AFCW: Week 4
 

Let me start by saying that I'm honestly very happy to see the Chiefs playing well. I've said this for years - but, I love it when the division is dominant. It's great for everyone in the long run and from a rivalry perspective, it's greatness.

I don't think either KC or Denver has truly been tested yet by a complete team... but, you can only play the teams that are up next and do what you're supposed to do. Things will shake out a bit over the next month and we'll have a much better picture at the halfway mark.

Broncos 3-0
Chiefs 3-0
Chargers 1-2
Raiders 1-2

Flip the order for Den and KC and it doesn't matter at this point...

Week 4 has the following:

Eagles @ Broncos
Giants @ Chiefs
Cowboys @ Chargers
Redskins @ Raiders

It's a pure NFCE vs AFCW and all AFC teams are at home...

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked with any result in this game. The NFCE teams have talent and most are scrambling to find a win, especially the Giants. It's been ugly through 3 weeks and @ KC is going to be miserable for them if they don't figure out how to play football again.

The Eagles are interesting to me because of Vick/McCoy/Jackson ... that's a trio that can be lethal and Denver likes to play soft at times on 3rd down, against scrambling QBs and they give up big plays. I think the Broncos offense will be more than they can handle, but I think it will be a shootout.

The Cowboys and Chargers are a toss up to me - both have big play potential but both can play brain dead with the best of them.

Raiders and Redskins... another one that I wouldn't touch from a gambling perspective, but Shanny loves beating the Raiders and they're due if the defense can man up. I think the Redskins surprise them here, esp if Pryor is dinged up.

My thoughts...

Chiefs 34 / Giants 20
Broncos 44 / Eagles 34
Cowboys 27 / Chargers 24
Redskins 20 / Raiders 16

And, there you go... how about you?

Chiefs 24 / Giants 27 / OT
Broncos 38 / Eagles 5,280
Chargers 17 / Cowboys 23
Redskins 10 / Raiders 17

Chiefs win. Don't want to predict a score.

Donks win, Don't want to predict a score

Chargers 28, Dallas 17

Redskins 10 Raiders 13

Sounds about right

The chiefs will never score 34 points...

I'm really fighting off bad vibes for this week's game, but I'm placing my faith in Reid and being home.

Chiefs 21, Giants 20
Broncos 45, Eagles 38
Cowboys 31, Chargers 21
Redskins 28, Raiders 17

I'm accounting for defensive scores... :D maybe you are as well.

AFCW goes 3-1 with only the Raitards losing...

34 points would be nice. Think that's a bit more than we've shown ourselves capable at this point, unless we have multiple defensive/special teams scores. Course, in the end, don't really care how much we put on the board, as long as it's at least 1 more point than New York. Although a win where we're dominant in all three phases would make me feel better about our continued success.

I think Philadelphia has an outside shot at upsetting Denver. Best offense the donkeys have played based on the first three weeks. But I don't think Philly can stop that offense.

Cowboys and Chargers game is hard to pick. They're like mirror images. I guess SD since it's there.

I think the Redskins beat the Raiders. Washington's defense is horrible, but Oakland's offense isn't exactly high powered.

Hah, that's what I was thinking.

Giants, Broncos, Cowboys, Redskins

I think for the most part, the NFCE will take this week.

Chiefs 27
Giants 6

5 sacks
4-0

You know the Giants have given up 36, 41 and 38 in each of the last 3 games...

Chiefs have scored 28, 17 and 26 ... so 34 isn't really going out on a limb here.

And, regarding the best offense the Broncos have seen ... I dunno, looking at Playmakers - I'd put the Giants over them easily as a whole. They're just in a rut right now.

Going to be a tough game for the Chiefs. Expect a lot of Bad calls from the refs as they try to save Eli Mae's season. We will prob be held every play with no calls on defense with a couple of phantom defensive pass calls to help them along.

I think we still win this- the Offense will have a complete day and run the clock better than they have.

Wow. Denver gets another home game. What's that make it 3 out of 4 to start the season with the times and dates for the first 3 providing the most rest possible between games? Denver is good enough not to need NFL Wellfare. Just one of the reasons why I cant stand their asses. They get special treatment - always have.

I laughed after the game last night when I heard BIG HEAD say,"It's going to be tough this week because it's a short one"...LOL! Well Paeton, you prima donna, you just got the MOST REST POSSIBLE between games to start the season - :shake:

Oh back to this topic - I don't see KC winning this week. The 0-3 Giants are DESPORATE! It's not a good matchup for KC. Little Manning will go deep and burn our CB's becasue we play a LOT of man coverage. The calls are going to go against the Chiefs - can't have the Giants go 0-4.

Cheating Donx over the Eagles
The Boys over the Bolts
The Redskins over the Raiders

Every team in the division loses EXCEPT Denver - just how the league office likes it!

:deevee:

Yeah it is, when you understand the situation of our scoring. The reality is that our offense scored 21, 17 and 19 in games where there was a every potential for KC to score in the 30s or 40s. Now, if the Giants continue their trend of turning the ball over 1100 times/game and we continue our trend of taking it away 1100 times/game, 34 points is possible, but until the offense can start to do some things on its own, it's an outside shot at best.I'm talking pure performance through 3 weeks. The Eagles have done more on the field than either Baltimore (who has yet to have a good offensive day) or the Giants. I would also argue that the trio of Vick, Jackson and McCoy is more talented than anyone they've faced the first three weeks, and while Vick is certainly capable of giving a game away, Eli's outdoing him there this year.

Well, to even the score... this team with an old broke neck QB has to travel for 4 of the final 6.

@NEP
@KC
TEN
SDC
@HOU
@OAK

5 of their 8 games after the bye week are on the road. Does that not even things up a touch? I'd much rather have it the other way around.

I'm sure it's only a coincidence that they play 4 home games in the 6 weeks Miller is out.

Yeah, but the EAGLES have played the Redskins, Chargers and Chiefs...

Giants lost a fairly close one @ Dallas, blown our vs DEN and fell asleep vs the Panthers.

You can slice these things so many ways. WAS may be the worst defense in the league and SD isn't that great.

:hmmm: You know that's a great point. And, riddle me this... a cold weather team NOT playing at home in the final two weeks, but rather in south Texas and in Southern California. Hmmm...

Where's Oliver Stone?

Dude you're EXACTLY right. Gotta mae sure Manning and the Broncos get off to a good start. Makes me F-Ing MAD as HELL! Here's the deal with Miller - he should have been suspended for a whole year. Dude tried to alter the drug test. It's laughable that they only added 2 games to his suspension and gave the Donx the home schedule they did to start the year. A complete JOKE!

Jesus. That time of the month?

Yes, all part of the master plan...

Big Deal - several teams are in that exact boat. Things will be settled LONG before then. NONE got the break Denver got to start the season. N-O-N-E. ALL Denver did was win a Division and they get treated like they won the Super Bowl or something - actually they get treated better than the team that did. Actually they got treated better than any team in the league to start. What a surprise. :rolleyes:

There are no complete teams anymore. Teams have to hide their weaknesses and play to their strengths.

I think San Diego is better defensively than you're giving them credit for.

Either way, McCoy and Vick are both better than the equivalent players on the Giants right now, and Jackson is at least equivalent to Cruz. Nicks is better than Avant, but I don't think it's a night-and-day thing. I'd probably take Celek and Ertz over Myers and whoever else the Giants have.

Now that I've said all that, watch the Giants lay 40 on us.

That's fine by me. When they get back to play two weeks later with home field advantage, they won't be ready for the cold weather.

Another bye bye Peyton moment.

Sure the **** is. Only your kind cant see it that way. Never have and never will. Are you actually trying to suggest that the league does not play favorites???? You know damn well it does. You're far from an idiot, but you are a Donx fan so I understand the mindset.

if the Chiefs offense can't score on the Giants, we have real problems...this i'm afraid to throw to WRs thing has got to stop, and they have to throw the damn ball to our highest paid WR (why did we pay him?)...even if he is - gasp! - "covered" (which actually means "not wide open" or "not a rb out of the backfield")

regardless, the Giants are a gutless shit show and our defense - even if it gives up a couple of big td plays - should still generate enough mayhem for the Chiefs to win..but a nervy 24-17 game wouldn't shock me...our offense hasn't shown a killer instinct yet

i don't think Denver can disrupt Philly's offense the way we did, but it won't matter...Denver will straight rape the eagles defense..35-24, but feels like a blowout

Dallas beats the Chargers, they're just better imo...and Rivers is a bigger clown than Romo..i also think (hope) this is the game that Dez goes off for 2 tds

Washington beats the Raiders...RGIII is slowly pulling it together

Isn't there a distant Manning cousin you guys could put on your practice squad so the league wouldn't hate you so much?

You know, 5 of the first 8 games for KC are in Arrowhead right?

Dallas, Giants, Texans ... all in KC...

Cry me a river, big guy. Some of you are way too consumed with your conspiracy theories that it doesn't allow you to just appreciate your team and what is happening right now.

I wish we were playing a other 0-3 team.
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Weren't the giants desperate before last weeks game too?

Maybe, just maybe, they're a shit team?

Well said.

Possibly, but they're not a shit team in the sense of no play makers... they have a lot of talent. Something is broken though, they're getting deep into a hole and may not recover, but they need to turn the page soon if they have any hope of 8-8.

They must've spent hours last night on ESPN talking about Manning throwing receivers open. Maybe we should try that once or twice.

Exactly, if we score a TD instead of a field goal on of the red zone field goals and we have 30 points. That Philly game shouldn't have even been close.

They have Cruz and nicks on offense, so there is talent there. But that defense outside of 1 guys, just doesn't have playmakers

You're using that as reasoning for why we should score 30, but I'm using it as reasoning for why it isn't likely. Because the truth is that we haven't been scoring TDs when we had favorable field position, not after the Jacksonville game. Hopefully that changes this week, and we can have a blowout instead of a nailbiter.

If this offense ever starts to click (and it should, at some point...) then we're going to be a tough team to beat.

The Eagles are in no way scared of the Donks

You guys been talking? :D

Cruz might shock Brandon Flowers pretty hard. He's like a compromise between Desean Jackson and Dez Bryant. Flowers better have had plenty of rest with those extra 3 days.

I'm more of a Chicago guy :D

I miss Rush street, gotta get back there

you can watch any game on any sunday and see QBs regularly throwing to covered WRs...its the NFL, if WRs are wide open, someone made a mistake

Best news possible.

We haven't consistently but when it matters we have scored TDs.

every drive matters

if we convert any of the gifts that our defense handed us in the first half, the 4th quarter of the Eagles game becomes irrelevant...

Six TDs (4 pass, 2 rush) in 3 games for a 3-0 team sounds kinda low... but, it is what it is I suppose.

That's the point that nobody gets.You'll see a lot of QBs shrug off 4th quarter comeback numbers for that very reason. "If I'd played better in the first three quarters, we wouldn't have had to come back".

Not that it isn't great that they can magically run the ball in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. That isn't a bad thing in any way. But they need to figure out how to stretch that out for the rest of the game. The offense needs to sustain drives in the first 3 quarters. We're actually a contender if we do that.

I've been looking at the various stats... and I'll be honest, I've only been able to watch Denver games and some parts of a few others ... in addition to highlights. So, I haven't had the time to see as much as in years past.

But, I hadn't noticed how big a piece of the action that Charles was so far... Bowe only has 9 receptions in 3 games? That's crazy...

Your defense can be as badass as it likes, but if your offense keeps up the pace they're on... it's going to result in some long days.

3 a game? That's nuts.

Ya don't have to score a lot when your defense is giving up less than 12 pt a game :hmmm:

In defense of our qb, he threw Bowe open 2 last week and he dropped them, so I don't know how much trust there is there and that's a problem our qb seems to have over the course of his career.


However, I'm not really shocked that this new offense isn't really chugging along on all cylinders yet. It's still a new system, new players, etc. however, it's obviously got to get better and if by week 8 it's not, we've got problems

Bam! :clap:

Oh, so it's a "will thing" and not a "skill thing". Got it, you better hope they can flip the switch when they need it.

At first glance, it seems right to blame Alex Smith, but I would love to see the OL start to mature and give Alex Smith more time so he can do just that.

Just maybe, once Alex has some confidence in the line giving him some time on a more frequent basis, we might see better production from Bowe.

Yeah, it's not that. They just aren't clicking for most of the game, and I don't believe it's from a lack of "want to".

New system, new players, very young o-line that isn't gelling yet. They'll come around. Or they won't. :shrug:

I'm not blaming Alex Smith. I think he's doing exactly what he's being asked to do.

Which is what exactly... win the game or don't lose the game? Big difference.

Right now I'm pretty sure it's don't lose. I think at some point it needs to shift to win.

(And don't misinterpret that as me assuming a lack of confidence in Smith by the coaching staff, I think there's more to it than that)

That last Giant game plus our win in Philly changed my perception on this game. I think the fans are in for a real treat on Sunday. Stadium will be loud and fun...It's a rare aligning of the stars here...Chiefs will light up the scoreboard, at least 30 point and the Giants will be fortunate to score 10. This will be a huge game in terms of confidence building. If they get out of this one with no serious injuries the season shapes up as very special. Now is the time to restore fully that arrowhead advantage. Marty should give Dorsey a call and tell him how useful the Arrowhead advantage can be...they need to feed the fans...and that means run up the score. I think it's possible.

Well hell, a 3-0 team at home vs an 0-3 team that got blown out by the Panthers a week ago and everyone here says they suck... I hope that's possible.

I didn't intend to say you were keg, just commenting about my own thought pattern to date. I am trying as hard as I possibly can to be positive about Alex Smith and his potential as a Chief.

I must admit though, watching Cutler Sunday evening, made me wish that we had a QB that could make throws like that. Watching Geno Smith in his third game reminded me about what could have been.

Agreed. It's early yet... I'm just happy to be talking smack with you guys looking at your team being 3-0 for a change.

forward thinking -- I like that :D

Screw that, I'm excited at finally having our very own Trent Dilfer.

I figure we have who we have, so I don't think there's much to be gained by pondering on what could've been. The big question is what we can do to make the guys that are here perform at a higher level. We have a smart coaching staff, so hopefully they figure it out.

The Giants worry me not because they are the Giants, but because they're a desperate 0-3 Team that was just embarrassed.

I think the Chiefs match up very well with the Giants, better than they've matched up with Dallas and Philly. Im a little worried about their pass rush....but it's mainly the 0-3 thing that worries me.

Dallas and San Diego should be a close one, i think they're very similar.

Exactly, and thus my comment about the OL maturing and giving Alex Smith more time. Once that happens, hopefully the Coaching Staff will open some things up.

I wonder if there are any stats on how much time the QB actually has? If so, it hasn't been much by my observation.

i don't, i think he is leaving plays on the field...my concern is less his conservative instincts than the fact that he doesn't 'see' the field under pressure, imo

he looks at the pressure, and he looks at the short zones, but he amazingly 'never' finds a player down field...i think his persona (game manager) is providing a bit of cover for a lack of skill

but right now, not turning it over is his best skill...given our inability to score, any turnovers would be fatal, so we're in this perverse circle of his weakness being a strength that is still a weakness...

and not getting more out of Bowe is inexcusable...jesus, look what weis and cassle did with him...Bowe can be a playmaker, in spite of some drops, and needs to be targeted more than our damned fullback

Chiefs 23
Giants 20

I agree with what you're seeing, I just think that they don't want him taking chances, and they don't want him taking sacks. I think the idea for right now is to get the ball out of his hands to the safest option he sees as quickly as possible. I hope that changes if and when the offensive line begins to play better, and when perhaps (this is just a pet theory...) they're sure that the receivers are in the right places at the right time.

If he's still playing like this in week 12 (and he might well be, based on his history...) we have a problem.

For as much as we talk about watching other games and throwing guys open, the same is true for pressuring qbs.

There aren't many who can excel when pressured

i expect it to get better, I just hate seeing him double pump and then run around like a chicken because he doesn't trust either a) what he's seeing or b) his arm...i have literally never seen a QB 'almost' throw a pass as often as Smith

but hey, 3-0

Charles is the leading WR and that's a bit of a problem from how I see it.

Avery has 11 catches with Bowe at 9 catches - through 3 games.

7 of Avery's 11 catches came against Philly, same with 7 of Charles' catches.

Conservative is a pretty good way to describe the passing game at this point... will be interesting to see how that changes in the coming weeks.

vs Giants / @ TEN / vs OAK / vs HOU

I would throw "c) his offensive line" in there as well. I don't think mentioning them is just a convenient excuse for him at this point. There have been jailbreak moments every week.

This is the week of the Bowe show

It seems that's become taboo to say around here