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scho63 12-13-2013 07:43 AM
Could Denver's loss last night be a BAD thing for our team?
 
I rooted all night against Denver for them to lose and was happy for the results. I certainly didn't "root" for Phyllis Diller Rivers :#

Then it started to sink in that even though Denver lost, we still have a very low chance and tough road to win the division to have either the #1 or #2 seed in the AFC with our tie record also with New England.

So now instead of having the flexibility of resting players for health and getting more reps for a lot of the rookies and subs, we now will probably play balls out until it's all over, which maybe the very last play of the regular season against the very same Chargers that just beat Denver in their house and us at Arrowhead.

While it's exciting to see hard fought football for the entire 16 games, I'm worried our guys will be worn out when the playoffs begin. Indy may have nothing to play for when they play us, compared to us.

Thoughts? :hmmm:

Ceej 12-13-2013 07:48 AM
I've never been a fan of "resting" players.

So, I don't think it's a bad thing.

FRCDFED 12-13-2013 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 10273938)
I've never been a fan of "resting" players.

So, I don't think it's a bad thing.
This. I don't believe "resting" players (on average) has worked out very well for most teams. The only time this is beneficial is if a player is injured and needs time to heal.

hometeam 12-13-2013 08:00 AM
No, because with a little help, we still have a shot at a playoff bye. There's a week of rest.

ChiefEd 12-13-2013 08:01 AM
I was thinking the same while watching last night, scho. Our final two games kickoff at the same as Denver's so we'll have to play hard in case they lose.

If we should happen to drop one (either at Oakland or home against Indy) and Denver beats Houston (very likely), then at least we can "rest" during the Chargers game. Still start everyone of course, but not play like we need to win...

I really don't want anything riding on us beating San Diego in Week 17. Been disappointed by the annual game here too many times...

T-post Tom 12-13-2013 08:02 AM
Very legit theory. I think it would have been good to have Charles, Hali, Houston, Smith and maybe a few others sit out some portion of the last two games. Odds are against the donks losing another game. That said, if the Chiefs were to win the division, home field advantage and a week of rest sounds pretty damn sweet.

ChiefRocka 12-13-2013 08:03 AM
MOAR cold forehead!!

whoman69 12-13-2013 08:27 AM
Doncs play at the Texans and at Raiders. More than likely they win both, but you can never predict 100% certainty a divisional game. Chiefs have a pretty tough schedule with no margin for error. One loss and they are pretty much eliminated from winning the division. I would agree with limited play for those hurt.

Garcia Bronco 12-13-2013 08:28 AM
Man the season is the season. You've got finish. I wouldn't worry about this kind of thing.

King_Chief_Fan 12-13-2013 08:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 10273935)
I rooted all night against Denver for them to lose and was happy for the results. I certainly didn't "root" for Phyllis Diller Rivers :#

Then it started to sink in that even though Denver lost, we still have a very low chance and tough road to win the division to have either the #1 or #2 seed in the AFC with our tie record also with New England.

So now instead of having the flexibility of resting players for health and getting more reps for a lot of the rookies and subs, we now will probably play balls out until it's all over, which maybe the very last play of the regular season against the very same Chargers that just beat Denver in their house and us at Arrowhead.

While it's exciting to see hard fought football for the entire 16 games, I'm worried our guys will be worn out when the playoffs begin. Indy may have nothing to play for when they play us, compared to us.

Thoughts? :hmmm:
the 9-7 wild card Steelers didn't seem to need rest a few years ago when they won the SB.

The loss by Denver means nothing to us. They have Houston and Oakland...meaning 2 more wins.
I am not confident that the Chiefs will have 3 more wins to match Denver at 13-3.

Simply Red 12-13-2013 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 10273953)
MOAR cold forehead!!
ROFL

Bearcat 12-13-2013 08:36 AM
Meh, if they lose in the first round, it'll be because they're exhausted... if they win a couple of games in the playoffs, players will say it's because they were in playoff mode in mid-late December while other teams were resting.

For a team that was 2-14 last year and hasn't seen any meaningful success since Joe Montana, I think they can only benefit from as many high pressure/must win/whatever-you-want-to-call-them games as possible... and I don't think such a team would want it any other way.

TEX 12-13-2013 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 10273973)
Doncs play at the Texans and at Raiders. More than likely they win both, but you can never predict 100% certainty a divisional game. Chiefs have a pretty tough schedule with no margin for error. One loss and they are pretty much eliminated from winning the division. I would agree with limited play for those hurt.
They're pretty much eliminated now from winning the division.

Chief Roundup 12-13-2013 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefEd (Post 10273949)
I was thinking the same while watching last night, scho. Our final two games kickoff at the same as Denver's so we'll have to play hard in case they lose.

If we should happen to drop one (either at Oakland or home against Indy) and Denver beats Houston (very likely), then at least we can "rest" during the Chargers game. Still start everyone of course, but not play like we need to win...

I really don't want anything riding on us beating San Diego in Week 17. Been disappointed by the annual game here too many times...
"You play to win the game....Hello"

It should be more like the Skins game. We get way up and we put our backups in. That is how you properly rest your starters.

Eleazar 12-13-2013 08:44 AM
If a win is meaningless, then you definitely rest your starters.

Otherwise, I'd just rest them in the second half if we were way up, like last week

ping2000 12-13-2013 08:44 AM
No, because all Donk losses are good and contribute to a betterment of our society and the universe as a whole.

ChiefEd 12-13-2013 08:44 AM
Agreed. But I don't see us getting up big on the Colts or Chargers. Maybe the Faid on Sunday, but that's probably it...

ciaomichael 12-13-2013 08:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefEd (Post 10273949)
I was thinking the same while watching last night, scho. Our final two games kickoff at the same as Denver's so we'll have to play hard in case they lose.

If we should happen to drop one (either at Oakland or home against Indy) and Denver beats Houston (very likely), then at least we can "rest" during the Chargers game. Still start everyone of course, but not play like we need to win...
I really don't want anything riding on us beating San Diego in Week 17. Been disappointed by the annual game here too many times...
If it should come to that, would rather we play backups at full intensity rather than intentionally play at low intensity. That just doesn't work. Yes, they're professionals but they're still human beings. Trying to turn intensity off then back on isn't as easy as just flipping a switch. You always play hard.

TEX 12-13-2013 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 10274008)
No, because all Donk losses are good and contribute to a betterment of our society and the universe as a whole.
:clap: Rep!

KChiefs1 12-13-2013 09:04 AM
Just win baby!

RealSNR 12-13-2013 09:10 AM
The Ravens never rested. The Giants never rested. The Packers never rested.

We don't need to ****ing rest. We need to ****ing WIN.

Bewbies 12-13-2013 09:13 AM
Is rather be the 5 seed instead of 1 or 2, so I wish Denver had won. Dumbass.

UK_Chief 12-13-2013 09:14 AM
As long as Chase ****ing Daniel never goes in again I don't mind.

Has Bray been moved to #2 yet?

cookster50 12-13-2013 09:17 AM
I'll take "dumbest thread idea ever" for $1000 Alex

Bewbies 12-13-2013 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cookster50 (Post 10274065)
I'll take "dumbest thread idea ever" for $1000 Alex
I'm sure there were threads wanting Cassel, being happy we traded for him, and there was much celebration that we hired Pioli's worthless ass.

KC-TBB 12-13-2013 09:27 AM
Every year a team gets hot this time of the year...then suprises everyone in the playoffs, that could be us.

Halfcan 12-13-2013 09:28 AM
Donks getting embarrassed at home by a bitter rival is NEVER a bad thing. All you hear on the radio this morning is Donks and Loss being used together-Love it!!

Pats can get the number one seed-which really hurts the donks chances. Go Chiefs and go Pats!!

Mama Hip Rockets 12-13-2013 09:31 AM
Denver losing is never, ever a bad thing.

Halfcan 12-13-2013 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 10273992)
Meh, if they lose in the first round, it'll be because they're exhausted... if they win a couple of games in the playoffs, players will say it's because they were in playoff mode in mid-late December while other teams were resting.

For a team that was 2-14 last year and hasn't seen any meaningful success since Joe Montana, I think they can only benefit from as many high pressure/must win/whatever-you-want-to-call-them games as possible... and I don't think such a team would want it any other way.
:clap: Exactly! They have even more motivation to beat the crap out of the Faders this weekend and finish the season strong.

Chargers laid out a blueprint for beating the donks-hope more teams use it!

DaFace 12-13-2013 09:36 AM
Nope. Any other questions?

ptlyon 12-13-2013 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC-TBB (Post 10274082)
Every year a team gets hot this time of the year...then suprises everyone in the playoffs, that could be the Chargers.
FYP

jspchief 12-13-2013 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 10273935)
I rooted all night against Denver for them to lose and was happy for the results. I certainly didn't "root" for Phyllis Diller Rivers :#

Then it started to sink in that even though Denver lost, we still have a very low chance and tough road to win the division to have either the #1 or #2 seed in the AFC with our tie record also with New England.

So now instead of having the flexibility of resting players for health and getting more reps for a lot of the rookies and subs, we now will probably play balls out until it's all over, which maybe the very last play of the regular season against the very same Chargers that just beat Denver in their house and us at Arrowhead.

While it's exciting to see hard fought football for the entire 16 games, I'm worried our guys will be worn out when the playoffs begin. Indy may have nothing to play for when they play us, compared to us.

Thoughts? :hmmm:
This team isn't good enough to be resting players.

As for Denver, I thought KC played scared both times we faced them. San Diego didn't look intimidated. Until KC gets the confidence that they can hang with Denver, they're going to be less than their best.

suzzer99 12-13-2013 10:12 AM
If we don't lose at home to San Diego, I wonder if they even play hard enough to win the game last night as they'd be out of the playoffs.

Sandy Vagina 12-13-2013 10:16 AM
Enjoyed the Denver loss.. no, don't waste energy on all the other BS.

philfree 12-13-2013 10:33 AM
On the flip side the donks can't rest their players either. If Welker gets one more concussion does that mean he's done for the season. Three concussions in a season and a player must sit? Isn't that the rule.

a pp roach 12-13-2013 10:37 AM
i think you go for that number 1 and don't worry about the other teams. win first! i mean we got number 1 last year so lets do it again.

JakeLV 12-13-2013 10:42 AM
If nothing else, that "terrible" San Diego D showed what you need to do against Forehead to beat them.

O.city 12-13-2013 10:43 AM
If we win out, the Broncos lose and the Pats lose a game, I think there is a situation there where the Chiefs and Bengals could end up the 1/2 seed respectively.

Halfcan 12-13-2013 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10274261)
If nothing else, that "terrible" San Diego D showed what you need to do against Forehead to beat them.
:clap:

jspchief 12-13-2013 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10274261)
If nothing else, that "terrible" San Diego D showed what you need to do against Forehead to beat them.
Denver's own arrogance played into this. San Diego was conceding the short stuff all game. Denver didn't exploit it in the first half. Then you factor in San Diego getting it done on offense in the first half, and consuming almost the entire 3rd qtr, and suddenly it was too late for Denver to get back into it with the underneath stuff that SD was allowing.

Certainly teams should gain some strategy from how SD played, but Denver will probably also look back at the tape and realize they had opportunities to move the ball and were just too greedy.

O.city 12-13-2013 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10274328)
Denver's own arrogance played into this. San Diego was conceding the short stuff all game. Denver didn't exploit it in the first half. Then you factor in San Diego getting it done on offense in the first half, and consuming almost the entire 3rd qtr, and suddenly it was too late for Denver to get back into it with the underneath stuff that SD was allowing.

Certainly teams should gain some strategy from how SD played, but Denver will probably also look back at the tape and realize they had opportunities to move the ball and were just too greedy.
IIRC, thats basically what the Pats and Romeo always had success doing. Make the guy throw it short, putting together long drives. He'll eventually get impatient and take a chance and you have to be able to take advantage of it.

Make him throw it short and tackle. Everyone thinks he destroys zones, which he will if you are undisciplined.

But playing zone on the back with 7 and getting pressure with 4 is the way to beat him.

Unless you have Seattle's secondary that can just man up and maul.


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