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listopencil 10-31-2013 12:22 PM

Captain Kirk To Command New Navy Destroyer
 
The commander of the U.S. Navy's sleek new guided-missile destroyer, which launched late last week in Maine, has a name to match its space-age look: Captain Kirk.

Captain James Kirk, the prospective commanding officer of USS Zumwalt, will lead the 610-foot vessel, the Navy's largest destroyer and first of three new Zumwalt-class ships "designed for littoral operations and land attack," the Navy said.

Kirk, a native of Bethesda, Md., was commissioned at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1990 and has served in a variety posts as a "surface warfare officer," according to his online bio. "Ashore, Captain Kirk has served as Executive Assistant to the Navy’s Chief of Legislative Affairs and as an Action Officer on the Joint Staff."

Kirk obtained a master's degrees in national security studies at the U.S. Naval War College and U.S. Army War College, where he undoubtedly heard more than his share of "Star Trek" jokes.

The ship, which was moved from dry dock in Bath, Maine, to a pier on the Kennebec River on Friday, is loaded with new technologies, including "radar reflecting angles, a striking inward-sloping tumblehome hull" and advanced gun system.

The lead ship and class are named in honor of former Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Elmo R. "Bud" Zumwalt Jr., who served as chief of naval operations from 1970 to 1974.

According to the Navy, construction on the first Zumwalt is "more than 87 percent complete," with remaining work on the hull scheduled to be completed before delivery in late 2014.

So who will serve as Capt. Kirk's "Spock" on the Zumwalt? According to the Navy, it's Cmdr. Jeffrey W. Hickox, who was named prospective executive officer of the ship.

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Halfcan 10-31-2013 12:23 PM

looks ghey- is that a penis on the front of it-lol

BlackHelicopters 10-31-2013 12:24 PM

Anxiously awaiting first Captains log.

listopencil 10-31-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10143926)
looks ghey- is that a penis on the front of it-lol

I would assume it's sonar but I don't know and the Navy probably won't tell you.

RealSNR 10-31-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10143928)
Anxiously awaiting first Captains log.

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Donger 10-31-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10143926)
looks ghey- is that a penis on the front of it-lol

It's a bulbous bow.

Halfcan 10-31-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10143929)
I would assume it's sonar but I don't know and the Navy probably won't tell you.

don't ask and don't tell-lol :thumb:

durtyrute 10-31-2013 12:37 PM

yay.......more money going to the military that should go to the schools.

murican't

listopencil 10-31-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10143935)
It's a bulbous bow.


Cool and interesting. I was thinking it was the sonar dome but that makes sense.

listopencil 10-31-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 10143947)
yay.......more money going to the military that should go to the schools.

murican't

Obviously we need to put enough money into the schools to teach everyone why we need a military.

Donger 10-31-2013 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 10143947)
yay.......more money going to the military that should go to the schools.

murican't

Naval Academy?

durtyrute 10-31-2013 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10143963)
Naval Academy?

everyone's a chameleon

Frosty 10-31-2013 12:43 PM

I bet his middle name isn't "Tiberius". :harumph:

durtyrute 10-31-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10143961)
Obviously we need to put enough money into the schools to teach everyone why we need a military.

obviously

Hydrae 10-31-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10143935)
It's a bulbous bow.

Bulbous bouffant? :)

Radar Chief 10-31-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 10143993)
Bulbous bouffant? :)

He's British. Be glad he didn't call it a "bonnet".

Frazod 10-31-2013 01:33 PM

That's a badass looking ship. Bigger than it looks, too. 600' long.

HemiEd 10-31-2013 01:50 PM

Admiral Zumwalt was very popular and let us grow mustaches and our hair longer. He relaxed a lot of rules so we didn't stand out so much to the civilians that hated us at the time. Glad to see this class of ships named after him.

seclark 10-31-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144133)
Admiral Zumwalt was very popular and let us grow mustaches and our hair longer. He relaxed a lot rules so we didn't stand out so much to the civilians that hated us at the time. Glad to see this class of ships named after him.

he's dead, jim.
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Frazod 10-31-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144133)
Admiral Zumwalt was very popular and let us grow mustaches and our hair longer. He relaxed a lot rules so we didn't stand out so much to the civilians that hated us at the time. Glad to see this class of ships named after him.

I remember when I was in, all the old farts spoke fondly of him. :)

HemiEd 10-31-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144145)
I remember when I was in, all the old farts spoke fondly of him. :)

:LOL: I bet they were old by the time you got in.

:D He became well known in a hurry with all of the freedoms he gave us. Most sailors couldn't name another Admiral, but EVERYONE knew who Zumwalt was. He allowed us to wear dungarees off base, a severe no-no before he changed it.

Frazod 10-31-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144153)
:LOL: I bet they were old by the time you got in.

:D He became well known in a hurry with all of the freedoms he gave us. Most sailors couldn't name another Admiral, but EVERYONE knew who Zumwalt was. He allowed us to wear dungarees off base, a severe no-no before he changed it.

I was in in the mid-late 80s. Especially when I first got in, most of the chiefs and older officers had been in during the height of Vietnam.

Easy 6 10-31-2013 02:10 PM

You just know Kirk is a steely eyed, womanizing badass.

HemiEd 10-31-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144172)
I was in in the mid-late 80s. Especially when I first got in, most of the chiefs and older officers had been in during the height of Vietnam.

I could have retired with 20 by then boot! :D Well almost(68-73) He was literally the best thing to happen to the Navy, ever, IMO. At that time it was, "Sailors and Dogs Keep off of the grass!"

Frazod 10-31-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144187)
I could have retired with 20 by then boot! :D He was literally the best thing to happen to the Navy, ever, IMO. At that time it was, "Sailors and Dogs Keep off of the grass!"

I could have retired with 20 in 2004, and I deeply regret not doing so now.

Dayze 10-31-2013 02:14 PM

yeah, I'd be 3 years away from retiring if I stayed in. Sometimes I wish I would've, but man.....I was SO ready to get out after 4.

though my sea/shore rotation for my job was 4 at sea, 6 on shore.

HemiEd 10-31-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144194)
I could have retired with 20 in 2004, and I deeply regret not doing so now.

I hear ya Tim, it would sure be nice now!

Yeah, I could have done it in 88 myself, as I had already put in 5. But at the time, it was so unpopular that I wanted nothing more to do with it.

Heck, they were offering almost a years pay as a bonus to re-enlist, instead I got out with a young family and got a job for $3.26 an hour at Beechcraft.

Dayze 10-31-2013 02:17 PM

I think my re-enlistment bonus back in 2000 was $36k.

HemiEd 10-31-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10144213)
I think my re-enlistment bonus back in 2000 was $36k.

Holy crap! :wayne: Of course it was probably about the same to turn that down as it was $8,000 in 73.

Frazod 10-31-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144207)
I hear ya Tim, it would sure be nice now!

Yeah, I could have done it in 88 myself, as I had already put in 5. But at the time, it was so unpopular that I wanted nothing more to do with it.

Heck, they were offering almost a years pay as a bonus to re-enlist, instead I got out with a young family and got a job for $3.26 an hour at Beechcraft.

If I could have gone to a normal ship, I might have considered it - I was six months from going up for E-6 when I got out. But I was due to go back to sea, and for my rating that meant a carrier, and I had no desire whatsoever to be on a ****ing carrier for three years.

seclark 10-31-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144194)
I could have retired with 20 in 2004, and I deeply regret not doing so now.

brother retired from the navy in 2004 after 26 years...been working for dod ever since. doing pretty good.
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listopencil 10-31-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144226)
Holy crap! :wayne: Of course it was probably about the same to turn that down as it was $8,000 in 73.

1973:
http://thecostofliving.com/assets/im...9/home_01a.png
The average house cost $32,500
Equivalent today: $159,980
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The average car cost $3,650
Equivalent today: $17,967
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The average wage was $7,580
Equivalent today: $37,312


2000:
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The average house cost $169,000
Equivalent today: $214,737
http://thecostofliving.com/assets/im...0-2009/car.png
The average car cost $23,000
Equivalent today: $29,225
http://thecostofliving.com/assets/im...-2009/user.png
The average wage was $32,155
Equivalent today: $40,857






http://thecostofliving.com/2011.html

Fire Me Boy! 10-31-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10143921)
The commander of the U.S. Navy's sleek new guided-missile destroyer, which launched late last week in Maine, has a name to match its space-age look: Captain Kirk.

Captain James Kirk, the prospective commanding officer of USS Zumwalt, will lead the 610-foot vessel, the Navy's largest destroyer and first of three new Zumwalt-class ships "designed for littoral operations and land attack," the Navy said.

Kirk, a native of Bethesda, Md., was commissioned at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1990 and has served in a variety posts as a "surface warfare officer," according to his online bio. "Ashore, Captain Kirk has served as Executive Assistant to the Navy’s Chief of Legislative Affairs and as an Action Officer on the Joint Staff."

Kirk obtained a master's degrees in national security studies at the U.S. Naval War College and U.S. Army War College, where he undoubtedly heard more than his share of "Star Trek" jokes.

The ship, which was moved from dry dock in Bath, Maine, to a pier on the Kennebec River on Friday, is loaded with new technologies, including "radar reflecting angles, a striking inward-sloping tumblehome hull" and advanced gun system.

The lead ship and class are named in honor of former Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Elmo R. "Bud" Zumwalt Jr., who served as chief of naval operations from 1970 to 1974.

According to the Navy, construction on the first Zumwalt is "more than 87 percent complete," with remaining work on the hull scheduled to be completed before delivery in late 2014.

So who will serve as Capt. Kirk's "Spock" on the Zumwalt? According to the Navy, it's Cmdr. Jeffrey W. Hickox, who was named prospective executive officer of the ship.

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Why no link to the hard-working authors that bring you news?

listopencil 10-31-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 10144273)
Why no link to the hard-working authors that bring you news?

George Takei put the story on his FB feed and I copy/pasted it from there. I can go dig up the link if you'd like. It was from Yahoo News.

Fire Me Boy! 10-31-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10144297)
George Takei put the story on his FB feed and I copy/pasted it from there. I can go dig up the link if you'd like. It was from Yahoo News.

Meh... just hate when journalists don't get even a chance at receiving some web traffic for the work they do. :shrug:

Easy 6 10-31-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144242)
If I could have gone to a normal ship, I might have considered it - I was six months from going up for E-6 when I got out. But I was due to go back to sea, and for my rating that meant a carrier, and I had no desire whatsoever to be on a ****ing carrier for three years.

I'm interested in why a carrier is suck duty, how is life aboard one different from other ships?

HemiEd 10-31-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10144314)
I'm interested in why a carrier is suck duty, how is life aboard one different from other ships?

;) He was a "blackshoe" and not an "airdale."

Oops, I think he was a Yeoman, so I am not sure.

mikey23545 10-31-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 10143973)
obviously

Obviously we can't have both a Navy and schools that churn out reeruns like yourself.

Frazod 10-31-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144296)
You "Sea Sailors" had it bad and I don't blame you.

I had already made AE-6, and just had to extend a year to sew it on. I was guaranteed 6 more years of teaching Search and Rescue (SAR) school down in Pensacola as they had moved the school down there from Quonset Pt.

It was some great duty, usually played tennis for a couple hours during the day, the rest of the time at the pool or teaching classroom.

I was on a supply ship my first time around. Not bad duty, unless you're in the supply department. Then it's hell on earth. But the good thing about being on a supply ship is when you run out of shit to give everybody else, you have to go back to port to pick up more shit, so half the time were were deployed we were in port somewhere.

And after getting used to that, I had no desire to be assigned to a ship that might deploy for 10 months or longer, could only dock in two or three ports in the med anyway due to its size, and otherwise stand in line with several thousand guys waiting to take liberty boats ashore. **** that. I guess I could have just gotten myself stationed at a base overseas, but I didn't want to live out of the country for that long, either. And I had just had enough, too.

But that pension and free health care forever would be sweet.

Easy 6 10-31-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144323)
;) He was a "blackshoe" and not an "airdale."

Oops, I think he was a Yeoman, so I am not sure.

My Navy lingo is poor, that went over my head.

Having watched most episodes of "Carrier" though, it does look like pretty tough duty on one, they keep those mfers moving steady and are reeeal douchebags about what people wear while on shore leave.

Frazod 10-31-2013 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10144314)
I'm interested in why a carrier is suck duty, how is life aboard one different from other ships?

See post 40.

Frazod 10-31-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144323)
;) He was a "blackshoe" and not an "airdale."

Oops, I think he was a Yeoman, so I am not sure.

I was a Legalman when I got out. Small community, the only sea billets were on carriers.

Easy 6 10-31-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144375)
See post 40.

Got it

Frazod 10-31-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10144387)
Got it

Your sleeping accomodations for those 10 months:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/...e2f2198ce3.jpg

Easy 6 10-31-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144419)
Your sleeping accomodations for those 10 months:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/...e2f2198ce3.jpg

Yeah, those pathetic looking mattresses always stuck out to me when i watched the show.

Looks like something you get in jail.

HemiEd 10-31-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10144368)
My Navy lingo is poor, that went over my head.

Having watched most episodes of "Carrier" though, it does look like pretty tough duty on one, they keep those mfers moving steady and are reeeal douchebags about what people wear while on shore leave.

Heck, things might have changed by now, but I doubt it. There was a friendly rivalry and smack between the two.

A "blackshoe" rate was one that didn't have the little wings on the outside of the insignia that differentiates the specialty, between the Eagle and the stripes on their left arm.
Those rates are ones that are usually pretty fundamental to the operation of a ship, but they will also be assigned to shore duty, in support of those functions.
A Yeoman (office person) is needed everywhere, much like a "corpsman" and many other of those types of rates.
The poor Boatswain's mate, now those guys had it rough. Holy crap, no way could I have stuck that out. They had to spend days on end below decks etc.

An "airdale" like myself, had the little wings on the outside of my rate specialty, right below the eagle and the stripes. I was specially trained in aircraft electrical systems. So any ship assignment, would be related to aircraft, not the ship.

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144377)
I was a Legalman when I got out. Small community, the only sea billets were on carriers.

That is a new one on me Tim, I don't recall ever hearing of that rate. I remember having to check out with the legal officer when I would transfer, but that is about it.

Frazod 10-31-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10144434)
Yeah, those pathetic looking mattresses always stuck out to me when i watched the show.

Looks like something you get in jail.

Jails are probably less crowded. For a brief time my best friend (enlisted in the Air Force) was stationed at Hampton AFB while my ship was inport at Norfolk. I showed him the berthing areas and he was absolutely horrified. In his barracks at the Air Force base he had a room to himself and a bathroom he shared with one other person. You had to be at least a department head (lieutenant commander or above) to get a private stateroom, and the only people who had private heads were the captain and XO.

So basically, as an E-nothing in the Air Force he had better accommodations than all but the top two officers on my ship.

It sucked.

Frazod 10-31-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10144449)
That is a new one on me Tim, I don't recall ever hearing of that rate. I remember having to check out with the legal officer when I would transfer, but that is about it.

They didn't exist when you were in. The rating didn't exist below E-5 (sort of like Master-at-Arms), and you had be an E-4 to apply for the school.

bobbymitch 10-31-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144419)
Your sleeping accomodations for those 10 months:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/...e2f2198ce3.jpg

Lockers?? You had separate lockers? Damn. We were stuck with the under bunk space. And you are right, we loved Zumwalt and his changes. He pretty much put the state-side locker clubs out of business. And after spending 3 days aboard a Kiwi destroyer, I realized that the US Navy was still in the living in the past.

I made E-6 in a little over 4 years and after 6 years had two options: 1) go NESEP and become an officer or got to B-School and make chief, teach A-School or NPS for 2 years and go back to the fleet. I was torn which way to go, until the Bosslady said "Pick what ever one you want, 'cause I'll be in KC. You can visit whenever you want." It seems that I actually had 3 options.

I hated carriers 'cause the prices for everything went up. Whether it was pu$$y or beer. The freakin' locals knew exactly when a big ship was coming in when we couldn't get that info through official channels. It took me little while to figure out how they knew.

listopencil 10-31-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144469)
Jails are probably less crowded. For a brief time my best friend (enlisted in the Air Force) was stationed at Hampton AFB while my ship was inport at Norfolk. I showed him the berthing areas and he was absolutely horrified. In his barracks at the Air Force base he had a room to himself and a bathroom he shared with one other person. You had to be at least a department head (lieutenant commander or above) to get a private stateroom, and the only people who had private heads were the captain and XO.

So basically, as an E-nothing in the Air Force he had better accommodations than all but the top two officers on my ship.

It sucked.


Yeah. That's why I encouraged my nephew to go Air Force.

Frazod 10-31-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10144497)
Yeah. That's why I encouraged my nephew to go Air Force.

Two advantages to being the Navy (at least back then). You make rank faster, and you got to travel all over the world.

Air Force might have nicer accommodations, but if they're in Minot for three and a half years while you don't get advanced, well, I'll take the berthing compartment on the ship over that shit.

When I was in there were Air Force guys who would RETIRE as E-5s.

HemiEd 10-31-2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144469)
Jails are probably less crowded. For a brief time my best friend (enlisted in the Air Force) was stationed at Hampton AFB while my ship was inport at Norfolk. I showed him the berthing areas and he was absolutely horrified. In his barracks at the Air Force base he had a room to himself and a bathroom he shared with one other person. You had to be at least a department head (lieutenant commander or above) to get a private stateroom, and the only people who had private heads were the captain and XO.

So basically, as an E-nothing in the Air Force he had better accommodations than all but the top two officers on my ship.

It sucked.

You just described why I volunteered EARLY for everything that would get me away from that environment. Subs, Aviation, Seals, UDT, every and anything that came up. The one assignment I had on a ship, USS Butte, lasted 6 weeks and we slept on the work benches in the avionics shop. :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144484)
They didn't exist when you were in. The rating didn't exist below E-5 (sort of like Master-at-Arms), and you had be an E-4 to apply for the school.

that explains, thanks.

listopencil 10-31-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 10144507)
Two advantages to being the Navy (at least back then). You make rank faster, and you got to travel all over the world.

Air Force might have nicer accommodations, but if they're in Minot for three and a half years while you don't get advanced, well, I'll take the berthing compartment on the ship over that shit.

When I was in there were Air Force guys who would RETIRE as E-5s.

That sucks. As I recall he's an E-5. He's been in a bit over eight years. He was stationed in Japan at one point, he's in Turkey right now. He seems to enjoy it.

Frazod 10-31-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10144561)
That sucks. As I recall he's an E-5. He's been in a bit over eight years. He was stationed in Japan at one point, he's in Turkey right now. He seems to enjoy it.

Yeah, that's the thing - had I stayed in I would have made E-6 in just over six years. And had I not been a lazy ass when I first got in I could have made E-6 in four years.

007 10-31-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10143931)
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LMAO

Fairplay 10-31-2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10143931)
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I remember watching that episode it was a gas.

whoman69 11-01-2013 08:19 AM

Captain James A. Kirk is a native of Bethesda, MD. Wonder how long it will be before his family settles in Riverside, IA.


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