-- Is RG3 just not that great?
 

I do think a bit of his luster in college is gone with what Baylor has been able to do without him.

That said, he's a really good prospect.

Coaching.

That big hit that bent his leg the wrong way last season, is still having an effect on his abilities. Both mental and physical. JMO

I don't really think you can say coaching, when he's in a system thats pretty much a tailor made one for him.

He is good and can make all the plays to get a ring but Shanny and his kid suck. That whole staff is going to get axe. Give him a better coaches and he will succeed. Not running Morris from the two four straight times for the td was plain stupid.

He's going to be fine as long as shanny doesn't run him too much, i've seen him be a pretty damn good pocket passer out of necessity when he first came back from the injury.

I don't think i've ever seen him throw a duck, its always a nice spiral... he'll be fine.

Dude looked awesome last season under the same coaches. Until the injury anyway.

He seems pretty small and takes a lot of hits. I think his knee if okay, but he is still a bit tentative. When his receivers get bumped at the line he has a hard time adjusting. He still looks pretty good though. Not three 1st rounds good though.

Yesterday they were saying four of his interceptions have been receivers falling down. Not sure what other QBs numbers look like in that stat though.

Injury prone I wouldn't trade for him now.

He looked fine last night. I think hes just slow coming back from injury. He will be fine long term. The team and organization around him kinda sucks though. The Redskins have been mostly "meh" for two decades now.

This.

This as well.

Ever since they got rid of Marty. That year the skins started like 0-5 or close to it and ended 8-8 down the stretch, almost made the playoffs. Then he got fired that same offseason.

Take Elway away from Rat and what does his resume look like?



He is pretty average, and I thank goodness the Chiefs didn't hire him.

I have yet to see a running quarterback that is or was considered great...When one wins the Super Bowl, please let me know - Until then... :D

I am hoping RGIII has a long and healthy career.

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Of all the "running" Qb's, Cam is the most likely to hold up because of his size.

LMAO

God love that boy, he brought us home two...o:-)

I'm cool.

Basically ever since they last won the Super Bowl in 91-92

The Norv Turn era they did nothing.

Built like Roethlisberger, whom has suffered injuries throughout his entire career.


Hope Cam and the Panthers beat the 49ers on Sunday.

He was phenomenal before that knee injury. I don't think his problems started from the injury itself as much as from his complete refusal to let it heal all the way before getting back out on the field.

I think the closest we've had to SB-winning running QB was Fran Tarkenton, but he a) lost, and b) was hardly the gazelle that RGIII is.

Edit: Oh, duh. Elway.

Injury, maybe next year.

Honestly, I do not think the team around him is that good or not playing to their potential.

He would look amazing this year for us.

It is a shame RGIII was selected by the Redskins and under Shanahan and Shanahan Lite’s tutelage now.

Aries, Now that you have mentioned it, I remember reading a long time ago that Fran Tarkenton was supposedly an excellent running quarterback.

Thanks for pointing that out -

I think its a combination of the league adjusting to his style of play as there are more and more quarterbacks that are lethal in the passing, and the running game. Also the fact that im sure hes not 100% physically and mentally recovered from his injury. I think you will see him in a few years as an above average qb with big play ability.

Steve young?
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Last night was a coaching cluster****.

My attention waned because it looked like they had the game sewn up early. Then the O playcalling left RGIII woefully exposed and the D Coord apparently took a nap. Still came down to a Wee Todd Ed 4th down fade call that didn't connect, natch.

Yeah man they have been bad for a while now.

I think its a confidence thing. I'm not sure he has 100% confidence in his knee yet.

He's a second year QB ten months removed from a devastating knee injury. He's doing fine, especially given that his coach is about current as acid-washed jeans

I would trade alex smith for him

He's okay, but I've said many times he won't last 5 years as a starting QB. He's more injury prone than Vick and takes bigger hits than most players in the league QB or not.

Wow, I'm shocked they even finished that good. Wasn't that the 2001 season? I recall the Chiefs demolishing them that year and fans were chanting to fire Marty. Priest Holmes ran for 200+ yards rushing in that game.

His aids has been acting up lately and really giving him fits

This for sure

AIIIDS

Yea, if I remember right, Jeff George started that year, and wasn't a good fit with Marty. Marty turned them around the 2nd half of the season and they finished strong. Unfortunately, Snyder fell in love with Spurrier and let Marty go.
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He beat the greatest 4-4 team of all time last week.

-Running QBs are always overhyped
-Gimmicky offenses dont work long term in the NFL
-You still can't be a great QB unless you are a great passer

I'd give Alex, Charles and Flowers for him right now.

That would be one hell of a make over. Maybe Bowe would earn his contract.

Looks as slow as Bono too. LMAO at the fact none of the defenders could catch him. That defense must suck.

Never loved him I just thought he was a product of hype and being in Andrew Luck's draft. Don't get me wrong he's a hell of a talent and has some amazing accuracy, but he isn't in Andrew Luck's league and time is slowly proving that. Mike Vick and Cunningham before have shown that mobile QBs who don't channel that speed into being a pocket passer end up getting hit, and hit a lot. I can't wait to see us tee off on him in a few weeks, it might not be good but for me he is one of the easiest guys to root against because of all the hype he gets and I thoroughly enjoy rooting against that cornball brother every weekend....:arrow:

Shanahan is cocksucking asshole who wasn't protecting his player when he knew that he was already seriously injured, and that's the reason RG3 isn't himself anymore.

Neither Tarkenton nor Elway were "running" QBs.
They were pocket passers with insane scrambling ability.
I'd swear that Tarkenton would run circles and zig zags avoiding defenders for 20 seconds behind the LOS before making huge passes.

Steve Young couldn't get his 49ers into the SB until he learned the nuance of the pocket passer.

He's way too cavalier with the ball, leading to a lot of dumbass fumbles and some stupid INTs. He also has a knack for taking the big hit.

Other than that he is really good. Definitely a top 5 talent.

As for RGIII, the injury has forced the Redskins to rely on his skills as a pocket passer more than they did last year, and he hasn't yet fully developed into that kind of QB yet.

He came from a system, at Baylor, that is a simple one read system, desigened to get the ball out quick.

It takes time to adapt to the complexities of both NFL offenses and defenses.

The read option made the transition for RGIII (and Colin Kaepernick) easier.

I think it's amazing people are so desperate to say he's not as good and 'what's wrong with RGIII' when it's really really ****ing obvious. I mean it's so damn obvious you'd have to be a ****ing dipshit to be unable to see it.

He's ten months removed from a major knee surgery.

RGIII's accuracy has dropped significantly from last season, especially on those 15-25 yard routes. It's not surprising given the nature of his injury.

I agree with you though, and I was critical of Shanahan not developing his passing skills properly in favor of the 'quick fix' to save his job.

No question that his injury affects his accuracy.

Foot, ankle and knee injuries affect mechanics, leading to accuracy issues.

It is actually pretty impressive how far along RGII has developed, given the simplistic nature of the offense he came from.

He has a way to go, but he has come so far already.

I think his accuracy will get a lot better once the leg is fully healed. There is really no way it can be merely 10 months later.

He is being asked to do more and it is effecting his production. The Redskins were not a good team last year... they were a team that had a QB who has hot as the sun scorching through the 2nd half of the season and carried their asses to the playoffs.

I don't really understand why the decline of the skins OR RGIII in 2013 is really surprising to so many.

He is the McCluster of QB's.

He's a one read guy for the most part. Same as a lot of these young qbs as they get accustomed to the nfl.

Take it away, makes it tough on them.

My roommate is a Washington fan and my perspective of Griffin's problems are:

1. The play calling for that offense is atrocious. They have some great moments and some real boneheaded ones mixed in.

2. Griffin is too competitive. He hurt his other knee a couple of weeks ago against Denver and as soon as the ball was in Skins' possession he hops off the examiner's table to go in before the doctor was finished.

I like a guy that competitive, but it also hinders the team at times (which is why I say too), He tries to force things that aren't there, takes unnecessary risks and struggles as a result.

If he could calm himself down he would be having a much better year IMO.

Play calling is what fans complain about when players dont execute.

A goal line flag fade to a 5'9" receiver? I think that 4th down call was shit in the Skins and Seahawks/Rams games.

People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Because our qb isn't a great qb, we can't discuss why other qbs aren't great.

Makes it even worse that he can't run because of his leg. That's what hid a lot of his problems.

His advertising is annoying as all hell though. Glad he's knocked down a peg because his ego is out of control.

This a 1000x ! He does not have near the 'burst' when he runs and it usually takes 2 full years before you physically and especially psychologically feel comfortable to 'cut loose' again. AP was and always will be an exception to that rule for sure;)

He's a good player. keep in mind Berry had struggles half the year after injury too, so RG3 is in that mode so far. he's also got sophomore blues, for sure, and the previously mentioned injury takes away that great dynamic he has as a player.

RGIII is supposedly having a "sophomore slump," yet is on pace for:

4,355 yards
21 TDs
535 yards rushing

Not bad.

His ego out of control ?? What has he done in his 'pressers' or on the field that say's his ego is out of control ? If it's just his marketing of products, I applaud him, he is just taking advantage of the good ol American capitalistic way of life that both YOU and I would be doing as well. The kid is flat out humble and is a true leader. What are you seeing?

as usual, you left out the most telling stat = 3 - 6

and you also must not know who this guy is. he is not the same guy right now.

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bust.

I called it. for those that tried to rub it in my face while he played ok last year, suck it long and suck it hard you bundle of stickss.

The Redskins have the ****ing 31st ranked defense.

Your head is way up your ass.

RgIII needs an elite defense to win.

Heard it here first

The Redskins had a below average defense last year and RGIII took them to the playoffs.

You done?

Which is obnoxious and contradictory given that a lot of the people who love to rant about Alex like to throw out the "Why can't we be critical even when the team is succeeding?" line.

I actually agree with that, but Clay's statement is dumb.

It's not dumb.

You're holding RGIII to a very high standard.

How about holding Alex to that standard?