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Quesadilla Joe 11-14-2013 07:09 AM

Peyton vs. Perfection (Denver vs KC breakdown) MMQB
 
It's the Game Of The Year so far: the prolific Denver Broncos vs. the stingy Kansas City Chiefs. Can Peyton Manning and company hand K.C. its first loss?

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/14/denver...eyton-manning/


This AFC West showdown between the Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs is as good as it gets for football in November. No division rivals have ever squared off with fewer than two losses between them so late in the season. The Broncos (8-1) are scoring an obscene 41.2 points per game, by far the best in the NFL. The Chiefs (9-0) are giving up just 12.3 points per contest, also a league best. As Jack Nicholson and Diane Keaton once taught us, something’s gotta give.

Broncos offense vs. Chiefs defense

1. Pressuring Peyton

A hot topic right now is Peyton Manning’s protection. It hasn’t been great in recent weeks, which is to be somewhat expected given that anchor Ryan Clady (IR) has been replaced by Chris Clark. The 28-year-old undrafted journeyman has given up a few critical blind-side hits, though he’s not the only culprit on this struggling line. Right tackle Orlando Franklin also has been caught flat-footed a few times. Manning, with precise pocket movement and rapid progression-read ability, is generally able to overcome shoddy protection. But two bum ankles—plus copious bumps and bruises on his 37-year-old-body—make eluding pressure a taller order these days.

The Chiefs know how to apply pressure. Tamba Hali and Justin Houston give defensive coordinator Bob Sutton the rare privilege of scheming with dynamic rushers from both edges. One of the two almost always faces one-on-one pass blocking. Both might see it frequently at the same time on Sunday night, as Manning prefers to go with a minimum five-man protection in order to have five eligible receivers at his disposal. (This is one reason why running back Knowshon Moreno catches so many short passes.)

Kansas City has been one of the most complex and successful blitzing teams in the NFL this season, particularly on 3rd-and-long when Sutton loves to play dime and send speedy corners and safeties after the quarterback. Though a sizeable chunk of Kansas City’s league-leading 36 sacks have come out of complex pressure packages, don’t expect Sutton to use a lot of them against the Broncos. Most defensive coordinators refrain from blitzing Manning. The Chargers had some success with it, but they only called for pressure in the second half after it became apparent that their defensive backs could not compete with Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker and Julius Thomas. Kansas City’s defensive backs can challenge those receivers.

2. The Man-to-Man Matchups

The closest any defense has come to slowing Denver was Indianapolis’s, when cornerbacks Vontae Davis, Greg Toler and Darius Butler stymied Manning’s receivers for most of the first three quarters in Week 7. (Injuries to Davis and Butler changed Indy’s fortunes down the stretch.) The Broncos know how to beat man coverage—they’ve mastered barely legal pick plays and intertwined crossing patterns—but they have yet to face a man-coverage defense as sturdy as the Chiefs’. At the same time, Kansas City hasn’t faced an offense with these types of weapons. The following individual matchups will likely determine the outcome of the game:

Outside: CBs Sean Smith and Marcus Cooper vs. WRs Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker

Smith is lanky and physical, though he’s been a bit shaky as of late. (Receiver Stevie Johnson was right when he said that Smith’s 98-yard pick-six against Buffalo was “lucky.” Smith was in position to make that interception only because Johnson had juked him so far sideways off the line of scrimmage.) When Smith plays with discipline, he’s one of the best boundary defenders in the game. But if he gets antsy against double moves—something Thomas and Decker perform extremely well—he could wind up in trouble.

On the other side, Cooper, a seventh-round pick of the Niners this past spring, is a legitimate Rookie of the Year candidate. He has an innate sense for playing both the ball and the receiver in isolated coverage against vertical routes on the outside. He also has good closing quickness when working back to the ball, especially for someone who is 6-2. For all of Cooper’s merits, don’t be surprised if Manning still tests him early. The young corner did get beat twice due to missteps in his press-jam technique in Kansas City’s last game.

Inside: CB Brandon Flowers vs. slot receiver Wes Welker

Since Week 5, Flowers, one of the NFL’s best boundary corners, has been playing the slot in nickel and dime. So far, the results have been stellar. Flowers is a surprisingly good blitzer, and more importantly, he knows how to apply his physicality in the wider spaces that come with playing inside. Most corners, even elite ones, can’t do that. We’ll find out on Sunday whether Flowers really is a slot aficionado. He’s yet to face an inside receiver of Welker’s caliber.

Inside: SS Eric Berry vs. TE Julius Thomas


Berry has transformed from a liability to an asset covering tight ends—though he hasn’t been severely tested except for when he controlled Jason Witten one-on-one in Week 2. The Broncos have the most dynamic tight end in the AFC not named Rob Gronkowski. And their system does a good job getting Thomas open by design.


3. Building Offense

Contrary to popular belief, the Broncos don’t do many complicated things offensively. Instead, they do many simple things really well. One is called “building offense,” meaning they use certain plays early in the game to set up other plays later in the game. Defenders think they’re spotting something familiar, but they’re actually being set up to be exploited. The good thing about being a man-based defense (like the Chiefs) is you’re a less susceptible to this sort of deception because coverage defenders don’t see the ball or route designs to begin with; their focus is solely on their man.

This doesn’t mean the Broncos won’t try to build offense. Instead of doing it with a combination of two or three different routes, they’ll do it on a more individualized basis. We saw a great example of this with Demaryius Thomas scoring two touchdowns at San Diego.


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Kansas City’s cornerbacks must concentrate on getting stops, not interceptions. If they start cheating against Denver’s routes, they’ll get burned by a twist.


Chiefs offense vs. Broncos defense

There’s a perception that Denver’s defense is iffy, maybe even porous. That’s only because its two bad performances happened to coincide with the team’s two most-watched games: Week 5 at Dallas, and Week 7 at Indy. Take out those contests and this group is allowing a respectable 21.6 points per game.

The Chiefs lack the same offensive firepower that the Cowboys or Colts have. Their system hinges on Jamaal Charles being able to turn the outside corner in the ground game, and converting a few screens into first downs. Their passing game is limited, mainly because Alex Smith is committed to doing whatever it takes to not lose games. So far he’s been successful in this regard, but in order for the undefeated Chiefs to be genuine Super Bowl contenders, he at some point will have to actually make plays to win a game. This doesn’t mean making a gutsy play late in the fourth quarter; it means having the fortitude to consistently take advantage of big-play opportunities.

Smith is nowhere close to doing that right now. The TV camera angles that get beamed into living rooms across the country might show Smith not throwing interceptions. What those camera angles don’t show, however, is him missing wide-open receivers at the intermediate levels. They also don’t show him abandoning plays before receivers have finished their routes. We can see this, though, thanks to the All-22 film.

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As this game probably will prove, Kansas City’s defense can’t keep holding opponents to under 20 points while also creating points of its own each week. Kansas City’s offense (i.e. Smith) will have to get sharper.

BlackHelicopters 11-14-2013 07:13 AM

Very informative. Would read again.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 07:19 AM

This makes Smith look like a scaredy cat. We will not win in Denver unless he pulls the trigger on longer throws. He must know this and coaches know it for sure. If they watch film all the time then why the hell is it not getting better? He must have zero confidence in his ability to get the ball there on target.

Deberg_1990 11-14-2013 07:24 AM

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007 11-14-2013 07:26 AM

ok

ReynardMuldrake 11-14-2013 07:27 AM

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2. The Man-to-Man Matchups

The closest any defense has come to slowing Denver was Indianapolis’s, when cornerbacks Vontae Davis, Greg Toler and Darius Butler stymied Manning’s receivers for most of the first three quarters in Week 7. (Injuries to Davis and Butler changed Indy’s fortunes down the stretch.) The Broncos know how to beat man coverage—they’ve mastered barely legal pick plays and intertwined crossing patterns—but they have yet to face a man-coverage defense as sturdy as the Chiefs’. At the same time, Kansas City hasn’t faced an offense with these types of weapons. The following individual matchups will likely determine the outcome of the game:
People are starting to notice how the Donks like to push the rules.

007 11-14-2013 07:29 AM

A pick play is a pick play. So what exactly is a barely legal pick play?

TOUCHDOWN!!! KC 11-14-2013 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10186156)
Very informative. Would read again.

+1

TOUCHDOWN!!! KC 11-14-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10186178)
A pick play is a pick play. So what exactly is a barely legal pick play?

It's BrokeNeck and the Donk's so there for the Zebra's have to hold their flag.

JoeyChuckles 11-14-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10186178)
A pick play is a pick play. So what exactly is a barely legal pick play?

An 18 year old one.

Molitoth 11-14-2013 08:25 AM

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Chiefs offense vs. Broncos defense
Article nailed it. Alex Smith needs to step it up.

mr. tegu 11-14-2013 08:31 AM

I really hope that they have spent this week looking at the film and showing Alex the receivers running wide open. I know on some plays the pocket collapses too fast but in all those screen shots he has a nice pocket to throw from. We have seen some longer passes lately so hopefully that trend continues, especially when the oppurtunity is there for a throw that isn't forced.

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 08:45 AM

Those shots of Alex missing open receivers downfield make me want to puke.

But.. But.. But our receivers don't get separation! Give me a ****ing break.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186244)
Those shots of Alex missing open receivers downfield make me want to puke.

But.. But.. But our receivers don't get separation! Give me a ****ing break.

I agree. I don't wanna hear anymore about this shit. He better start firing that ball toward wr's in the end zone or our nice season will be wasted.

Strongside 11-14-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186244)
Those shots of Alex missing open receivers downfield make me want to puke.

But.. But.. But our receivers don't get separation! Give me a ****ing break.

Anyone that watches the games in person has seen this all year. The no separation argument is total bullshit.

Look, I like what Alex has brought to the team...especially after where we were last year. But at the same time, the guy has got to take some shots. I think he'll do that this week because he knows he has to, but they have been there all season. In the Texans game, I lost count of how many times Bowe, Avery, McCluster, and even Jenkins were literally UNCOVERED over the top.

FRCDFED 11-14-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10186262)
I agree. I don't wanna hear anymore about this shit. He better start firing that ball toward wr's in the end zone or our nice season will be wasted.

In those bits of film not only do the WR have separation but are WIDE open. Those arent even risky passes. IMO those are blown reads or Smith's own lack of confidence in his abilities. Those are 10 yard windows to place the ball.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 09:11 AM

Yes, Alex... open it up on Sunday. You are the QB, you throw the ball. Make it happen.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10186277)
Yes, Alex... open it up on Sunday. You are the QB, you throw the ball. Make it happen.

Go away douche bag. Here is the problem you have. Manning is gimpy now and the season is far from over. If not this game then in another game he will get taken out and miss time. That will ruin your SB dreams as your team is completely dependent on him. At least ours is not so dependent on one side of the ball. We can still win with our defense and ground game. Manning will turn out to be a 40 million dollar waste of money. Getting there is not enough. Only champs matter in pro sports. If your not first then your last.

loochy 11-14-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10186305)
Only champs matter in pro sports. If your you're not first then your you're last.

You do know that this argument makes us look worse than the broncos, right?

Also, I FYP. Check out this link: http://www.grammar-monster.com/easil...youre_your.htm

RealSNR 11-14-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10186277)
Yes, Alex... open it up on Sunday. You are the QB, you throw the ball. Make it happen.

Manning's gonna throw his share of picks, too, bud. You also might want to keep the ball out of Montee Ball's hands. We'll force some fumbles if he gets it.

Molitoth 11-14-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 10186270)
Anyone that watches the games in person has seen this all year. The no separation argument is total bullshit.

Look, I like what Alex has brought to the team...especially after where we were last year. But at the same time, the guy has got to take some shots. I think he'll do that this week because he knows he has to, but they have been there all season. In the Texans game, I lost count of how many times Bowe, Avery, McCluster, and even Jenkins were literally UNCOVERED over the top.

:thumb:

I agree, nice post.

Dartgod 11-14-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10186305)
Go away douche bag. Here is the problem you have. Manning is gimpy now and the season is far from over. If not this game then in another game he will get taken out and miss time. That will ruin your SB dreams as your team is completely dependent on him. At least ours is not so dependent on one side of the ball. We can still win with our defense and ground game. Manning will turn out to be a 40 million dollar waste of money. Getting there is not enough. Only champs matter in pro sports. If your not first then your last.

So far this season, our success has been clearly dependent on our defense.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10186346)
Manning's gonna throw his share of picks, too, bud. You also might want to keep the ball out of Montee Ball's hands. We'll force some fumbles if he gets it.

Honestly, I don't trust any of our RBs - they all like to fumble. Moreno found his way to the doghouse because of fumbles. I've feared all year that they would begin to trust him more and more, and they are... So far, he hasn't screwed up and I have stated over and over again that he won't until it matters most.

That concerns me about this game. I'm fine with none of our RBs getting more than a dozen touches in a game. I'd like to see more from CJ Anderson quite honestly. Hillman better be non-existant, that guy really has butterfingers.


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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 10186360)
So far this season, our success has been clearly dependent on our defense.

Shhh, much like Blutarski in Animal House ... let him go, he's on a roll.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10186168)
This makes Smith look like a scaredy cat. We will not win in Denver unless he pulls the trigger on longer throws. He must know this and coaches know it for sure. If they watch film all the time then why the hell is it not getting better? He must have zero confidence in his ability to get the ball there on target.

There's no question he's watching the rush.

That's why he's skittish, that's why he's abandoning routes. His eyes are on the wrong level - watching the line of scrimmage and working backwards from there.

His fortitude in the pocket right now worries the hell out of me. It's not that I think he's too scared to throw it 15 yards downfield, I think the line is in his head and he's not willing to stand in and wait for those throws to develop. He's essentially looking for the first opportunity to get that ball the hell out of his hands or scramble where he can at least see the guys that are trying to hit him.

Ultimately the shell-shock he seems to have developed over the first 6-8 weeks will be his undoing. He needs to quit that shit, stand in there and make the play.

duncan_idaho 11-14-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186386)
There's no question he's watching the rush.

That's why he's skittish, that's why he's abandoning routes. His eyes are on the wrong level - watching the line of scrimmage and working backwards from there.

His fortitude in the pocket right now worries the hell out of me. It's not that I think he's too scared to throw it 15 yards downfield, I think the line is in his head and he's not willing to stand in and wait for those throws to develop. He's essentially looking for the first opportunity to get that ball the hell out of his hands or scramble where he can at least see the guys that are trying to hit him.

Ultimately the shell-shock he seems to have developed over the first 6-8 weeks will be his undoing. He needs to quit that shit, stand in there and make the play.

Only problem with this... is that the same critiques have been tied to Alex Smith over the past couple of years.

I imagine the poor line play is in his head a bit... but this is also who he is.

Halfcan 11-14-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10186178)
A pick play is a pick play. So what exactly is a barely legal pick play?

A complete illegal play the chiefs will see again and again-because the NFL wants manning to win- he brings a lot of cash into the business.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10186395)
Only problem with this... is that the same critiques have been tied to Alex Smith over the past couple of years.

I imagine the poor line play is in his head a bit... but this is also who he is.

Oh there's some truth to that as well.

But the old saw used to be "look at how many sacks he takes, he holds onto the ball way too long!!!"

I don't see that at all. I see a guy that's constantly looking to get rid of the ball or get the hell out of the pocket. He's still always going to be someone that would prefer throw the short passes to the long ones, but he's not naturally gunshy; he used to be pretty confident back there in holding onto the football. When he's confident in the pocket, I think he'll make the easy passes downfield. Right now, he's scared back there so he's not even looking at the easy ones downfield; he bails way too soon on the routes and next thing you know he's on the run or has foolishly rolled out of the pocket to cut down half his field.

He used to be risk-averse; if the deep throw wasn't wide open, he's not going to make it. What I'm seeing now is someone that doesn't even get to risk averse, he's just playing scared. That was absolutely not a knock against him in SF.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 10186360)
So far this season, our success has been clearly dependent on our defense.

Our defense is bad ass and I said one man. We are not solely dependent on Smith the way they are on Manning is my point. We are not completely dependent on a passing game. JC, st and defense is how we have won so far. If we lost Smith for a few games we could still wini. If they lost Manning they would not.

loochy 11-14-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10186462)
Our defense is bad ass and I said one man. We are not solely dependent on Smith the way they are on Manning is my point. We are not completely dependent on a passing game. JC, st and defense is how we have won so far. If we lost Smith for a few games we could still wini. If they lost Manning they would not.

if we lost charles we would not

Molitoth 11-14-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 10186466)
if we lost charles we would not

Depends. Maybe Alex would be forced to utilize his other weapons and stop relying on the RB checkdown so often.

The Franchise 11-14-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186458)
Oh there's some truth to that as well.

But the old saw used to be "look at how many sacks he takes, he holds onto the ball way too long!!!"

I don't see that at all. I see a guy that's constantly looking to get rid of the ball or get the hell out of the pocket. He's still always going to be someone that would prefer throw the short passes to the long ones, but he's not naturally gunshy; he used to be pretty confident back there in holding onto the football. When he's confident in the pocket, I think he'll make the easy passes downfield. Right now, he's scared back there so he's not even looking at the easy ones downfield; he bails way too soon on the routes and next thing you know he's on the run or has foolishly rolled out of the pocket to cut down half his field.

He used to be risk-averse; if the deep throw wasn't wide open, he's not going to make it. What I'm seeing now is someone that doesn't even get to risk averse, he's just playing scared. That was absolutely not a knock against him in SF.

Charles needs to get going early in this game. A productive Charles equals a productive play action passing game.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 10:52 AM

And that's why getting new receivers or better linemen isn't going to help Alex improve.

He's not even taking full advantage of the ones we already have.

loochy 11-14-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10186472)
Maybe Alex would be forced to utilize his other weapons and stop relying on the RB checkdown so often.

so, you agree with the below statement.

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 10186466)
if we lost charles we would not


Quesadilla Joe 11-14-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10186346)
Manning's gonna throw his share of picks, too, bud. You also might want to keep the ball out of Montee Ball's hands. We'll force some fumbles if he gets it.

The coaching staff corrected Balls fumbling issues, apparently Studesville (our RB coach) noticed that Montee wasn't tucking the ball away immediately after receiving the handoff, that's why most of Ball's fumbles came shortly after receiving the handoff. Montee hasn't fumbled since that flaw was corrected.

loochy 11-14-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Dumbass (Post 10186495)
The coaching staff corrected Balls fumbling issues, apparently Studesville (our RB coach) noticed that Montee wasn't tucking the ball away immediately after receiving the handoff, that's why most of Ball's fumbles came shortly after receiving the handoff. Montee hasn't fumbled since that flaw was corrected.

oh yeah? well reid fixed alex smith's passing issues thsi week. they noticed he was being a big wuss and that's why he never throws the damn ball. alex will throw 50 touchdowns now that he's been corrected.

duncan_idaho 11-14-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186458)
Oh there's some truth to that as well.

But the old saw used to be "look at how many sacks he takes, he holds onto the ball way too long!!!"

I don't see that at all. I see a guy that's constantly looking to get rid of the ball or get the hell out of the pocket. He's still always going to be someone that would prefer throw the short passes to the long ones, but he's not naturally gunshy; he used to be pretty confident back there in holding onto the football. When he's confident in the pocket, I think he'll make the easy passes downfield. Right now, he's scared back there so he's not even looking at the easy ones downfield; he bails way too soon on the routes and next thing you know he's on the run or has foolishly rolled out of the pocket to cut down half his field.

He used to be risk-averse; if the deep throw wasn't wide open, he's not going to make it. What I'm seeing now is someone that doesn't even get to risk averse, he's just playing scared. That was absolutely not a knock against him in SF.

Re: Your bolded statements...

These speak to my concerns with Alex Smith from Day 1. And I don't share your belief that a cleaner pocket will allow him the impetus to make those throws and make those plays.... because he's NEVER had that.

Alex Smith has a long track record as an NFL QB of not being willing to throw into "NFL OPEN" windows. Of checking down too early/easily, when there are bigger plays to be made downfield. All-22 film breakdown backs that up.

I don't think fixing the Chiefs OL is going to do anything to reverse those tendencies. It's just who he is.

Andy Reid seems to think he can reverse them. I hope he can, but that's all it is... hope.

Molitoth 11-14-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186479)
And that's why getting new receivers or better linemen isn't going to help Alex improve.

He's not even taking full advantage of the ones we already have.

I agree on the Receivers part... they are running open, but the line could improve drastically. Like DJLN mentioned; Alex is playing scared... and if he had some extra time and more faith in the line, maybe just maybe he could get out of this scared-y-cat bullshit QB'ing enough to throw downfield.

and DUncan brings up another good point... that's just who Alex is.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 11:04 AM

Of those photos, the first one doesn't really bother me - if he starts passing on open 12-15 yard passes to Dwyane Bowe on the chance that Dexter McCluster is breaking open deeper, we're ****ed. Bowe was his first read there, IMO and Bowe was open - so he hit him.

The 2nd photo bothers me more than any of the other ones. There is no justification at all for him bailing out of that pocket. His linemen did a fantastic job and he had Bowe past the sticks for a first down (I don't love that throw to Avery; the corner in the short zone is reading the QB, he'd have likely been waiting to break on that throw using the boundry to leverage coverage; that was a tough pass).

On the third photo that isn't as easy a pass as is being portrayed there, but it's one you'd like to see him try. The FS is waiting to close on that throw. Though ultimately I have to wonder what his progressions were - afterall, it looks like Bowe is just starting his route upfield before the throw went to Charles. Smith abandoned the route altogether. Was that based on a pre-snap read? I almost wonder if Philly didn't fake a blitz there and fool Smith into dumping to his hot read.

The 4th one also irritates me and I remember that one in real-time. It was the same damn throw to McCluster or Bowe, he just had to put another 8 yards of oomph on the throw to Bowe and he chickened out. It was yet another 1st down left on the field through skittish QB play. He's feeling phantom pressure up the middle on that play and rather than stand in and deliver the first down pass to Bowe, he's already looking to bail out of the pocket.

The 2nd picture is the most annoying one to me but the 4th picture most clearly demonstrates my concern - in SF he stands in and completes that pass for the first down. That's the kind of intermediate throw he needs to make for us to be successful. As this season has progressed, however, he's gotten worse and worse about feeling pressure that isn't there and bailing. He's been a drive killer on several occasions because of it.

Quesadilla Joe 11-14-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 10186501)
oh yeah? well reid fixed alex smith's passing issues thsi week. they noticed he was being a big wuss and that's why he never throws the damn ball. alex will throw 50 touchdowns now that he's been corrected.

What I'm saying is true though LMAO

It's why Montee still gets playing time and Ronnie Hillman doesn't dress anymore.

Marcellus 11-14-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186479)
And that's why getting new receivers or better linemen isn't going to help Alex improve.

He's not even taking full advantage of the ones we already have.

We have played 9 games and he gives 4 examples, 2 from the Eagles game and 1 each from other games. This is in 315 pass attempts (not including plays he didnt pass he scrambled so its actually more passing plays).

Should we see all the examples of WR not being able to get any separation? I see that a lot when watching the games.

I am curious as to what will happen if we get behind and have to move the ball fast. I don't know if that changes his mindset or not. His highest situational QBR is when we have been behind.

Further more I watch other games and you see most QB's miss opportunities every game. Yea Manning, Brees, and the upper tier guys don't do it much but nobody ever claimed Smith is that level.

He needs to improve but its not like he needs to make a huge leap, he just needs to make a few more plays a game.

hometeam 11-14-2013 11:06 AM

If ESPN says we suck, may as well just forfeit.

oh well

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10186512)
He needs to improve but its not like he needs to make a huge leap, he just needs to make a few more plays a game.

We have just about the worst passing game in the league.

Being 33rd in yards per completion (only MIKE GLENNON is worse) is abysmal. That INCLUDES YAC, son.

What the hell are you on?

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10186512)
We have played 9 games and he gives 4 examples, 2 from the Eagles game and 1 each from other games. This is in 315 pass attempts (not including plays he didnt pass he scrambled so its actually more passing plays).

Should we see all the examples of WR not being able to get any separation? I see that a lot when watching the games.

I am curious as to what will happen if we get behind and have to move the ball fast. I don't know if that changes his mindset or not. His highest situational QBR is when we have been behind.

Further more I watch other games and you see most QB's miss opportunities every game. Yea Manning, Brees, and the upper tier guys don't do it much but nobody ever claimed Smith is that level.

He needs to improve but its not like he needs to make a huge leap, he just needs to make a few more plays a game.

Yeah, the idea that this disproves the notion that WRs aren't getting any separation is silly. The WRs are often struggling to get much separation out there.

However, this also raises serious concerns as to whether or not it would make a damn bit of difference. Smith's leaving a ton of plays on the field right now. His generally conservative nature leads to many of those to begin with but now he's playing skittish football as well and it's becoming a serious problem.

I like the guy. I like the acquisition. But there are a lot of things to be concerned about with him right now and he needs to fix them if we hope to make some noise in the playoffs.

Molitoth 11-14-2013 11:16 AM

This same debate happened over Matt Cassel not too long ago.

Some people are fine with a "nice guy" as the Chiefs QB, and some people want "more".

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Dumbass (Post 10186495)
The coaching staff corrected Balls fumbling issues, apparently Studesville (our RB coach) noticed that Montee wasn't tucking the ball away immediately after receiving the handoff, that's why most of Ball's fumbles came shortly after receiving the handoff. Montee hasn't fumbled since that flaw was corrected.

Jinx comment... :cuss:

Ball has had all of 21 carries since week 5, including 0 vs the Colts - a game where points and turnovers really mattered. I would hope that he isn't dropping the ball when he's carried it 1, 3, 0, 12 and 5 times over the last 5 games.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 11:26 AM

Here's the last 15 Super Bowl Champions and where they ranked in yards per completion:

Flacco #11
Eli #3
Rodgers #4
Brees #9
Roethlisberger #11
Eli #18
Peyton #8
Roethlisberger #1
Brady #5
Brady #17
Johnson #20
Brady #23
Dilfer #24
Warner #3
Elway #4

Alex has to make a quantum leap next year (it's not happening this year). Period. Especially given the trend over the last 10 years. He needs to at least get to an average YPC.

Throw the ball down the field. It wins games.

Quesadilla Joe 11-14-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10186550)
Jinx comment... :cuss:

Ball has had all of 21 carries since week 5, including 0 vs the Colts - a game where points and turnovers really mattered. I would hope that he isn't dropping the ball when he's carried it 1, 3, 0, 12 and 5 times over the last 5 games.

He didn't have fumbling issues in college. He just wasn't used to securing the ball early in his carry, at Wisconsin he could make it 5 yards before he was touched once.

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Dumbass (Post 10186579)
He didn't have fumbling issues in college. He just wasn't used to securing the ball early in his carry, at Wisconsin he could make it 5 yards before he was touched once.

Whatever. Dude sucks anyway. He's averaging like 3 YPC.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 11:34 AM

Moreno ... since the Dallas game is averaging 15 carries and almost 6 receptions a game - with 6 total TDs in that stretch. It pains me to say it, but he has played well. I still don't trust him though.

Moreno has about 257 fewer yards on 57 less touches with 1 more TD than Charles on the season, and considering Moreno's history, that's a pleasant surprise.

123 carries / 521 yds / 8 TD (55% of total team rushing yds)
37 rec / 336 yards / 1 TD (10% of total team receiving yds)

170 carries / 725 yards / 6 TD (68% of total team rushing yds)
47 rec / 389 yards / 2 TD (20% of total team receiving yds)

Both are avg about 4.2 per rush and Moreno has about a yard more per reception. Lots of ways to poke at the numbers, but Denver's #1 priority on defense is to focus in on and contain Charles. It's not easy by any means, but it can be done.

Charles has 3 games where he's rushed for over 90 yards (only 1 over 100). And, as a receiver, he has 3 games over 50 yds receiving.

In 8 games, Charles has combined for over 100 total yards - he's the offense, bottom line... stop him and you can defeat the Chiefs in a boring low scoring game.

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186593)
Whatever. Dude sucks anyway. He's averaging like 3 YPC.

Still way too early to throw the towel in on Ball imo. He's a rookie and will continue to learn and adjust to the speed of NFL defenses. Granted he hasn't had a substantial amount of carries to say he has made the necessary corrections but only time will tell. How many Chief fans would have thought that Poe would be the beast he has been this year, based off last year's performance?

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Dumbass (Post 10186579)
He didn't have fumbling issues in college. He just wasn't used to securing the ball early in his carry, at Wisconsin he could make it 5 yards before he was touched once.

Who cares about college? Totally different ballgame and the NFL sidelines are littered with guys that were once phenoms but now can't compete at a starting level.

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10186603)
Moreno has about 257 fewer yards on 57 less touches with 1 more TD than Charles on the season, and considering Moreno's history, that's a pleasant surprise.

Not to mention, Charles is KC's main offensive weapon...

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10186630)
Who cares about college? Totally different ballgame and the NFL sidelines are littered with guys that were once phenoms but now can't compete at a starting level.

Agreed. Like Ball but really, really wish Denver would have selected Lacy.:banghead:

RealSNR 11-14-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Dumbass (Post 10186579)
He didn't have fumbling issues in college. He just wasn't used to securing the ball early in his carry, at Wisconsin he could make it 5 yards before he was touched once.

I'm sure you watched a TON of Badger football, right? :rolleyes:

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MileHighFish (Post 10186624)
Still way too early to throw the towel in on Ball imo. He's a rookie and will continue to learn and adjust to the speed of NFL defenses. Granted he hasn't had a substantial amount of carries to say he has made the necessary corrections but only time will tell. How many Chief fans would have thought that Poe would be the beast he has been this year, based off last year's performance?

I'm not saying he'll always sucks; I'm just saying he's not scaring anybody but you guys right now.

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Originally Posted by MileHighFish (Post 10186633)
Not to mention, Charles is KC's main offensive weapon...

.. Which makes it a lot easier to key on him. Moreno is about the 6th worry a team is going to have when facing the Broncos. He has more TDs because he plays on a much, much, much, much more prolific offense and that's the only reason.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10186653)
I'm sure you watched a TON of Badger football, right? :rolleyes:

:D Likely just a quick stat search.

Hell, if we were going by college production - both Hillman and Ball should be an unbelievable duo based on their last few college seasons, hell 2011 was awesome for both. But, it's not college.

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 11:54 AM

Not only have Hillman and Ball has ball security issues, they can't be trusted in pass protection and aren't as good of hands out of the backfield. For as suck ass as Moreno is, he's elevated his play a bit this season. He still sucks but at least he's complete.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186577)
Here's the last 15 Super Bowl Champions and where they ranked in yards per completion:

Flacco #11
Eli #3
Rodgers #4
Brees #9
Roethlisberger #11
Eli #18
Peyton #8
Roethlisberger #1
Brady #5
Brady #17
Johnson #20
Brady #23
Dilfer #24
Warner #3
Elway #4

Alex has to make a quantum leap next year (it's not happening this year). Period. Especially given the trend over the last 10 years. He needs to at least get to an average YPC.

Throw the ball down the field. It wins games.

So over the last 15 years the average YPC for SB winners ranked 11th and you believe that is the dispositive figure? That's the one that determines championships?

Let's look at the same list by YPA rather than YPC:

Elway - #5
Warner - #1
Dilfer - #26
Brady - #12
Johnson - #5
Brady - #8
Brady - #9
Ben - #1
Peyton - #4
Eli - #26
Ben - #17
Brees - #3
Rodgers - #2
Eli - #4
Flacco - #14

The average rank for SB winners by Yards per attempt? 9th.

So if anything, being ranked highly by YPA is even more important in determining who a SB winner is.

No, "THROW IT DEEP!!!!!" is not 'what wins games'. There are a myriad of ways to win games in this league and efficient passing that yields a high YPA is equally effective.

The problem isn't that Smith's not bombing away. The problem is he's not making the 10-12 yard throws that will keep drives alive and allow Reid to run the offense he wants to run.

Smith's nature fits Reid's plan fairly well. However, this bailing out of the pocket bullshit he's doing does not.

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 11:56 AM

Aren't Smith's YPC and YPA both abysmal?

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 11:57 AM

Alex is equally pathetic in YPA so I'm not sure what your point is.

We need a more productive passing game, by a large margin.

And I am not talking about deep balls. Alex needs to hit those 15-25-yard throws consistently for us to have a chance.

Quesadilla Joe 11-14-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10186653)
I'm sure you watched a TON of Badger football, right? :rolleyes:

No. I got that information from an article where Studesville said basically what I just posted.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186682)
Alex is equally pathetic in YPA so I'm not sure what your point is.

We need a more productive passing game, by a large margin.

And I am not talking about deep balls. Alex needs to hit those 15-25-yard throws consistently for us to have a chance.

This season, yes he has been.

But your earlier position was that there's no point in improving the line or the WRs because he won't use them.

Well he was elite in YPA with a line full of All-Pro guys in 2012. And he was average in YPA in 2011. Yes, Alex Smith is greatly improved when he's not worrying about his protection. The actual eye test shows that, as did all those nifty little PFF metrics you ignore whenever they don't support your crap.

Yes, this season's Alex Smith is struggling mightily, but it's due in large part to a line that simply can't protect, especially up the middle. That's catastrophic to a QB confidence and impacts everything he tries to do.

And if you're now defining 'throwing the ball downfield' as 15 yard passes, well that's a hell of an about-face.

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Dumbass (Post 10186692)
No. I got that information from an article where Studesville said basically what I just posted.

So once again you're not forming your own opinion and spamming the board with shit you read elsewhere? Good to know.

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186658)
I'm not saying he'll always sucks; I'm just saying he's not scaring anybody but you guys right now.

.. Which makes it a lot easier to key on him. Moreno is about the 6th worry a team is going to have when facing the Broncos. He has more TDs because he plays on a much, much, much, much more prolific offense and that's the only reason.

Agree with both points. The funny thing is, I always use to worry about Moreno fumbling but now he is "the reliable back".... That honestly scares me the most. He has been very good securing the ball so far this season but who knows how long that will continue. :hmmm:

MahiMike 11-14-2013 12:06 PM

Where Denver uses 'per game' offense building, Andy Reid has been using 'per season' offense building.

He's shown the world that Alex is nothing but a check down manager.

But this week will be different!

This week Andy takes the reins off of his Superman QB, Alex takes off his glasses...


And unleashes his POWER onto the helpless victims once known as the Denver Broncos!!!


Hells Yeah!

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MileHighFish (Post 10186701)
Agree with both points. The funny thing is, I always use to worry about Moreno fumbling but now he is "the reliable back".... That honestly scares me the most. He has been very good securing the ball so far this season but who knows how long that will continue. :hmmm:

I'm cool with it lasting until about 8:31 EST the 17th.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186694)
Well he was elite in YPA with a line full of All-Pro guys in 2012. And he was average in YPA in 2011..

I believe that was a deceptive statistic, because last year he threw the ball down the field less than almost every other starting QB.

And it was reflected in his again pathetic yards per completion.

And that was partially intermediate throws, too, because he did that less than 2010 Matt ****ing Cassel.

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 12:12 PM

From what I have seen thus far this season of KC's offense (admittedly limited), there have been instances where receivers get open but Smith doesn't seem to see them. Is this solely because of pressure (or anticipated pressure) or is Smith just not identifying them?

If Smith gets even a decent passing game going, look out... I just don't believe KC can continue to lean so heavily on the defense and special teams and continue to succeed at such a high level the remainder of the season... Don't get me wrong, I also feel Denver need to step it up significantly defensively if they expect to do anything at all in the post season.

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186708)
I'm cool with it lasting until about 8:31 EST the 17th.

:D While I was typing that about Moreno, I debated if I should post it or if it might jinx him... ;)

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186673)
Not only have Hillman and Ball has ball security issues, they can't be trusted in pass protection and aren't as good of hands out of the backfield. For as suck ass as Moreno is, he's elevated his play a bit this season. He still sucks but at least he's complete.

Agreed.

Anyong Bluth 11-14-2013 12:16 PM

Just figured I'd post this here instead of making a whole new thread for another article about the game.

Probably one of the more heady writers that seem convinced about the Chiefs, and boldly putting it out there that he thinks it will be the Donkeys that will have to sweat it out facing us given our personnel matchups for Sunday's game.

Enjoy!

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Kansas City Chiefs primed for statement vs. Denver Broncos

Adam Schein
NFL Media columnist


In a season when the NFL's prime-time games have been quite lackluster, it's not too early to start the rightful hype and awesome anticipation for this week's "Sunday Night Football" matchup between the undefeated Kansas City Chiefs and one-loss Denver Broncos.

In Denver's first game without head coach John Fox, whose recovery timeline remains uncertain, Peyton Manning provided yet another dynamite effort, overwhelming the San Diego Chargers on Sunday. Now the showdown with K.C. for first place in the AFC West is just six days away.

Truth be told, this weekend's clash at Mile High absolutely is a must-win game for the Broncos. While I'm a believer in the Chiefs, the outside perception is that they have a Cinderella feel to them -- everyone's waiting for the magic to wear off. They will head to Denver with a focused attitude, but they aren't expected to win. And despite the venue -- despite Denver owning an amazing and pronounced home-field advantage, especially in prime time -- I'm not convinced the Broncos will be able to hold off the Chiefs.

You read that correctly.

A few things are at play here.

Manning clearly isn't 100 percent physically. He was knocked around a bunch by San Diego, most notably taking a low hit late in the fourth quarter from Chargers defensive end Corey Liuget that aggravated a prior right ankle injury. Manning said after the game that he was in pain and pretty sore. Sure looked like it. And for him to admit that to reporters is pretty telling. Fortunately for Denver, an MRI on Monday showed no new damage to the ankle, so Manning is good to go against K.C. Still, this furthers a disconcerting trend.

Manning has been bruised and battered over the past month by the Jaguars, Colts and Chargers. While the Broncos still won two of those three games, the one defeat -- at Indianapolis -- can be directly attributed to pressure applied on Manning. The Colts brought heat all throughout that Week 7 game, sacking Manning four times and hitting him plenty more. One play that particularly stood out was Robert Mathis' jarring, safety-causing lick; Manning clearly was impacted, as he threw ducks for the remainder of the game. This underlines an inconvenient truth about the Broncos juggernaut: The offensive line is vulnerable, especially so since Ryan Clady went down with a season-ending foot injury.

Now Manning must deal with the Chiefs, who not only boast the NFL's best pass rush but have the players to frustrate and dominate without blitzing.The Chiefs have racked up a league-high 36 sacks, with outside linebackers Justin Houston (11 sacks) and Tamba Hali (nine) leading the charge.

When I talked to Hali a few weeks ago on my SiriusXM Radio show, "Schein on Sports," he stressed how difficult it is for a team to game plan against the K.C. pass rush. How do you employ a double-team with a true presence coming off the edge on each side? What do you do about second-year nose tackle Dontari Poe, an immovable (and unblockable) object in the middle?The ability to pressure Manning without blitzing gives Kansas City's very solid defensive backfield a chance to contain Denver's dynamic receiving weapons (Demaryius Thomas, Wes Welker, Eric Decker and Julius Thomas).Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton will have his unit ready. K.C. stifles opposing quarterbacks, yielding the NFL's lowest figures in opponent passer rating (67.8) and completion percentage (53.5). And I'll be surprised if Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno can get going against Poe, Derrick Johnson and the Chiefs' run defense.

If Manning is healthy (or healthy enough), this will be a classic confrontation between an offense filled with the aforementioned galaxy of stars and a defense that has allowed just nine touchdown passes in nine games while yielding a league-low 12.3 points per contest. The Broncos continued their aerial assault on the NFL in the 28-20 win over the Chargers on Sunday, with Manning shredding San Diego for 330 passing yards and four touchdowns (without a single pick). The Broncos now have scored 371 points this year -- the most through the first nine games of a season in NFL history -- while easily pacing the league with an average of 458.7 yards per game.

It goes without saying that this will be the Chiefs' toughest test yet, the truest challenge to their unblemished mark. But beyond Kansas City's stingy, playmaking defense, its offense is built to beat the Broncos.

Jamaal Charles is putting together a sensational season, leading the Chiefs in rushing yards and receptions while ranking second in the NFL with 1,114 yards from scrimmage. He can run on Denver, moving the chains, controlling the clock and -- most importantly -- keeping Manning off the field. Charles also will take short passes from Alex Smith and make big gains.

And yes, Alex Smith is a positive.

Smith told me last Monday on "Schein on Sports" that he truly doesn't care about "QB ranking or fantasy stats" -- and he shouldn't. Smith is one of the most self-aware athletes you'll ever encounter. He is comfortable in his own skin, but he still plays with a chip on his shoulder from past experiences.

Smith really only cares about one thing: winning. And that's something he's done plenty of lately, compiling a 29-6-1 mark in the last 36 NFL games he's started. Smith told me about the quick bond he formed with new coach Andy Reid; it began with their first phone conversation, when Reid quizzed Smith on a play. (Smith, of course, had the answer Reid was looking for.) These two are attached at the hip, seeing the game the same way. You can call Smith a game manager or question his arm. I call Smith a winner, someone who doesn't make mistakes with the game on the line. This is a guy who simply will not turn over the ball, will not give Manning extra opportunities. Smith -- reflecting the Chiefs as a whole right now -- oozes confidence.

The West is the AFC's best division, with the Chiefs and Broncos headlining conference chatter. The division winner is in prime position to get the No. 1 seed (and accompanying first-round bye), with the runner-up likely dropping to a No. 5 slot. Teams routinely make Super Bowl runs from the wild-card round -- see: the 2012 Baltimore Ravens -- but I believe it's important for Denver to win the division, given Manning's health concerns and age. Meanwhile, Kansas City obviously desires home-field advantage in the playoffs, given that Arrowhead Stadium represents the second-best environment in the NFL (behind CenturyLink Field in Seattle). The venue is a true game-changer for the Chiefs.

Chiefs haters attack the schedule they've played and say Denver will expose them. (I wrote about this a few weeks ago.) I don't see that happening.

Though Manning and the Broncos will be the hosts of this Sunday's epic AFC West showdown, Kansas City is getting Denver at the right time to make a statement.

Follow Adam Schein on Twitter @AdamSchein.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186709)
I believe that was a deceptive statistic, because last year he threw the ball down the field less than almost every other starting QB.

And it was reflected in his again pathetic yards per completion.

And that was partially intermediate throws, too, because he did that less than 2010 Matt ****ing Cassel.

Of course you believe it was deceptive, it doesn't fit your narrative that you have to throw downfield to win. You prefer YPC but you haven't provided any support for it being a stat more in line with actually winning ballgames - only that you believe throwing deep wins and deep throws bolster a YPC but not necessarily YPA because of the lower completion rate.

You call it deceptive because you swear you have to throw deep to win.

Smith didn't. He was efficient. He won.

What's deceptive about that? You may think the results are an outlier, but if a guy can go complete his passes as frequently as Smith did last year, living from 8-12 yards and in will be fine. Actual results support this.

The problem is that he's turned into a chickenshit that won't finish his delivery and won't wait for his routes to develop.

htismaqe 11-14-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186694)
Yes, this season's Alex Smith is struggling mightily, but it's due in large part to a line that simply can't protect, especially up the middle. That's catastrophic to a QB confidence and impacts everything he tries to do.

And given where all these guys were drafted, it's pretty disappointing.

ThaVirus 11-14-2013 12:19 PM

It's a combination of things. We switched blocking schemes this offseason and our 1.1 RT was a walking abortikn for about the first seven weeks of the season. So despite spending shitloads of high picks on all five of our starting linemen, they're still young and learning a new system. Maybe they're out of scheme or still learning, who knows, but they suck at pass protection and often can't clear out any lanes for Jamaal to run as evidenced by his shitty YPC this season (which, coincidentally, is actually right around league average- he's that amazing).

So basically you have a running game that struggles to get going until the 4th quarter and a QB that's forced to run scared often and stare down the rush, feeling phantom pressure when there isn't any. Combine that with the fact that Smith has never really been known as a guy to take risks and you have a passing game that basically consists of check downs to backs.

I think Jamaal has more catches than either Bowe or Avery do targets. Something needs to change and as much as Smith pisses me off, I realize that it needs to start with the offensive line.

EDIT: This was a response to MileHighFish

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186753)
You call it deceptive because you swear you have to throw deep to win.

Smith didn't. He was efficient. He won.

He won with defense. As he has always done.

He is the luckiest son of a bitch alive.

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 12:22 PM

Sounding like Denver will employ a lot of 2 tight end sets in order to try to slow down the KC rush. Doing so means Welker will spend a lot of time watching from the sidelines but Denver is going to do everything they can to protect Manning. I am seeing a lot of check downs to Ball/Moreno as well as a healthy does of quick screens to let the WR's try to make something happen.

htismaqe 11-14-2013 12:22 PM

Adam Schein did a great job of summing up the post I made a couple of days ago when I first came back.

Smith really only cares about one thing: winning. And that's something he's done plenty of lately, compiling a 29-6-1 mark in the last 36 NFL games he's started. Smith told me about the quick bond he formed with new coach Andy Reid; it began with their first phone conversation, when Reid quizzed Smith on a play. (Smith, of course, had the answer Reid was looking for.) These two are attached at the hip, seeing the game the same way. You can call Smith a game manager or question his arm. I call Smith a winner, someone who doesn't make mistakes with the game on the line. This is a guy who simply will not turn over the ball, will not give Manning extra opportunities. Smith -- reflecting the Chiefs as a whole right now -- oozes confidence.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10186756)
And given where all these guys were drafted, it's pretty disappointing.

I'm especially irritated by Allen.

Fisher I actually do see some signs of life in. I've seen improvement and I've seen clear technical flaw could be fixed pretty easily with reps.

Allen, OTOH, just stinks on ice. He looks awful.

DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186768)
He won with defense. As he has always done.

He is the luckiest son of a bitch alive.

So the defense is how he completed 70% of his passes last year?

Again, explain to me what was 'deceptive' about Smith's 7.5 YPA average over his final 2 seasons in SF?

MileHighFish 11-14-2013 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10186762)
It's a combination of things. We switched blocking schemes this offseason and our 1.1 RT was a walking abortikn for about the first seven weeks of the season. So despite spending shitloads of high picks on all five of our starting linemen, they're still young and learning a new system. Maybe they're out of scheme or still learning, who knows, but they suck at pass protection and often can't clear out any lanes for Jamaal to run as evidenced by his shitty YPC this season (which, coincidentally, is actually right around league average- he's that amazing).

So basically you have a running game that struggles to get going until the 4th quarter and a QB that's forced to run scared often and stare down the rush, feeling phantom pressure when there isn't any. Combine that with the fact that Smith has never really been known as a guy to take risks and you have a passing game that basically consists of check downs to backs.

I think Jamaal has more catches than either Bowe or Avery do targets. Something needs to change and as much as Smith pisses me off, I realize that it needs to start with the offensive line.

EDIT: This was a response to MileHighFish

Thanks! Great explanation and I appreciate it. Charles really is amazing and to see him amongst the leaders based on how the line has played speaks volumes to his talent. Can't imagine what he would do behind a "good" o-line (don't mean that in a disrespectful manner in any way either).


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