Gonzalez needs to come home
 

Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm.

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The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over.

Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline.

Do I need to connect the dots any more than that?

There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why:

1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez

The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays.

2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez

The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez.

3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High

I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity.

4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found

I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines.

5. The Timing Is Right

The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits.

6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often

As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all.

7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up

Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that?

Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey.

Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs!

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would be a great move for the Chiefs...I doubt it happens.

I think the smart move would be to pass.

For a 5th, yes.

Having Tony G, Fasano, and The Beard for TE's would be fantastic.

I think so too. A TE with AS what THIS team needs. Gordon would be nice, but Smith cant get the ball to him. A TE who can block on the Oline, and it being the best that ever played? Im all for this.

There really is no reason not to do this. 6th rounder? Hell yeah. Love him or hate him, Gonzalez is still elite at his position and Alex Smith's play hinges on the efficiency of the tight end position. Gonzalez, Fasano and McGrath would be pretty sweet.

Guarantee you if Gonzalez was here that Bowe would be having more success as well because they couldn't double him every down.

Come back TG

For a draft pick? No.

I could go for it if it were a contingent 6th that only kicked in if the Chiefs make it to the Superbowl, but even then I'd worry a little bit about how it would impact the locker room.

This issue's been thoroughly debated. I agree with the OP. The only thing that's changed since the discussion began is that now it's painfully obvious that Atlanta's done. Had they won Sunday and been convincing against TB, I would have thought ATL might be buyers and go in on Gordon or someone like that.

But they're 2-5. They're the 3rd best team in their division. There's no way they catch SF/SEA (whoever loses that division) for the Wild Card, and I doubt they can catch the Lions, Bears, Cardinals (head-to-head down), and Panthers for the other spot.

From our perspective, it now makes more sense because the argument that the offense is "gelling" or coming together can be thoroughly defeated by yesterday's result. The offense doesn't need more time. It needs more weapons. And getting Gonzalez is a win-now move that doesn't do much of anything to impact your win-later goals, assuming you give up nothing higher than a 5th.

Anything over a 5th they can pound sand.

I've thought this was a pipe dream all along, but I'm coming around to the idea that this needs to happen, assuming the price isn't too high.

I doubt it comes to fruition though.

Yeah it's probably still a long shot. But it's certainly not as laughable as some have made it out to be.

6th Round, 5th if the Chiefs make it to the Superbowl.

Yep, that would be fair,.

He isnt known for being locker room cancer, plus it states in the OP that players have said they'd welcome it.

The media's been bleating about this for a few weeks now. In all that time, I haven't heard Gonzalez say anything but "I want to stay in Atlanta." Not a peep about his time in Kansas City, not a word about how much he appreciated the fans, not a sound about his legacy as a Chief. Why?

Because he doesn't give a **** about Kansas City. Or its fans. Or his legacy as a Chief. He cares about his legacy as Tony Gonzalez. The end.

If he comes back, he comes back. I'll welcome him because we need him. But if Arrowhead had been swallowed by a giant sinkhole yesterday when it was full of fans, he wouldn't have given two shits.

Would love this move and from Dorsey's perspective it makes sense in every way. He already has a relationship with some of the guys in the locker room, and would obviously add so perfectly to this offense it boggles my mind. Bring him home Dorsey!

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what do you want him to say? he cant say whats really on his mind in this circumstance. Plus he has stated time and time again that he would retire as a Chief. How is that not respecting to his time here?

I have less concern with him than I'd have with Josh Gordon, but even though he won't go Dez Bryant on anyone, it's hard to predict how his teammates will react to the return of the prodigal son.

If he helps us win, and get to the next level on offense, I dont see whats to not like.

Can't say what's on his mind? You mean like when he doesn't realize he's wearing a hot mic and bitches about having to deal with the little people? Unless there's a camera rolling, of course.

He's a dick. Which is fine, because I don't want to hang out with him - I want him to catch passes and block. And if you think he's all dreamy, I get that, but that does nothing for me.

All this COME BACK SHANE! crap is laughable. Kansas City is not Tony Gonzalez's home.

I couldnt care less if hes a dick or not (Ive met him many times and hes not a dick to me anyways), if he gets this team to the next level, I could give a **** what he says on a hot mic.

Sure, but if he doesn't, what's to like?

The team rolling the dice and going for it NOW!

If we want to do more than get our asses handed to us in the coming weeks, then we need to try and get him back.

This whole Axl shit-fest was predicated on WIN NOW. So, you'd better get the piece that can help make it happen.

We actually agree!:clap:

The only thing I'd change about the OP is the "coming home" part. I don't view this move with nostalgia. He's still a top level TE who can make the plays our offense desperately needs on 3rd downs and in the red zone. And if he can be had for a 5th or less, I say that's a good football decision.

How can anybody not think this guy would be worth a 5th rounder? Have you seen the collection of clowns we drafted this past Spring? Afraid we won't get one more of those next year? WHY?! I'd pull trigger for a 4th rounder in a heartbeat. Let's not forget this regime considered Alex Smith to be worth two 2nd round picks.

I don't like mortgaging any part of the future just for the sake of doing something.

The writing is clearly on the wall. If Gonzales becomes a Chief again, it helps the blocking as well as opening up the rest of the field. It brings a greater level of honesty to the offense that the opposing defense has to account for.

We've herp-derped our way through some shitty wins against shitty teams. If we want to be legit for the rest of the season, and ESPECIALLY the post-season, then Gonzales needs to be here.

Why waste a pick for someone that Smith won't throw to? Tony doesn't get wide open any more. Almost all of his catches are made over good/decent coverage. Matt Ryan makes those kind of throws but Alex doesn't.

Neither do I(Smith), but here we are.

Only way I would trade for Gonzalez is if the Falcons acknowledged the history and weren't trying to get every last drop out of a deal for him and you could get him relatively cheap. The guy has questioned whether he's done or not for like 3 years now.

I see your point, but I believe the trust factor gets multiplied exponentially in this scenario.

Why would Smith have any trust in Tony? He wouldn't have worked with him at all and would have very little time to get timing down due to limited practice time during the season.

Anyone who says that adding Gonzalez to the team wouldn't at least marginally improve this offense is blinded by their butthurt.

You can definitely argue whether he's worth a draft pick. (and we've argued that point thoroughly.)

You can argue chemistry issues, too (but I think Flowers' comments tell you that it would be a popular move in the locker room and this offense isn't progressing right now.)

But to say he's not an improvement or wouldn't help? Just stupid. And about his ego? Who cares? Everyone has an ego. He's always been productive and effective.

Because he's a Hall of Famer, that's why.

I'd offer the Chiefs 6th round pick. If the Chiefs go to the Super Bowl, I'd give them the Cowboys 6th round pick that was traded for Edgar Jones.

I can't think of one single reason why the Chiefs shouldn't make this trade.

Perhaps not immediately, but definitely by the time we reach December.

I don't think your assumptions are valid. For example, I don't think Flowers' comments mean it would be popular in the locker room. It may or may not be popular with Flowers.

Also, Gonzales has quite possibly the most sure hands to ever play the position.

:facepalm:Goddamnit, Saul.

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Gonzalez is still a top 10-TE in the NFL. Watch how defenses literally give up two defenders to ride him doggy-style on every play. He's experienced, physical, smart, and a witch in the red zone/3rd down.

But yeah, let's save that 5th or 6th round pick for a backup FB from Southwest Alaska State.

Maybe. I've seen Atlanta several times this year and Tony just looks slow. Maybe it's age, maybe it's missing all of training camp, maybe it's just the losing.

A half season rental for a HOFer on his last legs who may or may not help better be super low compensation.

Patteau, I respect your points. I don't agree with them. Flowers is a leader on that team. He's no idiot. He knows what they have, and who Gonzo is. But hey, praise God this will all be resolved in just over 24 hours, trade or no trade.

BIG

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DEAL

Some of you guys act like Tony owes this organization something. If anything, its quite the other way around.

Sorry that you all got your little feelings hurt when Tony left to try to get a ring after languishing for most of his hall of fame career here with an organization that cared more about its bottom line than making a championship run.

He put in the ****ing WORK here. He worked his ****ing ass off, stayed late, worked on his game, and became the best in the ****ing business, and this organization let him down. He had every right after being here for so ****ing long and getting dicked around by King Carl to try his hand somewhere else.

You know Goddamn well that Tony Gonzalez was not winning a superbowl had he stayed here. Period. End of ****ing story, if you even attempt to say otherwise, just go ahead and flush what credibility you have down the shitter.

Dude doesn't have to talk about his time here, he doesn't have to talk about old hat. Half the bullshit that comes out of the mouths of these players in public anyway is all PC lip service. What the hell was he supposed to say? I loved being the best player at my position despite rarely having a competent QB, and never once winning a playoff game in over a decade? WHEW! Whats not to love there eh?

All he needs to do is produce on the football field, which he is still doing at a very high level, and his position just so happens to be the one that Alex Smith's efficiency hinges on. If we can get the guy in here, it would be huge for this offense.

People need to drop the Grandpa Dick schtick. Oh he's not a nice guy! He hurt my feelings because he bailed on our AIDS infested dumpster fire of an organization that never made a real attempt at a championship run in his entire tenure here. DO NOT WANT!!

Take that noise the **** on, because its ****ing ridiculous.

Tony set the bar for the TE position during his career here, and the dude is still a force on the field. Why anyone would not want that ability, and that presence on the field for this offense is quite beyond my comprehension, especially for something SO ****ING PETTY as "he didn't say anything about us! waaaaah!".

It would also be win win for a lot of you little butthurt Tony haters here as well, because if and when the team did lose, you all could pound your little chests and blame it all on Tony G and tell us all about how you told us how bad of an idea it was to bring him in.


Sweet baby Jesus. I don't know what the hell the issue is here. Getting Tony Gonzalez on the field with this offense is a no brainer. If it is possible to get done for fair value on what remains of this season, it has to get done.

Even if he didn't ask to come here. Dude wants to win.

LMAO.

We really need to relinquish the draft.

Marry me.o:-)

Hey reerun, I want him back. I'm just not all gushy over it.

Learn to ****ing read.

Your love letter made me cry a little.

Exactly. There is no emotion about this for me at all. It's pure ****ing business.

It's the Tessio-move. Tessio was always the smart one.

Exactly. He's a hired gun that we need. So hire him.

Let's hope that it works out before for us than it did Tessio. :D

Tony is still one of the top ten and other teams would have to game plan for him. COME ON CHIEFS MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

LMAO

Im not reeruned.

Im a very special boy.

I like to think that Tessio drove off in that car, had a contingency plan, and spent the rest of his years drinking margaritas in the sun.

Yep, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

what are you babbling about? Neither owes anything. The organization gave him what he wanted...a chance to win a championship by being traded to Atlanta. Too bad they weren't good enough. It isn't like we traded him to the Jaguars or anything. Tony don't owe, ....organiztion does not owe

A conditional 5th or 6th is mortgaging the future? 8 regular season games + playoff games of TG would be a better investment of the pick than just about any player we pick up in the draft with it.

I figure he got the cannoli treatment, they just didn't show it.

The Gordon and Gonzalez threads are crazy. Have we had any indication whatsoever from the actual organization that anything to this end is happening at all?

Until we get some actual news what is the use in debating this endlessly?

Staves off the boredom.

You are right.... back to the Alex sucks thread with ya!!

yeah, for sure.

They were just talking on ESPN saying ATL still had a glimmer of hope. hahahaha

Trading a fifth or sixth round pick for Tony isn't mortgaging the future! You have to break a few eggs to make an omlett.

But but but but......Tom Brady was picked 6th round! TEH FUTURE AT STAKE!

/patteeu

Yes, it's mortgaging a part of the future. Every 5th round pick isn't a Dante Hall or a Brandon Carr or a Kendrick Lewis or a Joe Horn, but some of them are.

I think there's a lot of delusional people in here if you think the Falcons will send Tony back for a (conditional) late round pick.

Their playoffs hopes may be over, but Mike Smith still needs to win games for job security. Will he get fired one year removed from a NFC Championship appearance? Likely not. Following that up with a 3-13/4-12 year firmly puts him in the hot seat for 2014 and if he farts in front of the wrong person his ass is ****ing gone.

Tony is basically their most productive player on Offense right now and it goes beyond the field. Having a veteran like him in the locker room is rather valuable in terms of helping the younger players understand the game and to keep the locker room from fracturing in a lost season.

The Falcons don't owe him shit. Arthur Blank didn't hold a gun to his head and say play in 2013 or he was going to pull the trigger. Tony chose to come back and get paid a lot of money in the process, so that's on him.

Dumping Tony is a lot to lose for a pick that will net them a practice squad player next year. Sure they could continue to lose a bunch of games with Tony, but the alternative basically tells the fans "we're mailing this shit in, stay home" and essentially seals their fate for 2013.

I want to win now! This year! At all cost!! I don't give a shit if we give a first rounder if we win a SB this year!! Bring Gonzo back!!

Kansas City shouldn't be in the win this year at all costs mode. The omelette they should be making should be a window that's open for several years to come. Gonzales doesn't help much with that.

Its not up to the coach.

10. TE Tony Gonzalez to the Kansas City Chiefs: What's wrong with a little feel-good symmetry? Gonzalez never enjoyed a playoff win during his 12 years in Kansas City, and it now seems safe to say he won't get another one with the spiraling Atlanta Falcons, either. He's not complaining, but why not send him home for a legitimate chance to fulfill his 2013 mission — winning a Super Bowl? Given how well Alex Smith utilized Vernon Davis in San Francisco, Gonzalez seems like he'd be the ideal addition to an offense that needs more weapons than Jamaal Charles.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-make/3286791/

I'm sorry; were you not present for this off season?

In a ideal set up, the Head Coach has a lot of input.

So, youre holding Aces (8-0), surrounded by big stacks, and you shouldnt move your chips in because you might get a better hand later???

In an ideal set-up, we didn't piss away the house to "win now". But now that we're here...

True, but not final say. GM and ultimately owner

All that.

I still don't understand the love Tony got here. He was and always has been about his own stats. He only cares about himself. **** him.

If he comes back and helps us win a SB, great. But if he stays in Atlanta with his 1 playoff win ever then I hope he enjoys that.

Glad all this talk of getting Tony G will be over tomorrow.
It aint gonna happen.




And Santa isnt real BTW