DON'T fire Ned Yost
 

Ned made a great decision in the bottom of the 10th inning today. If Ned hadn't had Getz pinch run for Billy, the inning would have been over before Justin Maxwell ever came to the plate.

Everybody hates Ned and wants him to be fired. I don't. He sometimes makes game-time decisions that are easy to second-guess, but you've got to give him credit: the Royals have just about the best clubhouse atmosphere and team camraderie of any team I've ever seen. Ned deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that.

Not only do I think Ned won't be fired, I'm convinced he shouldn't be fired.

Edit: I was drunk with the euphoria of Justin Maxwell's walkoff grand slam when I created this thread. I have since sobered up.

Uh, one no-brainer decision does not make up for the hundreds of horrendous decisions he's made throughout the year.

So this is the NEG rep thread?

**** you and your paragraphs.

This thread should be deleted and the hard drives crushed and burned!

I fear this isn't going to end well for you.

Screw you dude!

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8-20 May

I'm not saying Yost is a tactical genius. He's obviously not. But like I said, you've GOT to give him credit for the way this team has pulled together and put on a playoff run.

They could have easily quit after they went 4-19 during that horrendous stretch in May, and they could have easily quit after they lost 7 in a row in August. They didn't.

If they fired Ned Yost, who are you going to replace him with who would be better?

I'm almost afraid to look.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/...-reerun-It.jpg

ROFL

Every manager in baseball except perhaps Jim Leyland makes that same sub.

True, but neg. just kidding.

Just pretend it's a big wall of text.

**** you. What the **** kind of shitty thread is this?

I feel like I'm Direckshun right now.

If we have a chance to pull Charlie Manuel, you pull the trigger without ever looking back.

Ned's decisions unquestionably led us to a loss in two or perhaps three critical games down the stretch. He's a small ball overmanager who has no business overseeing a contender.

Agreed.

Leyland looked like an idiot when he didn't.

Maverick makes better threads than this.

You don't even need to be start to make that decision. Billy running the bases in that situation is a double play liability. That's the reason he was walked. He wasn't walked because they fear him, but because he's slow and would be an easy DP candidate almost regardless of where the ball is hit.

ROFL LMAO

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OK, I'll give you Charlie Manuel.

I give Ned no credit whatsoever for the success of this team. He has been directly responsible for a multitude of losses which have put this team in a much tighter spot than they really should be. Examples:

A) Letting Wade Davies stay in the starting rotation until August.
B) Repeatedly batting Chris Getz leadoff despite his .250 OBP or whatever.
C) Atrocious mismanagement of the bullpen all year long - most importantly, not letting Louis Coleman pitch in high-pressure situations, and instead letting proven losers like Crow, Herrera, and Davies pitch in those situations.
D) Repeatedly leaving starters in too long. For example, blowing the game against Detroit last Sunday by trotting out Guthrie for the 8th inning when he was already over 100 pitches and had given up 12 hits.
E) Choking away the huge game against Cleveland last Tuesday - wasting Ventura's great start. Coleman, in a rare appearance in a pressure situation, gets a bases-loaded strikeout to get out of a jam. Yost promptly pulls him the next inning, allowing the usual suspects (Herrera and Davies) to blow the lead.
F) Having Carlos Pena pinch hit for Jarrod Dyson in a huge situation with the season on the line.
G) Calls sacrifice bunts like it's 1920.

I could go on and on. This is just off the top of my head.

You forgot about the game where Shields was pitching a 2-hit shutout and leading 1-0 after 8 innings. Yost put Holland in and Holland promptly blew the save.

I can't really argue with any of the points you raised. Ned's blunders can be infuriating.

LOL. Then why did you start this thread?

Stop it.

This is great.

I will say I don't think that PR substitution was a gimme. Getz' run didn't matter, and if the Royals fail to score you've lost your cleanup hitter the rest of the game over a meaningless substitution. Ned would've probably been criticized for that.

This thread is more awkward than Brad Nessler saying Shady McCoy.

Of course, the problem with Charlie Manuel is that he's pushing 70 years old and he's already had a heart attack, quadruple bypass surgery, a blocked and infected colon, and kidney cancer. I don't think he'd be the right choice for a young team because he might not be around very long.

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That's exactly right. If the game had gone several more innings and the DH spot came up again with Butler out of the game, people would have been screaming about his idiocy.

thought he did a decent job this year .. cant call every move right .....

All baseball fans hate their manager ROFL it is hilarious listening to the whining all year

Got a pitching staff that was tied for lowest ERA in the American League and still having trouble making the playoffs in a year they added one team to the playoffs. Thanks Ned!

Brainiac? More like Dumbassiac.

You're a Cards fan.

You know nothing of Ned Yost and the Royals.

Shut it.

Remember when we could have swept Cleveland? I do, but unfortunately Yost felt the best two pitchers to use when holding a lead were Herrera and Davis, possibly our two worst pitchers. No he needs to be fired as an even competent manager would have us already locked in for a WC spot and not needing a miracle to make it. Sadly though we will finish over .500 this year and still have a shot at the WC so he will come back. Lucky us.

The bullpen ERA is one of the best of the live ball era. You may not agree with his decisions but using it as a reason to fire him is stupid.

Not because of pitchers like Herrera.

The Yost discussions all year have made for some humorous game threads.

He banished Crow and that alone is proof he's not dumb

Please kill yourself

Luckily Crow only had to serve up three walkoffs before Ned came to that realization.

Why was Kottaras put in in that situation today?

^^^^ get out of my brain

How about when he took out Cain, who actually hits well vs. righties, and puts in .179 hitting Kottaras? What a genius.

2 walk off walks in 3 games happens.

Reading the Cardinal thread makes me back off on the Ned Yost hate. You guys bitch about Matheny and before that LaRussa the same shit that is said about Yost.

Loaded basses one out...need to put one in the outfield...not Kottaras' strength

Fire him, hire Joe Girardi this offseason.

Dick Howser redux? That would work.

I really don't put this year on him. Look at all the games where the pitching was ok, but nobody could hit worth a crap. And have still won a lot of games. We just need Cabrera and Trout.

Cabrera and Trout? How about the fillings from my teeth?

I've said it before, I think they should have gotten Dunn. Yes, he only hits like 250, but he is a risk every time he walks out. Sox wanted to get rid of him and he even starts talking about retirement. We could have used a few of his bombs.

It's funny because Dunn has been around forever but he's only 33. He always seems to be a fan favorite... although he hasn't even hit near .250 for like 4 years. He's more like a .200 hitter now. Wonder if he has another resurgence in him.

Other weird thing about him is he hits a ton of homers, but he has played 13 years and never made the playoffs once.

No need to fire him. Let him manage these last seven games. His contract is up at the end of the season.

FTLOG, though, do not offer him another contract...

Would be funny to see him win 85 for a small market team and let him go by tellin him it woulda been 95 if only for his bad managing. I bet we'd have a flood of applicants wanting to come work with us. A tsunami of the best in baseball

I know that. His career avg is 230 something, but he also has well over 400 homers.

They probably would not trade him to KC unless it was a stupid offer anyway.

And Dunn has over 1200 walks in his career. He is boom or bust, but he is fun to watch.

One more thing Ned Yost deserves blame for:

Let's not forget about his whining to Dayton Moore about needing hitting coaches who would teach guys to hit for more power... introducing the situation that led to the Jack Maloof/Andre David disaster.

I put a big portion of the blame for the May swoon on those buffoons screwing up almost the entire team's worth of hitters.

Yost has not cost the Royals 10 games overall or even probably 5 overall. But I feel comfortable saying he has cost them at least 2-3 over the course of the season (all things considered, good and bad), and that's likely to be the margin between playoff baseball and anxiously awaiting next year while trying to figure out how to convince Carlos Beltran to come "home" to end his career.

Adam Dunn is about the worst fit imaginable for this team. He can only play one spot where we already have an 8m payroll cancer occupying. Second, there is no second, there's no spot. And that's if he wasn't a fat slow aging no-care hanger on cashing his last paychecks

And Yost would have no problem getting another job. Any rebuilding team with young players would jump at the chance to hire him.

That's what people forget. EVERY manager makes decisions that don't work out. Ned Yost is not a good tactical manager, but he is the best fit for this team right now because the players believe in him and they believe in each other.

don't care about the thread

just wanted to say that i'd hit that

There. Fixed it.

So which team is most likely to falter: TB or Cleveland? Not sure I see either losing out with a 3.5 lead and only 7 games left. (And TX is still 2 ahead of the Royals.)

OP, I see where you're coming from, but you're just wrong on this.

Ned makes a few good decisions here and there, but they are the kinds of decisions that any competent manager should be able to make.

However, his bad decisions far outweigh the good ones. I can't ever remember a time where I went "Wow, what a great decision from Ned!" in a situation that wasn't totally obvious. A manager isn't going to win you many games with tactics. Maybe 3-4 over the season. But a bad manager can really, really cost you. We'd be solidly in the playoffs right now if it weren't for Ned.

TB. Cleveland's schedule is so weak that they would have to implode to not make it. We still have a shot because we are not mathematically eliminated yet.

Ned sure did a great job after the break when we were left for dead. Something like .630 since. He will get some manager of year votes if we get past 85 wins

ROFL

Yes, the bullpen ERA is great because of Holland, Hochevar, Chen, and the aforementioned, terribly-misused Coleman. Not because of Crow, Davies, and Herrera's performances in high-pressure situations. Pay attention.

Francona (who has outclassed Ned head to head all year) should have that award in the bag.

He was 10-9 vs Ned and was outscored 81-83. Yeah, totally outclassed him head to head. Good one.

I still think the "more homeruns" thing came from ownership and Dayton and Ned had to be the face of it.

And... F*** him for not bringing cheerleaders to the sport... Had he, I might have gone more!

So...

Wade Davis, bitches.