wins anyway.
So what you are really saying is that there won't be a very noticeable drop off if we trade Albert.

I'd say there is a huge difference between a 4 win team and a 7 win team.

Chief Roundup 08-05-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9859626)
I'd say there is a huge difference between a 4 win team and a 7 win team.

Sure not from 4 to 5 which is still in your prediction.

Hammock Parties 08-05-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9859638)
Sure not from 4 to 5 which is still in your prediction.

Kiss my ass, I guess.

Ace Gunner 08-05-2013 09:46 AM

does anyone know what the latest is on the Branden Albert trade situation? thx

ptlyon 08-05-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9859643)
does anyone know what the latest is on the Branden Albert trade situation? thx

Rumor is Reid traded him to the packers for a 7th and a case of cheese curds

Mr. Laz 08-05-2013 10:13 AM

too bad we didn't keep Winston on the roster ... we could trade his ass and get something now.

Sassy Squatch 08-05-2013 10:15 AM

Yeah, we won't be getting a first for him.

jspchief 08-05-2013 10:28 AM

The stephenson homerism around here is ridiculous.

Saccopoo 08-05-2013 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9859727)
The stephenson homerism around here is ridiculous.

I guarantee you that Stephenson was a better offensive tackle on the very same team at the same stage/class as 2013 top five draft pick Lane Johnson.

If Stephenson had stayed in school for his senior season, he definitely would have been in consideration as the first tackle off the board in this past draft. His size and measurables are even better than Fisher's and he's got very nice footwork and uses his hands very well. All he really needed to do is get into an NFL weight room/program and some additional reps.

In fact, because of the looming potential of being forced to franchise Albert yet again for the 2014 season, I'd definitely take at least a cursory glance at what the Packers might want. Then we could get Fisher over to the left side asap and get his reps in right now for building the continuity on the line now versus next season.

LT: Fisher
LG: Allen/Reynolds
C: Hudson/Kush
RG: Asamoah/Schwartz
RT: Stephenson

Both Reynolds and Schwartz can effectively play the tackle position in the event of injury, so there is your depth across the entire line.

If we could get the Packers first rounder in an Albert trade, I'd be all over that like stink on a monkey.

mcaj22 08-05-2013 10:52 AM

How is the Stephenson homerism ridiculous?

Alberts combine analysis:

STRENGTHS Positives: Rare size and athleticism for the guard position. ... Good initial quickness. ... Can get to and block effectively at the second level. ... Flashes violence in his initial hand punch. ... Good recoil and settle in pass protection. ... Massive player who can absorb the bull rush and anchor effectively. ... When he plays with leverage can be a very effective drive blocker. ... Ascending prospect who flashed foot quickness and balance in two starts at left tackle in 2007.

Negatives: A bit top-heavy. ... Can struggle against lesser players when he tires and plays with too high of a pad level. ... Good quickness to generate initial block, but too often doesn't sustain long enough. ... Flashes nastiness, but needs to play with more consistency. ... Marginal lateral quickness to pull.

Stephenson's combine analysis:

STRENGTHS Stephenson is very quick out of his stance, and this is his one shining quality. Has good footwork and is a lateral mover who can get beat by strength but recovers well to not allow sacks. Good when puling and working in the open field; has more value as a mover and second-level blocker. He can be nasty when finishing plays and is reliable to not allow sacks.

WEAKNESSES Stephenson is not very strong despite his size. Always in a stalemate and forces himself to use footwork. Quick off the line, but not explosive. Can get blown back by more explosive players in pass blocking




homerism liking the younger player with more potential and is cheaper on the salary cap? That also has the ability to be an NFL starter today? If that's homerism by all means.

Carlota69 08-05-2013 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9859313)
I still havent figured out why o linemen dont wear braces like they do in college.
Ive never worn them.
Are they too restrictive?

Im not sure why they dont, but I think the braces are restrictive. I had the one that is supposedly used in the NFL (It looks like the one RG3 is wearing in camp). But you see QBs use them, so I dont know why OL wouldnt.

BossChief 08-05-2013 11:27 AM

I wouldn't trade Albert for anything less than a second rounder.

If we play him this year and let him walk after the year, we get a third round comp pick for him...and we would have him for this year.

If we can get a second for him, do it.

Rausch 08-05-2013 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9859842)
I wouldn't trade Albert for anything less than a second rounder.

I wouldn't trade a top 15 player at his position for anything less than a 1st if he's under 30.

And I'd argue Albert is a top 10 LT...

Saul Good 08-05-2013 11:33 AM

I'd take a high to mid second. I could see their second and a fourth or fifth.

alpha_omega 08-05-2013 11:42 AM

My condolences to Packer fans. That's a tough way to start the preseason.

Cannibal 08-05-2013 11:42 AM

Trading Albert also let Fisher move to his natural position to start his career. I still maintain that a lot of his struggles in early training camp are from playing away from his natural position.

I'd pull the trigger for a 2nd or higher as well.

keg in kc 08-05-2013 11:43 AM

All this talk about sending them Albert. Come on. They'll plug in somebody random we've probably never heard of, Rodgers will continue to be Rodgers, and they'll make the playoffs yet again.

Cannibal 08-05-2013 11:45 AM

I don't know what type of back-ups they have for LT.

They might be desperate. The Packers want to win championships, simply making the playoffs is not what they're about.

Rausch 08-05-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9859875)
Trading Albert also let Fisher move to his natural position to start his career. I still maintain that a lot of his struggles in early training camp are from playing away from his natural position.

Or it could be because we drafted a guy who never really faced top talent in college and only elevated his status based on combine workouts.

Potential over production...

RealSNR 08-05-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9859878)
All this talk about sending them Albert. Come on. They'll plug in somebody random we've probably never heard of, Rodgers will continue to be Rodgers, and they'll make the playoffs yet again.

Marshall Newhouse kind of sucks buttpee.

thabear04 08-05-2013 11:50 AM

And to think people wanted him here in KC.

keg in kc 08-05-2013 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9859881)
Marshall Newhouse kind of sucks buttpee.

I was thinking more along the lines of some long-in-the-tooth guy sitting out there on the waver wire who comes in and resurrects himself for a couple years in yet another one of those heart-warming stories that seems to happen everywhere but here.

the Talking Can 08-05-2013 12:01 PM

hurry everyone! we need to help the Packers! give them our best OL!

AustinChief 08-05-2013 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9859881)
Marshall Newhouse kind of sucks buttpee.

Yeah and the only other viable tackles are Derek Sherrod (is he injured yet?) and rookie David Bakhtiari.

Most likely they will move Newhouse back to LT then hope and pray that Sherrod stays healthy while Bakhtiari gets up to speed.

The more I think about it.. it'd be tough for them to sign Albert to a long term deal. In 2014 they'd have 3 first round Tackles on the roster...

Ace Gunner 08-05-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9859769)
How is the Stephenson homerism ridiculous?

Alberts combine analysis:

STRENGTHS Positives: Rare size and athleticism for the guard position. ... Good initial quickness. ... Can get to and block effectively at the second level. ... Flashes violence in his initial hand punch. ... Good recoil and settle in pass protection. ... Massive player who can absorb the bull rush and anchor effectively. ... When he plays with leverage can be a very effective drive blocker. ... Ascending prospect who flashed foot quickness and balance in two starts at left tackle in 2007.

Negatives: A bit top-heavy. ... Can struggle against lesser players when he tires and plays with too high of a pad level. ... Good quickness to generate initial block, but too often doesn't sustain long enough. ... Flashes nastiness, but needs to play with more consistency. ... Marginal lateral quickness to pull.

Stephenson's combine analysis:

STRENGTHS Stephenson is very quick out of his stance, and this is his one shining quality. Has good footwork and is a lateral mover who can get beat by strength but recovers well to not allow sacks. Good when puling and working in the open field; has more value as a mover and second-level blocker. He can be nasty when finishing plays and is reliable to not allow sacks.

WEAKNESSES Stephenson is not very strong despite his size. Always in a stalemate and forces himself to use footwork. Quick off the line, but not explosive. Can get blown back by more explosive players in pass blocking




homerism liking the younger player with more potential and is cheaper on the salary cap? That also has the ability to be an NFL starter today? If that's homerism by all means.



comparing a OG to a OT -- you fit right into this board

Dayze 08-05-2013 12:23 PM

trade him for a 2nd; then have an incentive that he'll roll up onto Rodgers knee; trade Smiff for a 2nd.

winning

RealSNR 08-05-2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9859895)
I was thinking more along the lines of some long-in-the-tooth guy sitting out there on the waver wire who comes in and resurrects himself for a couple years in yet another one of those heart-warming stories that seems to happen everywhere but here.

Damien McIntosh is still available, I hear

RealSNR 08-05-2013 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9859906)
Yeah and the only other viable tackles are Derek Sherrod (is he injured yet?) and rookie David Bakhtiari.

Most likely they will move Newhouse back to LT then hope and pray that Sherrod stays healthy while Bakhtiari gets up to speed.

The more I think about it.. it'd be tough for them to sign Albert to a long term deal. In 2014 they'd have 3 first round Tackles on the roster...

Sherrod is still on PUP from last year's injury. He hasn't been cleared to practice at training camp yet.

DaneMcCloud 08-05-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9859880)
Or it could be because we drafted a guy who never really faced top talent in college and only elevated his status based on combine workouts.

Potential over production...

I seriously doubt it

Rausch 08-05-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9859969)
I seriously doubt it

I don't...


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