Who is more responsible for this turnaround. Clark Hunt, John Dorsey, or Andy Reid.
 

Discuss.

Whats with all these discuss threads lately?

Aren't all threads ultimately to "discuss?"

your mother. who is, in fact, a whore.

(your thread privileges--dead, they should be [/yoda])

Me, Marty, and Clay

/thread.

You're welcome

This.
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Oh for Christ's sake. Get over yourself. Good grief. No1curr. It's over. You had your 15 minutes. It's not that I even disagree that SOC was impactful. It's just the, "It was us, don't forget us" nature of this stupid post. Stupid shit. That's the difference between you and Marty. Marty would never make this kind of post because he's not a dipshit. So irritating. Just let the accomplishment live on its own merits. Shit.

Calm your tits.

I hardly ever post about SOC. It was said in jest. I find your comment funny, though, as Marty was the one who made the thread about flying an SOC banner at the end of the season which got a lot of hate... but that is the difference between me and him, right?

/not to throw Marty under the bus. he is a stand up guy

Jamal Charles MVP 49% of all points scored

You all need to cc: Get a Clue. :p

Clark got it done. He manned up and immediately went after Andy Reid... and made Pioli's bitch ass sit in the airport for eleven hours, knowing that his job was gone if he hired Reid.

Phil's just having a tough day, that's all.

I know. Water off a duck's back.

It was just the fact pr nominated himself that bugged me. Anybody outside those three on this site could have made that post and I'd be nodding partially in partial agreement. Just rubbed me the wrong way. But he's handled it with a lot more class than I have so I'm going apologize and move on.

Sorry for dropping dookie on this thread and to you as well, pr - my fault. I will do better next time.

It's all right, we all have our moments. I know I had mine. But we also have to remember that this board, for the most part, operate on a short term memory, and I would imagine that, unless reminded/brought up, the 2012 season was pretty much a blank/erased from memory.

You're all soooo wrong, this last year I've changed my mattress AND switched from fruit of the loom boxer briefs to Haines. If I don't get my due recognition I'll switch back to FOTL, I swear!

Back in reality; this! Nothing happens without Clark taking the first step (thank you Serta!)

Andy put a good staff together, players are performing (yes it could all be better at times) ball bouncing our way, schedule, luck, etc. these factors play a part on every year. I just want to enjoy the ride right now.... We have all offseason to dissect the team and decisions

When clark decided to dickslap pioli and hire Reid and Dorsey.

...the candy wrapper in the stairwell.

Infamous

Should this be a thread?


discuss

Who started SOC?

They are clearly the individuals who deserve all the credit.

Clark

We bow to no one.

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The turnaround involved many people but it has to be given to Clark the most. Yes, SOC helped spark and unite a fan base; however, ultimately Clark made the decision, recognized the failure of the Pioli era (most prominently the disconnect from the coach), and made the move. Then he proceeded to lure a very attractive head coach and then a very attractive general manager.

SOC and Clark had a love child named Andy Reid.

Just as it's a team game on the field, it's a team game off the field and on the sidelines too. Give them all a :clap: and smile.

All 3.

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Everything that Phil said earlier goes here.

Pioli

I give a lot of credit to the Beard.

Why is this even a question?

Wasn't Clark hunt actually going to keep pioli? I would have to say Reid

Why don't you use question marks when you ask questions in the thread titles?

Clark is the only one who really could set it motion, so to Clark...Thank you.

alex smiff

The guy writing the checks.

WTF did Clay do for SOC that was so epic?

Nothing.

he stuffed a soc(k) in his undies

The Pioli document, that was pretty good stuff I will admit. Even if it was all plagiarized.

It was a compilation, not an original thought.

Technically, nothing he does is completely original.

Clark cleaned house and opened his checkbook wide for the perfect coach, GM, and staff.

This.

Why would Clay want to save a team he hates?

All listed plus the players.

Also, along these same lines I'm really hoping Reid gets coach of the year.

There is an article on put this morning on how Rivera or Philbin might be the front runner :banghead:

The article states there are 50 voters and it's not announced till SB week, I think that awards show on Saturday night before the game. I'm assuming they have to base this on regular season only.

Hunt, he spent a shitload of money getting rid of the old regime and hiring a new one!

Clark for getting Reid here, and Reid for doing what many thought he was too burnt out to do at this point in his career, which is coach at a level easily on par with his best years with the Eagles.

For this year, it's Reid and Alex Smith. Head Coach and QB have been our two biggest weaknesses going back to the Vermeil/Green era.

Going forward, having Dorsey will probably prove to just be as good of an upgrade.

But in terms of turning around a 2-14 team with almost the same roster as before, obviously, coaching and a new QB were bigger factors this year.

People who think SOC brought on the housecleaning are funny.

He did lots of video and graphics work to work social media into a frenzy. He was a player.

I give credit to Peterson, Pioli and Reid/Dorsey for putting this talented group together, even though we can second guess a lot of the choices.

Andy Reid is the guy that created a winning environment that enabled the talent to succeed, thus he gets my vote. I know Clark gets a lot of credit, but he also picked Pioli.

Who would have ever thought the trade of Jared Allen could be so positive in a 3rd round pick of Jamaal Charles?

Holy Trinity:

Clark, John, and the holy Andy.

Took all three working together.

But it all started with Clark making the command decisions.

Regardless of the previous mistake with Pioli, nothing happens without the sweeping changes made by Hunt.

Reid and Dorsey are responsible for the change in culture, but it stil comes down to the act of making change.

If Clark is anything like his father, his loyalty to bullshit could have led to terrible things.

How many years of empty seats did Arrowhead suffer in the 70s and the 80s before Lamar made changes?

2-14 and empty seats are a pretty strong message, but just in case it wasn't enough, there was also SOC. It was a safety measure to ENSURE that Clark did the right thing.

All true, and belated Happy Birthday you old fart.

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not sure about that- many people on the Terrorhead group hated it-but it did get national attention.

I think Losing games and not being competitive wounded Clarks pride and the whole Belcher thing just put all their dirty laundry out there. Chiefs were a joke and when banners are flying over your stadium-it was time to take action.

Clark really changed my opinion of him- he stepped up and is making his own way now. :thumb:

They did the right thing and swept out Carl and Herm after a 2-14 season, and completely cleaned house. There was no SOC then.

In my Opinion it falls to Clark. He made the changes and brought this group together.

Bill Self.

THIS.

It all starts at the top.

Yep.

All of those guys are responsible for this turnaround.

It's not just ONE guy.

You got to give Clark credit for hiring Reid.

You got to give Reid credit for assembling a good coaching staff and having all those guys contributing to making this a well coached ball club.

You got to give John Dorsey credit for bringing in some key players and improving/upgrading this roster heads and shoulders better than last year.

*The sum of all these parts equals the whole

Negative.

Clark

~EVERYone wants a QBotF. Some no matter the cost. But putting that QB in the wrong hands(Edwards, Haley, Romeo) would have been likely a waste. Hopefully Reid's example of McNabb is hope. He's the one

I realize he's your Padawan but please don't feed his ego...

What? Go **** yourself. I created that document entirely of my own accord. Countless hours spent researching pro football reference dot com.

Thank you, Phil. Please know that you are Hobbit #4.

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Reid, Dorsey, Donovan, players, etc. are all acquired assets. The same with Haley, Pioli, Donovan, players, etc.. If new assets produced like the old assets. Clark Hunt gets the blame. There were several people already saying that if Pioli and company was the best he could do then maybe there needs to be a different Hunt put in charge or simply the Hunts should sell to someone else.
We will always blame all of the acquired assets that do not work. They deserve that blame and disdain. But, isn't there always a but, the ultimate blame or credit for acquiring those assets is Clark Hunt.

He looks more like no 3...

Hobbits can't grow facial hair. Phil would be defenseless without the goatee.

Alex Smith < Sutton = Dorsey < Andy < Schedule

Panties in a wad, eh? I understand it can be a very irritating sensation against such sensitive parts.

I like all of those guys. If you trace back the origins, though, you would likely include that Andy and Dorsey arrive later in the timeline and they're the tactical reasons for the success. Clark made the move to bring them in, so he's the strategic reason.

And of course, he made the move due to the combined actions of the Save Our Chiefs movement, Scott Pioli, and Romeo Crennel, so those three groups also get credit.

The Matt Cassel document was one of, if not THE, greatest piece of sports discussion that I have ever seen or heard of.

The role that SOC played cannot be discounted. It was probably one of the first organized efforts a fanbase has undertaken to express their displeasure with the efforts of an NFL team to put a winning product on the field. With that being said, SOC consists of the many individuals who donated, came up with the ideas, or supported in other ways. It represents a great number of people. It was a team effort and the inventor deserves kudo's for not being afraid to confront the organization.

It took Clark to recognize the discontent and to actually want to make change happen. Remember, he was new to the ownership game when he hired Pioli. Plus Pioli was supposed to be a sure thing based on his executive of the year awards. Clark listened when others may not have and made sweeping changes in the front office.

Then credit goes to Dorsey, Reid, and the new coaching staff. Sure there have been stumbling blocks but so far how can a fan not be pleased with the adjustments that the coaching staff has made. It appears that this staff does not stay status-quo when faced with adversity. They analyze it and create solutions to the problems. Plus, when was the last time anyone heard anything out of Dorsey? He knows his place and focuses on his job. Not the media.

Then credit goes to the players that actually execute the plays on the field. This starts with our shiny new QB. However, many players have stood out in this historic turnaround.

The bottom line is that anyone or everyone from the ownership, coaching staff, players, and fanbase all had a role in this success. Let's just enjoy it together./

God damn it!!!!

STOP!!!!

Belcher was a huge link in the chain of events. I'd distance myself from that chain. Or lay it to rest