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Andy Reid on Tamba Hali and Justin Houston's injuries
By Joel Thorman  @JoelThorman on Nov 25 2013, 12:30p 4

The Kansas City Chiefs head coach on Monday updated everyone on the injuries suffered by Tamba Hali (ankle) and Justin Houston (elbow) in Sunday's loss to the San Diego Chargers.

Tamba Hali has an ankle sprain.

"He did have an MRI on it," Reid said. "That's what it is, a slight ankle sprain. He'll continue to work this week. He was moving around a little bit better today than he was after the game yesterday."

Considering what some of us feared, this is good news. It could be worse (it could always be worse).

More notes on Tamba's injury:

It's not a high ankle sprain.

"He made big improvements from yesterday but we just have to see how he does," Reid said when asked about Tamba practicing this week.

"He was on crutches after the game and today he was able to walk in the pool," Reid said. "He came in with one crutch so we're halfway there."
"The MRI was a positive."

Justin Houston: Subluxed elbow

"Justin Houston subluxed his elbow," Reid said. "We weren't able to do the MRI he's got quite a bit of swelling in there and they weren't able to get him in the position to do the MRI."

So I guess the MRI could show more.

No word on how long he could miss but Reid didn't say that this was a long-term situation.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...stons-injuries

He didn't say it wasn't, either

prep the Hs for this sunday's hemorroid

Hali will most likely play, which I'm good with. As long as we have 1 of them in there. Houston could potentially play depending on tissue damage severity. I'm guessing he's out a week.

Subluxation

Definition: A condition that occurs when a joint begins to dislocate. Instead of the joint surfaces completely losing contact, a subluxation can be considered a "partial dislocation."
A subluxation can be the result of a trauma or acute injury. In these cases, the injury can be quite painful.

Subluxations can also occur as a result of loose joints. In patients with generalized joint laxity, their body may allow for joint subluxations without any trauma or injury. These patients often have no symptoms and may not need any treatment for joint subluxations. If these joint subluxations become symptomatic, treatment may be recommended.

Odd, I read in the game thread Hali's career was likely over.

This is good news. The best we could have expected anyway.

probly won't play this weekend

Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher 36m
Reid said Hali has discarded one of his two crutches, so making progress. Reid unsure whether he will practice on Wed.

We need Houston in there. He's solid in run D, pass coverage, pass rush.

Hali is mostly a one trick pony. He rushes the QB and isn't any threat dropping back...

I think this myth has been disproven via pick 6.

Reid Ferrin ‏@KCChiefs_Reid 58s
Coach Reid on MRI of Tamba's ankle injury: "Tamba, the doctors, coaches and everybody felt better after his MRI. The MRI was a positive."
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Each injury is unique, and each position requires different uses of ones body, but I do recall McMidget (McCluster) badly hyper-extending his elbow last year, and that little bastard was playing the next week.

Again, I know Houston uses his upper body to push/pull/rip far more than #22 does- but it makes me hope he can brace it, rub some dirt on it and drive on...

I don't...

wat

Tamba is great at everything. Pass rush, run defense, containment, sealing the edge, picking up screens and dropping back into the flats or a zone

what games do you watch? Soon as he went out the backups wouldnt seal the edge on run plays and got dominated. That's how Ryan Mathews scored easily.

Warpaint Illustrated‏@ChiefsInsider2m
Hearing rumblings #Chiefs LB Tamba Hali may have better chance to play Sunday vs. #Broncos than LB Justin Houston so that's encouraging.

All he does is catch touchdowns

VERY PAINFUL. I had one on my left elbow a few years back. I had to wear a static brace much like J.J. Watt wears. It holds the elvow in place and stretches the ligament because it wants to constrict and limit mivement to avoid further injury.

me either, bj raji had a pick six once...

ROFL don't know why that hit a funny bone

Well damn, that settles that then.

Houston needs to sack up and go play with a cast on.

:sulk:

Reid Ferrin‏@KCChiefs_Reid1m
Coach Reid on Justin Houston's subluxed elbow: "They weren’t able to get him in position that they wanted to do the MRI," cont'd.....

Reid Ferrin‏@KCChiefs_Reid30s
Coach Reid on Houston's subluxed elbow injury: "So, we’ll wait a day or so to get the swelling down and go from there."

I just don't think Hali's as good in coverage as you do.

Not a difference of opinion I feel is worth a 200 word post...

I think we are watching different games...

No problem. I wouldn't say thats his strength but he is much much better than he used to be at it.

Given the option to have 1 guy play out of the 2 I take Hali all day every Sunday, he gets more consistent pressure and should be drawing about 32 holding penalties a game.

I always thought this, too.
Yesterday, he was on a rush and peeled off to cover a back running downfield and stayed with him step for step. I had never seen that before.

well that can't be good
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I think Houston is a more complete player but Hali is the better pass rusher.

Houston takes the edge in coverage and run support, Hali takes it in pass rushing. They're about even but Houston is better at rushing the passer than Hali is in coverage so I'll give him the nod.

Hali was quoted as saying,"I am going to take what's left of my ankle and break it off in Peyton Manning's ass".

I read that too. Im stunned he's even alive after reading CP yesterday.

Agreed.

Here's where I disagree. Houston is exceptional in pass coverage. He's been great vs. HB's and (slower) TE's his whole career.

And as a pass rusher Houston is a beast. He's stupid strong and has a full clip of pass rush moves to fire at the QB. Houston is fast, can bull rush, can speed rush, and can swim and go.

Hali is often pushed outside because his upper body just isn't as strong. Hali himself said that Houston "can do things I just can't do."

So basically...

Hali - 50/50 for Sunday
Houston - Out 2-3 weeks

Very good news IMHO. I thought the results would be flip-flopped based on how the players left the field. Hali is a beast, he will suit up with a pregame injection.

Was Lewis injured or benched?

Yes...

hopefully Benched.

Houston's injury looked a lot worse than Tambi's judging from what I saw. That's a hell of a one two punch for the defense to take.

Damn

As long as we have atleast one of them in there i'll feel a lot better, even on a gimpy ankle Hali is miles above any of the backups.

Are you really quoting that guy, really? He doesn't hear rumblings, he invents shit.

Good news....i was expecting worse. If we can manage a win this week anything is possible.

LOL

Houston's injury is the same that Watt suffered. IIRC, he was out 2 weeks.

....from other reports I am seeing.

He is right...

So kindly suck shit ma'am.

:facepalm:

If they can't MRI it, that sounds shitty for Houston to be back by the Donk game. I hope to **** Hali is better.

Injury expert on 610: Hali's injury is the best possible sprain he could have had. Grade 1+. Says if you've rolled your ankle, you've had a grade 1+ sprain.

Doctor Nick!

It's not Nick Athan, if that's what you're implying.

Doctor Athan, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Dr. Athan, white courtesy phone.

I think he's implying Dr. Nick from the Simpsons..

Injury expert: In this case the swelling throws off the MRI. With a subluxation you're looking not to the problem with the joints, but what tore. Some things might be torn, but right now we don't know the severity. Theoretically, if the MRI is not too bad, he can wear a brace and play this week.

Hoping that sprains were grade 1 or 2, and not tears. Says JJ Watt completely dislocated his, and can now bend it 45 degrees the wrong way...Houston's injury is nothing like that.

Injury expert does not think either guy is done for season by any means.

Injury expert says theoretically both guys could be back this week.

:bravo:

No way Houston plays against Denver. They can't even get the MRI done because of the swelling.

Saying WORST CASE SCENARIO for Houston is 4 weeks.

The doctor just said that's standard. They can't do the MRI because if there's tissue inflammation it makes the MRI difficult to read, as they are anyway. Says that if there isn't anything torn and his sprains are grade 1 or 2, he could wear a brace and play.

Probably with ice, to reduce swelling.

I agree. Hali is a beast. My only complaint is that it seems like he didn't keep his weight down this year.

What's the word on Devito?

I think we missed him this weekend, too.

How is it encouraging that one may have a better chance to play than another? What does that sentence even mean?

It came from WPI. If they are saying that one of them is sure to play... they will both have career ending injuries.

THE DEAL IS DONE!

What a poosy...I thought the dudes season was over by the way they carted him off. :evil:

A few years ago on the Royals scout.com forum - ChiefsInsider claimed the Royals had a trade for Arod in the works. They laughed him off the forum. Dude is either legit insane or a scam artist.

From what KK was saying, they think Hali may be able to play vs. Denver, or for sure the week after. Houston sounds bad, may be a season ender. If you watch the injury play -you can see it in my Ten Things post- his elbow gets bent in a direction it's not supposed to bend. It was too swollen to do an MRI today. I hope it doesn't cost him the whole year. It would be crucial to have him back for the playoffs. PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS???!!!

Both? :shrug:

It is Nick Athan, correct?

I just rewatched the video and never noticed that before. This is gruesome looking. His forearm is bent out away from his body. Not natural at all!

I think they should put his arm in a full cast, and on his first pass rush he should take a mighty swing and nail Tainton right in the collar bone with said cast.

After that, he can sit down and rest up for the playoffs...

I just watched it again and kind of wish I hadn't. Ouch!

Works for me, as in the immortal words of Deacon Jones, Peytie-pie is 'a man, . . . or a woman.'

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OUCH That looks far worse then I thought watching the game

This. Why are people acting like this is the end of the world? IIRC DT and other players have had more serious injuries than this and played and played like a boss.

That's what I was told after the game and posted in the other thread this morning.

Also, those ligaments in the elbow (from what I was told) don't ever fully heal on their own and it always requires surgery. Every time. torn or not. The question is when that surgery takes place. If its only strained, he can play relatively soon (maybe not this weekend, though) and the surgery can take place after the season. If there is any tear, they may opt to have the surgery sooner.

Awesome news on Hali, too.

Hali actually wanted to return to the field and finish the game and wasnt allowed to (rightfully so)..I bet it's less than 50/50 that he plays against Denver, though.

Very good news even if both are Out 1-2 Weeks. I feared Hali was going to miss the Rest of the Season and Houston some extended time too.

Rest em up, we pretty much know we'll be the 5 seed unless Peyton goes down so lets make sure we have our full team going in so we can make some noise.

Both should play this week. Players have played with worse injuries.