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Red Dawg 11-15-2013 04:47 PM

Stopping the run will be key to this game
 
It is every game but a gimpy Manning that has been beat up lately leads to them running more to control our pass rush. We got gashed in Buffalo so it makes sense. Stuff them and it will play into our hands.

Bowser 11-15-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10190408)
It is every game but a gimpy Manning that has been beat up lately leads to them running more to control our pass rush. We got gashed in Buffalo so it makes sense. Stuff them and it will play into our hands.

That to go with stopping the screen passes and quick outs. Manning throws the ball ~ 2 seconds. Shut down Moreno's silly ass, play man, and anticipate those short throws.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 11-15-2013 04:51 PM

How mobile was that Bills QB?

Bowser 11-15-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 10190419)
How mobile was that Bills QB?

I'm guessing more so than Peyton will be.

FlaChief58 11-15-2013 04:54 PM

Yep, and we'll have to punch their recievers in the mouth at the line to throw jughead's rhythm off too so Hali, Poe & Houston have a little more time to kill

trndobrd 11-15-2013 04:55 PM

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Ace Gunner 11-15-2013 05:07 PM

*with DJ on the field, no team should ever be able to establish a run game

*this one will be won in the first 30 minutes of regulation -- or at least the Mannings will try to put this game away early and follow up with the run game

*Flowers on Welker is going to be awesome to watch

*Chiefs need to start playing for the playoffs whenever they play division rivals -- needs to start with this game, on to the Boltz game & then on to the Manning fest at Arrowhead

*Poe needs to step up in this one so the OLB's can get active, but he's got a good challenge ahead against the Denver interior line

T-post Tom 11-15-2013 05:13 PM

Pound Manning at every opportunity. No worries, Marty will pay the fines.

Mr. Laz 11-15-2013 05:24 PM

If you mean stopping the run while in our dime package, i agree.


gotta keep guys back to defend the pass and if we have to commit more guys to stop the run we will be in trouble.

Red Dawg 11-15-2013 05:47 PM

I tell ya we are getting zero respect for our defense. Manning is rated one this week and all their wr's are projected to get a td. I hope kc focuses on D. Thomas. Him being taken away be be huge but stopping the run is still my main concern to win. They will run more than they have this season this week for sure. The players have a ton of motivation from the media to come out like a bunch pissed of muth fuggers. Nobody thinks we can win.

Easy 6 11-15-2013 05:50 PM

I honestly don't see us having any trouble at all bottling up their run game, the reason being that i reeeally doubt Sutton does much crazy blitzing... nope, for the most part he'll rush five against five and leave plenty of help in the backfield.

Our five against their five? I love our chances... OH YEAH!

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-15-2013 06:28 PM

This is really a huge game for both teams. We win ,we are in command of the #1 spot , Denver wins they are in control. All the media has a huge question mark on the Chiefs. We win ,that goes away and we are a REAL team , not a lucky leftover 2-14 team. I think this is the most excited I've been to get a victory in YEARS !!!!! To beat Forehead and The DONKEYS in this way is just going to be amazing.

MagicHef 11-15-2013 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190519)
I honestly don't see us having any trouble at all bottling up their run game, the reason being that i reeeally doubt Sutton does much crazy blitzing... nope, for the most part he'll rush five against five and leave plenty of help in the backfield.

Our five against their five? I love our chances... OH YEAH!

Rushing 5 is blitzing. That leaves 6 defenders to cover 5 possible receivers. I don't think Sutton will want to do that very much.

FlaChief58 11-15-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10190626)
Rushing 5 is blitzing. That leaves 6 defenders to cover 5 possible receivers. I don't think Sutton will want to do that very much.

And he won't. With the donkeys porous o-line, Sutton will bring 4 (which will be more than enough to get to Jughead) leaving 7 to neutralize the recievers

BlackHelicopters 11-15-2013 07:08 PM

We should definitely try to score more points than Denver.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-15-2013 07:08 PM

Moreno is still ****ing awful. Teams have conceded the run all year. Basically don't give a **** if they hand off. Embarrasing if we don't squash his ass...he's no Spiller or McCoy

MagicHef 11-15-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 10190636)
And he won't. With the donkeys porous o-line, Sutton will bring 4 (which will be more than enough to get to Jughead) leaving 7 to neutralize the recievers

Which porous o-line? The one that has allowed the fewest pressures in the league?

FlaChief58 11-15-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10190642)
Which porous o-line? The one that has allowed the fewest pressures in the league?

The one who is letting teams t off on jughead the past 3 games

MagicHef 11-15-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 10190646)
The one who is letting teams t off on jughead the past 3 games

Uh huh. 8 sacks in the last 3 games isn't good, but it sure is better than the 10 KC has allowed.

Similar to how the 13 sacks over the whole season is preferable to the 26 KC has allowed.

Isn't that interesting. Even with KC leading the league in sacks, Denver has a better sack differential.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-15-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10190659)
Uh huh. 8 sacks in the last 3 games isn't good, but it sure is better than the 10 KC has allowed.

Similar to how the 13 sacks over the whole season is preferable to the 26 KC has allowed.

Isn't that interesting. Even with KC leading the league in sacks, Denver has a better sack differential.


Soooo Faaarrr !!!!

FlaChief58 11-15-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10190659)
Uh huh. 8 sacks in the last 3 games isn't good, but it sure is better than the 10 KC has allowed.

Similar to how the 13 sacks over the whole season is preferable to the 26 KC has allowed.

Isn't that interesting. Even with KC leading the league in sacks, Denver has a better sack differential.

The difference is that we don't have an 80yo brokedick qb who is 1 good hit away from the glue factory

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2013 07:57 PM

Just do a lot of stopping and stuffing.

PHOG 11-15-2013 08:03 PM

Umm....nope...I think the D will be a somewhat major part, but I also think the QB might step his game up?

PHOG 11-15-2013 08:04 PM

[QUOTE=PHOG;10190731]Umm....nope...I think the D will be a somewhat major part, but I also think the QB might step his game up

Simply Red 11-15-2013 08:05 PM

Stop posting will be the key to your balls.

PHOG 11-15-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 10190676)
The difference is that we don't have an 80yo brokedick qb who is 1 good hit away from the glue factory

Amen

PHOG 11-15-2013 08:07 PM

[QUOTE=Simply Red;10190733]Stop posting will be the key to your balls.[

If that was directed towards me, KMA...look when u started

morphius 11-15-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10190640)
Moreno is still ****ing awful. Teams have conceded the run all year. Basically don't give a **** if they hand off. Embarrasing if we don't squash his ass...he's no Spiller or McCoy

Everytime I see them play I see him running through tackles, so we have to make sure to wrap him up. Something we were terrible at against the Bills.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2013 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 10190733)
Stop posting will be the key to your balls.

hahahaha

Red Dawg 11-15-2013 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius (Post 10190748)
Everytime I see them play I see him running through tackles, so we have to make sure to wrap him up. Something we were terrible at against the Bills.

Seriously stopping the run will be huge. It sounds stupid but we want Manning in the pocket dealing with our pass rush. Moreno could kill us. He's beat up and they will try and run more than pass.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10190765)
Seriously stopping the run will be huge. It sounds stupid but we want Manning in the pocket dealing with our pass rush. Moreno could kill us. He's beat up and they will try and run more than pass.

His game against SD was pure ****ing anomaly. We are going to stuff that puke over and over until his helmet flies out his ass!

Psyko Tek 11-15-2013 08:24 PM

need a big game from Poe, if there is no pocket, and the 5 head can't step up, we should all throw in for his retirement party
Jebus i hope the ****er does not go into broadcasting

CrazyPhuD 11-15-2013 08:25 PM

They already have KnoMo running game. Getting pressure from the front 4 will be key to the game. Someone needs to hang a rack of BBQed ribs around Peytons neck and Poe will have a career game.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 10190786)
They already have KnoMo running game. Getting pressure from the front 4 will be key to the game. Someone needs to hang a rack of BBQed ribs around Peytons neck and Poe will have a career game.

How many times can we get penalized for Reid running on to the field?

PHOG 11-15-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 10190785)
need a big game from Poe, if there is no pocket, and the 5 head can't step up, we should all throw in for his retirement party
Jebus i hope the ****er does not go into broadcasting

No, he'll probably own a team.

PHOG 11-15-2013 08:28 PM

LMAO

Pasta Little Brioni 11-15-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10190765)
Seriously stopping the run will be huge. It sounds stupid but we want Manning in the pocket dealing with our pass rush. Moreno could kill us. He's beat up and they will try and run more than pass.

That would be sad. He's ****ing awful.

ThaVirus 11-15-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 10190676)
The difference is that we don't have an 80yo brokedick qb who is 1 good hit away from the glue factory

The real difference is Manning vs Smith. Manning excels at getting the ball out before the rush even has a chance to breathe down his back while Smith stares down the pass rush and double clutches until he takes a sack.

MileHighFish 11-15-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10190812)
That would be sad. He's ****ing awful.

While Moreno is not AP, I would hardly classify him as "awful" this season. Just look at the stats. He gets the job done at a above average level.

chiefzilla1501 11-15-2013 11:46 PM

Manning has been checking into more runs than usual. I'm sure he will do it a lot given his offensive line and pass rush. The Chiefs better figure out how to stop Knowshon. They can't play like they did against Buffalo.

RealSNR 11-15-2013 11:49 PM

He's really Joseph Addaiing it up

Eleazar 11-15-2013 11:53 PM

At this point in Manning's career I think everyone knows his game, and what teams do to limit him. You have to be able to generate a pass rush without bringing extra rushers. Even if you do, he might be feeling it today and still win. You have to be able to confuse or just beat the protection consistently.

He loses a few games a year. It's not like no one ever beats him. We stand as good a chance as anyone does with our defense.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-15-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MileHighFish (Post 10191035)
While Moreno is not AP, I would hardly classify him as "awful" this season. Just look at the stats. He gets the job done at a above average level.

ROFL Teams really load up to stop the donc ground game

RunKC 11-16-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10190642)
Which porous o-line? The one that has allowed the fewest pressures in the league?

The one that gave up a ton of pressure to Larry ****ing English and the Chargers awful D.

Manning getting the ball out quickly significantly skews that OL stat and you know it.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-16-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10191060)
The one that gave up a ton of pressure to Larry ****ing English and the Chargers awful D.

Manning getting the ball out quickly significantly skews that OL stat and you know it.

He's pretty dumb, so probably not.

Easy 6 11-16-2013 04:43 PM

In the weather that's forecasted, with Mannings arm weakening by the week and our pass rush, they are going to try to put the D in dink... tons of short drops to get the ball out of his hands.

Which is why i want us to press the CRAP outta those recievers at the line, jam'em up to screw up the timing of those short throws and hope our 4-5 man rush gets pressure... they may limit our sacks on forehead that way, but it should leave plenty of opportunities to capitalize on hurried throws.

Which means we may be light on sacks, but rich with chances for picks.

TEX 11-16-2013 05:10 PM

Stop the run and limit the YAC yards and hope some illegal picks/offensive PI get called. The OP is correct in that stopping the run will be very important.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 05:21 PM

I'm worried that early third-degree burns to Sean Smith will force us to play the safeties deeper and the Broncos will start piling up rushing yards....which will lead to disaster when Alex goes 3 and out the entire 1st quarter.

Easy 6 11-16-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192291)
I'm worried that early third-degree burns to Sean Smith will force us to play the safeties deeper and the Broncos will start piling up rushing yards....which will lead to disaster when Alex goes 3 and out the entire 1st quarter.

They might knock off a few big passes to Demaryius because Smith is a step slower, but if he can jam that guy up more often than not, i like our chances there.

Smith is big enough to contest pretty much anything thrown his way against Thomas, its not a true mismatch by any measure.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10192302)
They might knock off a few big passes to Demaryius because Smith is a step slower, but if he can jam that guy up more often than not, i like our chances there.

Smith is big enough to contest pretty much anything thrown his way against Thomas, its not a true mismatch by any measure.

Disagree completely.

DT is going off for 150 yards and 2 TD in this game.

Ace Gunner 11-16-2013 05:30 PM

I'd have Cooper on DT

O.city 11-16-2013 05:31 PM

Thomas struggles with the press. Put our best press corner on him.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10192313)
Thomas struggles with the press. Put our best press corner on him.

The guy has 800 yards and 9 TD this year.

He really has weaknesses in his game. LMAO

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 05:33 PM

This is it, though, boys.

This is the game.

If Sean Smith has a good game tomorrow you can finally say I was wrong about his lanky ass.

Bring it on.

O.city 11-16-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192316)
The guy has 800 yards and 9 TD this year.

He really has weaknesses in his game. LMAO

It's Saturday, shouldn't you be "studying" football today?

Easy 6 11-16-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192305)
Disagree completely.

DT is going off for 150 yards and 2 TD in this game.

I cant think of a CB outside of Sherman who matches up so well with Thomas... Smith isn't going to be outmuscled or outlengthed all over the field by this guy.

I suppose he could have a big game, but it will be by scheme, not because its a huge mismatch... are you still going with 48-14 donkos?

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10192319)
It's Saturday, shouldn't you be "studying" football today?

Been watching football and trolling you all day.

I multitask well.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10192320)
I cant think of a CB outside of Sherman who matches up so well with Thomas... Smith isn't going to be outmuscled or outlengthed all over the field by this guy.
?

Sean Smith traditionally struggles against elite QB/WR tandems. He doesn't have the speed or quickness to stay with DT.

I have no doubt in my mind tomorrow he's going to be a subject of great debate around here.

Ace Gunner 11-16-2013 05:37 PM

Marcus Cooper y'all

O.city 11-16-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192321)
Been watching football and trolling you all day.

I multitask well.

Yeah, you've trolled me well.

Easy 6 11-16-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10192327)
Marcus Cooper y'all

OH YEAH!

Red Dawg 11-16-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192325)
Sean Smith traditionally struggles against elite QB/WR tandems. He doesn't have the speed or quickness to stay with DT.

I have no doubt in my mind tomorrow he's going to be a subject of great debate around here.

I think you over estimate his speed. Thomas is not a burner. Bowe is just as fast.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10192375)
I think you over estimate his speed. Thomas is not a burner. Bowe is just as fast.

He ran a 4.38.

Sean Smith is a 4.5 guy.

This is not a good matchup for us.

Easy 6 11-16-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192378)
He ran a 4.38.

Sean Smith is a 4.5 guy.

This is not a good matchup for us.

But with his size, if he can jam him up at the line more often than not, he's the perfect guy to body up on him, particularly against the short throws that will make up the bulk of fiveheads game in bad weather.

I really never foresaw the day you'd be so negative about every single thing, good grief.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10192389)
But with his size, if he can jam him up at the line more often than not, he's the perfect guy to body up on him, particularly against the short throws that will make up the bulk of fiveheads game tommorow.

I really never foresaw the day you'd be so negative about every single thing, good grief.

Sean Smith is not a physical corner.

As for negatives, I have been negative about two things this year: Alex and Sean.

The Smiths are going to hold this team back. You watch.

Red Dawg 11-16-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192378)
He ran a 4.38.

Sean Smith is a 4.5 guy.

This is not a good matchup for us.

Really. I don't care what is listed on some web site. You think he is as fast as Deshaun Jackson. Ok whatever. Your stupid.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10192395)
Really. I don't care what is listed on some web site. You think he is as fast as Deshaun Jackson. Ok whatever. Your stupid.

I think he's faster than Sean Smith, who is not fast at all.

Red Dawg 11-16-2013 06:21 PM

[http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/139081-smiths-pro-day-performance-cements-first-day-bid"]http:// http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/139081-smiths-pro-day-performance-cements-first-day-bid[/URL]
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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Fohttp://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/139081-smiths-pro-day-performance-cements-first-day-bidrehead (Post 10192401)
I think he's faster than Sean Smith, who is not fast at all.

Smith also ran a 4.3 once like Thomas so I guess he will have no problem keeping up.

Easy 6 11-16-2013 06:25 PM

Check your link, Tuck...

Red Dawg 11-16-2013 06:28 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-first-day-bid
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10192431)
Check your link, Tuck...

bleacherreport.com/articles/139081-smiths-pro-day-performance-cements-first-day-bid

I did and my bad. It was a 4.43. Just as fast. Thanks Pam and goodbye now with your bullshit.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 06:35 PM

You guys seriously act like you don't even watch the Broncos play. LMAO

There is no way Sean Smith is handing DT tomorrow.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-16-2013 06:39 PM

Dude is overrated thanks to Jughead

Pasta Little Brioni 11-16-2013 06:40 PM

Plus he gets like a billion yards off of those illegal picks

Eleazar 11-16-2013 06:41 PM

Manning is rated 121 on the season and they are leading the league in yards per game. It's not just Smith they have been giving problems.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10192520)
Manning is rated 121 on the season and they are leading the league in yards per game. It's not just Smith they have been giving problems.

I'd just as soon give Smith safety help and let Cooper and Flowers take their chances.

Easy 6 11-16-2013 06:59 PM

I'm cool with some safety help for Smith, it makes sense against their biggest deep threat... but if Smiths performance thus far on the year isn't enough to earn him some respect from you Clay... then you're simply being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Oh, and saying he isn't physical :LOL:

Red Dawg 11-16-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10192499)
You guys seriously act like you don't even watch the Broncos play. LMAO

There is no way Sean Smith is handing DT tomorrow.

All of us should worry about all their wr's because they are all good. Thomas is not some uncoverable bad ass. Smith will have his hands full but Thomas will not just leave him in the dust was my point. You said he would. Thomas is not in the Johnson or Megatron class by any means. He is like Bowe but with a better QB.

keg in kc 11-16-2013 07:11 PM

The keys to this game are simple:

1) The defense can't have an 'off' quarter or half. They have to play their A game for four quarters or we'll get blown out. This isn't the titans or the browns or the bills, a bad 15 or 20 minutes and we're down by two or three scores. Almost certainly game over if that happens. That doesn't mean they can't give up any points - they aren't shutting Denver down or out - but they can't give up bunches of points. Don't let the inevitable broken play long TD (that we give up every week) turn into a momentum shifter. Keep them in the 20s for the game and we have a chance, which takes me to key #2:

2) The offense has to play their best game of the season. They need to set the tone right from the start. Efficiency and points. Move the chains. Score. Preferably TDs. They need to actively contribute to winning time of possession. They can't have 3 or 4 or 5 play "drives" early in the game and then punt the ball right back to Denver. And they have to answer scores with scores. But our kind of scores: long drives that eat clock and end in TDs.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10192562)
All of us should worry about all their wr's because they are all good. Thomas is not some uncoverable bad ass. Smith will have his hands full but Thomas will not just leave him in the dust was my point. You said he would. Thomas is not in the Johnson or Megatron class by any means. He is like Bowe but with a better QB.

He's way better than Bowe. He's easily a top 5 receiver and with Manning that makes him deadly.

Hammock Parties 11-16-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10192553)
I'm cool with some safety help for Smith, it makes sense against their biggest deep threat... but if Smiths performance thus far on the year isn't enough to earn him some respect from you Clay... then you're simply being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Oh, and saying he isn't physical :LOL:

I think he is fool's gold. He had a stretch of good games to start 2012, too.

Now that we are going to face some real QBs, we will see the real Sean Smith rear his ugly head.


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