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KcMizzou 12-10-2013 09:11 PM

A Football Life : Marty Schottenheimer
 
Next Tuesday.

They flashed a bit of the kicker who shall go unnamed. And then cut to Marty saying, "It was the biggest mistake of my life." I'm assuming Grbac/Gannon.

It's been long enough. I want to see it.

Hammock Parties 12-10-2013 09:14 PM

Actually I think the biggest mistake he's referring to is him leaving KC.

In his book he talks about regretting it.

KcMizzou 12-10-2013 09:19 PM

Interesting. Anyway, I want to see it.

AussieChiefsFan 12-10-2013 09:24 PM

Yeah, when it shows the clip about the biggest mistake he's ever made, I thought it was about him leaving Kansas City.

KcMizzou 12-10-2013 09:30 PM

When he did leave, though, the general feeling was that it was time. All the buzz was that you can only spend so much time in one place. All those great speeches and that passion started to fall on deaf ears. He needed a fresh start.

Kinda sounds like Reid.

mcaj22 12-10-2013 09:43 PM

those Marty/Norv Chargers of the mid 2000s

how did they not win something?

TimBone 12-10-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10267221)
those Marty/Norv Chargers of the mid 2000s

how did they not win something?

Because it's all rigged, Brah.

KcMizzou 12-10-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10267221)
those Marty/Norv Chargers of the mid 2000s

how did they not win something?

Marty/Rivers

Similar in one way.

tk13 12-10-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10267221)
those Marty/Norv Chargers of the mid 2000s

how did they not win something?

I really wonder what would've happened if Marty had stayed on. But my opinion of Norv is not that high, at least as a HC. Marty built them up to a 14-2 team and then let Norv run it into the ground. And he never coached again. Pretty amazing really.

htismaqe 12-10-2013 09:55 PM

Grbac/Gannon?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

sfuria 12-10-2013 09:56 PM

I really feel bad for the guy. I've always liked him and always thought he got shafted. I mean, how do you go 14-2 and get fired? SMH. He gets you to the playoffs almost every year and then anything can happen. So you fire him for a guy that that's never won anything. Such a shame.

Strongside 12-10-2013 10:01 PM

It's obvious what he's referring to with the 'biggest mistake ever' comment.

http://img.comc.com/zoom/d8d2f6b5-68...1039febbd5.jpg

KcMizzou 12-10-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10267258)
Grbac/Gannon?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Hey man, seems silly since you put it that way. But it still bugs me. :banghead:

Reerun_KC 12-10-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sfuria (Post 10267260)
I really feel bad for the guy. I've always liked him and always thought he got shafted. I mean, how do you go 14-2 and get fired? SMH. He gets you to the playoffs almost every year and then anything can happen. So you fire him for a guy that that's never won anything. Such a shame.

How do you build such solid clubs then have a career 5 and 15 playoff record.

Red Dawg 12-10-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 10267265)
It's obvious what he's referring to with the 'biggest mistake ever' comment.

http://img.comc.com/zoom/d8d2f6b5-68...1039febbd5.jpg

Was he no good? Really?

KcMizzou 12-10-2013 10:15 PM

I love Marty. He's the guy who turned me into a hard core Chiefs fan circa 1989.

sfuria 12-10-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10267305)
How do you build such solid clubs then have a career 5 and 15 playoff record.

At least he gets you to the playoffs. There are 20 other teams out there that would love to just make it to the playoffs. I'm sorry but you don't just fire a guy that got you a 14-2 record. Would you rather not make the playoffs 3 years in a row or would you rather make the playoffs all 3 years? He's good coach, and he was shafted. No one will be able to convince me otherwise.

Yeah sure he was conservative, but at the end of the day.. HE GOT HIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR!! Ask the Bills, Browns, Cards, Dolphins, (and until this year, our Chiefs), Jags, vikings, redskins, bucs, if they would rather go the playoffs every year as opposed to going under 500 every year.

Yeah thats right, all those teams would love to have what he accomplished. As for why he was never re-hired, I have no clue. I really thought he would have been rehired quickly. All I can think is that he got upset about being fired after going 14-2 and decided he was done with coaching. All I know is that many underachieving teams would have loved to have him.

He was a good coach.

big nasty kcnut 12-10-2013 10:48 PM

I love Marty so much.

Reerun_KC 12-10-2013 10:49 PM

I remember like yesterday. Marty would implode during the 1st round of the playoffs. And chiefs fans would say "at least he got you to the playoffs". It was alwahs moral victories in mediocrityville

Deberg_1990 12-10-2013 10:50 PM

Marty will always have his UFL title with the Virginia Destroyers to cherish.

Reerun_KC 12-10-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sfuria (Post 10267403)
At least he gets you to the playoffs. There are 20 other teams out there that would love to just make it to the playoffs. I'm sorry but you don't just fire a guy that got you a 14-2 record. Would you rather not make the playoffs 3 years in a row or would you rather make the playoffs all 3 years? He's good coach, and he was shafted. No one will be able to convince me otherwise.

Yeah sure he was conservative, but at the end of the day.. HE GOT HIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR!! Ask the Bills, Browns, Cards, Dolphins, (and until this year, our Chiefs), Jags, vikings, redskins, bucs, if they would rather go the playoffs every year as opposed to going under 500 every year.

Yeah thats right, all those teams would love to have what he accomplished. As for why he was never re-hired, I have no clue. I really thought he would have been rehired quickly. All I can think is that he got tired of coaching and refused all offers. Because I know many those those teams that have been bad would have loved to have him.

He was a good coach.

Uh dude. The bills went to 4 ****ing superbowls during martys time in kc. Dolphins knocked the chiefs out.of.the playoffs a time or two. Redskins won a ton back then. Jfc people.

Strongside 12-10-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10267308)
Was he no good? Really?

My man...Mr. Jenkins here played 9 games in three seasons and was cut. He then failed to make an XFL team. We drafted this cat at number 31 overall.

He is widely considered the worst number 31 overall pick since the merger.

In short...yes. He was that bad. He was Ryan Sims, Jr. Siavii and Todd Blackledge all rolled into one, fat, 340 pound pile of dog shit.

Reerun_KC 12-10-2013 10:51 PM

Jesse Haynes

Reerun_KC 12-10-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 10267423)
My man...Mr. Jenkins here played 9 games in three seasons and was cut. He then failed to make an XFL team. We drafted this cat at number 31 overall.

He is widely considered the worst number 31 overall pick since the merger.

In short...yes. He was that bad. He was Ryan Sims, Jr. Siavii and Todd Blackledge all rolled into one, fat, 340 pound pile of dog shit.

Yoh are being too kind

Strongside 12-10-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10267427)
Yoh are being too kind

You're probably right.

sfuria 12-10-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10267421)
Uh dude. The bills went to 4 ****ing superbowls during martys time in kc. Dolphins knocked the chiefs out.of.the playoffs a time or two. Redskins won a ton back then. Jfc people.

Sorry I was talking recent history, not 20+ years ago. My only question was that how do you fire a coach that led your team to a 14-2 record? Seriously?

Three7s 12-10-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10267415)
I remember like yesterday. Marty would implode during the 1st round of the playoffs. And chiefs fans would say "at least he got you to the playoffs". It was alwahs moral victories in mediocrityville

Yeah, let's blame it all on Marty for his playoff failures. Just like I'm sure the Charger fans blame Marty for screwing up a game-winning INT in the playoffs by deciding to run with it and fumbling.

:facepalm:

fan4ever 12-10-2013 11:12 PM

Marty should have been in a couple of SuperBowls at least if it weren't for unlikely scenarios. The Byner goal line fumble in Denver when with Cleveland, the dumbass corner not going down after intercepting Brady in San Diego and coughing the ball back up...not to mention with us...Petersen letting Lowry leave and signing that douchebag for example.

sfuria 12-10-2013 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 10267454)
Marty should have been in a couple of SuperBowls at least if it weren't for unlikely scenarios. The Byner goal line fumble in Denver when with Cleveland, the dumbass corner not going down after intercepting Brady in San Diego and coughing the ball back up...not to mention with us...Petersen letting Lowry leave and signing that douchebag for example.

And I guess that is why I don't understand all this Marty hate. The guy was a good coach who always got you in a good position to win.

Lzen 12-11-2013 09:11 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I just read his book a few months ago. Good stuff.

Reerun_KC 12-11-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sfuria (Post 10267457)
And I guess that is why I don't understand all this Marty hate. The guy was a good coach who always got you in a good position to win.

He was a good regular season coach and no he didn't always put you in position to win in the playoffs...

I understand the love affair with Marty, He brought the party to Arrowhead and brought some good times back to KC... Got this town to embrace 9-7/10-6 and the one and dones. The guy is a mediocrity legend and the foundation of the true fanbase.

But when he was in the playoffs, the dude was a complete bonehead.. He left you thinking to yourself, How in the hell did this just happen. Why did he stop running the ball and let Bono throw the ball all over the place when we were control the TOP, LOS and the game... Oh wait, its Marty... nevermind.

milkman 12-11-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10267448)
Yeah, let's blame it all on Marty for his playoff failures. Just like I'm sure the Charger fans blame Marty for screwing up a game-winning INT in the playoffs by deciding to run with it and fumbling.

:facepalm:

Yeah, bad luck had a way with biting Marty in the ass.

But his ultra conservative approach consistently put his teams in positon to be bit in thbe ass.

milkman 12-11-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10267855)
He was a good regular season coach and no he didn't always put you in position to win in the playoffs...

I understand the love affair with Marty, He brought the party to Arrowhead and brought some good times back to KC... Got this town to embrace 9-7/10-6 and the one and dones. The guy is a mediocrity legend and the foundation of the true fanbase.

But when he was in the playoffs, the dude was a complete bonehead.. He left you thinking to yourself, How in the hell did this just happen. Why did he stop running the ball and let Bono throw the ball all over the place when we were control the TOP, LOS and the game... Oh wait, its Marty... nevermind.

Around here, we call it Martyocrity.

milkman 12-11-2013 09:26 AM

Marty is probably a top 5-10 regular season coach.

But he's bottom 5 as a playoff coach.

Your legacy is built on playoff games.

gblowfish 12-11-2013 09:46 AM

There's a gleam men.....




A GLEAM....

Mile High Mania 12-11-2013 10:08 AM

He's likely referring to the career move from Cleveland (after 3 big playoff losses to Elway) to KC... and all that entailed. That would be my guess. ;)

htismaqe 12-11-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sfuria (Post 10267457)
And I guess that is why I don't understand all this Marty hate. The guy was a good coach who always got you in a good position to win.

And once we were in that position, he went to the stall offense and prevent defense and we lost.

Marty is the Manning of coaches. Great for the grind but terrible in the big game.

Nzoner 12-11-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 10267153)
Next Tuesday.

They flashed a bit of the kicker who shall go unnamed. And then cut to Marty saying, "It was the biggest mistake of my life." I'm assuming Grbac/Gannon.

It's been long enough. I want to see it.

I've told this story before but 101 was reporting there had been a major argument between Marty and Carl leading up to that game that was squashed very quickly and then a year or two later when Marty was doing NFL Live he was talking about another team who was in the same situation heading into the play-offs and he said something along the lines of stay with the hot hand,no matter what your GM says.

I just connected the dots and would it really surprise any of us if King Carl was actually behind that decision.

Radar Chief 12-11-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 10268088)
I've told this story before but 101 was reporting there had been a major argument between Marty and Carl leading up to that game that was squashed very quickly and then a year or two later when Marty was doing NFL Live he was talking about another team who was in the same situation heading into the play-offs and he said something along the lines of stay with the hot hand,no matter what your GM says.

I just connected the dots and would it really surprise any of us if King Carl was actually behind that decision.

Interesting, hadn't read that before. And no it wouldn't surprise me.

htismaqe 12-11-2013 10:45 AM

I wish we would have started Gannon.

Then we could have lost the exact same way and people could stop talking about.

gosampel 12-11-2013 10:55 AM

"One play at a time" , but lets use 3 runbacks with no feature back........"I'm the smartest or dumbest coach", We found out that one.

Mile High Mania 12-11-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10268020)
And once we were in that position, he went to the stall offense and prevent defense and we lost.

Marty is the Manning of coaches. Great for the grind but terrible in the big game.

Marty and Reeves are better comparisons, the difference being that Dan advanced to the big game and then crapped the bed with horrible planning leading up to the Super Bowls. He never met a QB from the other team that didn't win the SB MVP.

htismaqe 12-11-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gosampel (Post 10268133)
"One play at a time" , but lets use 3 runbacks with no feature back........"I'm the smartest or dumbest coach", We found out that one.

We need to get yards in chunks and throw the ball downfield, let's hire Paul Hackett.

Nzoner 12-11-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10268138)
Marty and Reeves are better comparisons, the difference being that Dan advanced to the big game and then crapped the bed with horrible planning leading up to the Super Bowls. He never met a QB from the other team that didn't win the SB MVP.

I had the opportunity to attend Super Bowl XXII and had a blast,35 points in one quarter in a Superbowl was a sight to behold.

gosampel 12-11-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10268149)
We need to get yards in chunks and throw the ball downfield, let's hire Paul Hackett.

Good ole Lowery in those years but he failed us but you had to love him and those commercials,lol

Radar Chief 12-11-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 10268156)
I had the opportunity to attend Super Bowl XXII and had a blast,35 points in one quarter in a Superbowl was a sight to behold.

Against the Redskins, right?
Didn’t they score something like 21 points in a little over 2 minutes of game time?

Chief Roundup 12-11-2013 11:36 AM

I bet Dan Snyder is wishing he would not have fired Marty after he started to turn that team around.

Nzoner 12-11-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 10268204)
Against the Redskins, right?
Didn’t they score something like 21 points in a little over 2 minutes of game time?

Yep,as I recall they scored 5 td's in less than 6 minutes


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