Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?
 

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

The Chiefs needed instant success after 2012. Hunt did what he had to.

No its year 1.

Right on point 1 and 2. Not right on point 3 and 4. Andy Reid is a player's coach, but not the same way Norv or Romeo are. He is exceptional at motivating players and has a history of having them well prepared to play. There are two youtube videos of him coaching the sideline. Will definitely change your perception of Reid.

He is definitely an exceptional coach. But yes, point 1 and 2 could easily do him in, and nobody should be surprised that these things are happening. The Chiefs have to not only be Super Bowl good, they have to also be good enough to overcome Reid's mistakes in big situations.

His history of building the Eagles and then sustaining that franchise leads me to believe he will do the same here. Get in the dance and see what happens. I can not think of someone who is available who gives us a better chance.

I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.

He didn't have a choice.

The NFL has become VERY strict with concussion injuries with all the recent lawsuits that are cropping up.

Anyone who thinks JC had any choice in playing after the injury or not is pretty GD dumb.

I am almost positive this was not Charles' decision to make. And he did not look at all happy when he was taken into the locker room.

Back to Reid, he does piss me off and there's a good chance his "limitations" and tendencies will prevent us from winning anything meaningful in his time here, but he's worked wonders on this offense.

this is why you dont depend on a RB in a Pass Happy league

I understand that.

Like my dad said years ago to the Hunt's the nfl football is a hobby, not a job they make their main money on

this.

he looked PISSED

I understand football. I know he didn't have a choice. It's an unfortunate thing that probably hurt us in the 4th quarter but we'll never know.

You do realize that was not Jamaals decision right? the doctors would not let him play.

Was anyone truly confident in handing the ball off to Davis all game with his fumbling issues? Andy would have ran the ball more if Charles did not get hurt.

Probably.

Andy is a good coach but when the heat is turned up ala Playoffs, hes not at his best at playcalling and such.

Like Dungy said, Andy called the entire 2nd half like the score was 0-0. A bit more clock bleeding and the Colts just dont have enough possessions to make that comeback.

No. We played a playoff game with Dwayne Bowe and a bunch of scrubs and scored 44 points.

**** all Andy Reid haters. He is who I thought he was, and I'm glad he's our coach.

Eagles fans probably laughed their asses off while watching our game yesterday.

Yes I do know that. I just think it will tarnish his legacy as a Chief. I don't agree with it but there will always be the "what if Jamall didn't get hurt" hanging over his head.

Reid is the same person he's always been.

I knew about #1 and #4 and am already feeling that frustration.

I'll wait and see on #2 and #3

Jamaal is less than 300 yards away from being the top Chiefs rusher of all time. His legacy in the eyes of Chiefs fans is all but cemented.

/endthread

If shouldn't be at all.

If I remember correctly, Jamaal had something like 9 carries for 91 yards and a TD in the playoff game against Baltimore. He was one the only bright spots.

Then he came out and had, what, three runs for about 20 yards against Indy last night? He likely would have had another big game.

Jamaal deserves no heat.

There's the troubling part.

There's no way it affects his legacy. It was clear as day that this was not Jamaal's decision to make, and he was pissed about it. The concussion test was conducted by a person who has no affiliation with the Chiefs. Charles, Reid, Hunt... none of those guys have any say whatsoever on whether Charles can go back into the game.

He's one of the best no doubt, he's my favorite player. All I'm saying is him not being there was the equivilant of Priest Holmes fumbling in the no punt game. We needed Jamaal yesterday if only for the respect that the defense gives him and he could've been a valuable weapon in the 2nd half. Which we needed, but I understand he got hurt and he had no choice but to sit out. It just seems like these types of things always happen to us. 1993 and Montana going down with a concussion in Buffalo, things like that.

Reid is a good coach, he took you from total shit to the playoffs in one year.

They did. Three good friends are Eagles fans. I heard "I told you so" about 20 times last night.


I'm not ready to throw Andy Reid into the street yet. I'd like to see an improved secondary and wide receivers next year. If certain positions are upgraded and the same result happens, the tarnish will be off.

I'm fine and dandy with Andy... but, and I didnt want to have to say it, Sutton needs to go, he doesnt adjust worth a DAMN, we've seen the second half slide ALL year and he seems to lack creativity.

The pressure/sack drought is maddening, theres plenty of talent here to do better... and I'm dead sick of his monkeying around with Powe, barely playing Catapano and refusing to sub guys in to keep the starters fresh.

We can do better than this guy.

I was about to suggest you kill yourself, so good show.

Lol CP is so much more enjoyable with these dramatic overreactions... God I love losing.

fixed yer post

Chiefs should fire Reid if they go 0-4 in preseason in 2014

The only thing that bothers me about Reid is play calling when we are in short yardage situations near the goal line. Going for fg's with less than a yard for a td. He runs wide open O then goes all Herm in the redzone.

I was on that trip about 5:50PM last night - I thought about slitting my wrists and laying in the bathtub, but I chose to finish watching the Chiefs instead.

Reid is good, he's a 1000 times better than Romeo Crennel, Todd Haley and Herm Edwards.

Like Eagles fans ever lost a playoff game in that fashion.

Thats like saying I told you so to them after they lost to NO.

Can't believe his being ruled out due to concussion has some people thinking Charles' legacy will be tarnished. There are some genuinely thick people on this board.

Too early for this.

No tarnish for me. I see a DV era type of improvement on offense coming next year. I find that exciting.

He's now tied with those two for all time playoff wins in KC at 0-1. Let's hope he can outdo them.

I agree. Andy has put his team in the playoffs 10 of 15 years. He is on year one and probably won't have his team assembled until year three. He will give us a chance each year.

I am in awe of the sheer stupidity of this post.

me too.

I can not disagree with the first point anymore.
Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry.

With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game.

But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter.

I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode.

Yep, this one takes the cake, stupidity on a scale seldom seen in the history of mankind. JC didn't have a choice after being hurt. :clap:

should've kept attacking deep, matching score for score. You can control a game that way too - and he actually has the qb to do it for once.

I know he didn't have a choice. I'm not saying it was his fault either. It just is what it is. He got hurt and we'll never know what his impact on the game would've been.

dude, you blamed him like he took himself out the game or something.

JC is a baller - and probably the best all-around back the Chiefs have ever had in my lifetime.

Yes a bit but he took a disaster & made them a playoff team.

That's not what I meant. I'm a big fan of JC, he's obviously our best player. I just think it hurts him in the eyes of some people that he got hurt and went out of the game. I've already heard it on NFL Network today, the "what if JC didn't get hurt".

I play football. I know he didn't purposely get hurt.

well, that doesn't do anything to diminish my opinions of his durability, performance, or passion for the game.

and I couldn't watch any of the postgame last night or pregame today. pissed off that I'm snowed in.

I don't blame Andy for the complete and utter defensive meltdown that cost us the season. He's brought respectability back to the franchise and his offense eventually came around. Now if he decides to keep Sutton going into next season..

Be thankful you didn't watch, it was as painful as the loss. We're pretty much jokes to the rest of the NFL fans across the nation. LOTS of I told you so's.

This.

In the end Andy is responsible for the team's performance but if you think he had any part in our defense giving up a TD on every drive that didn't end in a turnover you're ****ing high.

Sutton $3it the bed and didn't have our guys playing deep enough knowing they had to throw and score quick...

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

I believe it.
nah, we just need to draft an anointed 'future of the position' at qb - or someone with the surname of Manning.

Don't be such an idiot. What the **** was Charles supposed to do? Was he supposed to go into the clubhouse, fire up his flux capacitor, jump back into the past and prevent his head from hitting the turf?

He didn't want to come out of the game. The NFL is scared to death of all of the concussion lawsuits, and they have made the concussion protocol MANDATORY.

The idiocy of some people around here is astounding.

It is not the 80s or 90s anymore, most of the league does not need multiple year rebuilding. You should be able to compete year in year out, tops in 2 years. Unless you are one of those franchises like the Browns or the Chiefs.

hard, hard fact of life.

Hey jackoff.. I'm not saying it was his fault, I understand he couldn't go back in. I'm just telling you what the media has been saying today, mainly NFL Network. They questioned his toughness.

Liar.

You're trying to backtrack from the stupidity of your original post. You said "you have to be there for your team" and "I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii".

You were stupid. At least own it.

Reid is still shining bright for me. There will never be a coach that wouldn't piss you guys off. Even if Landry, Knoll, Walsh, or Lombardi was coaching the Chiefs there would still be major complaints and knit picking. It's the way it rolls in fan bases.

I'm a big dummy.

I think for whatever reason the Chiefs are playoff cursed. Shit like that doesn't happen to other teams.

NFL Network was questioning his toughness?

Yeah, not buying that at any price.

They talked about his impact had he not gotten hurt. They also talked about his torn ACL injury. So in a way.. They did.

I thought there was hope for you as a poster when you admitted that you were a big dummy. But then you negated that when you insisted that the NFL was questioning Jamaal Charles' toughness when it's clear that they weren't.

I guess I'm not worthy of being a "poster" then. Lol.

I'm just telling you how I feel. Charles is a great running back and I do feel he will be tarnished by this injury, especially if the Chiefs don't make it back to the playoffs in the next couple of years. I'm not stupid, I know it's not his fault he got hurt and I know he had no control to go back in. That doesn't change the fact that when we needed him the most, he wasn't there.

Davis averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Feeding him the rock on a predictable basis was going to lead to a lot of 3 and outs. The problem on offense wasn't that we didn't run clock, it is that we didn't score enough points in the 2nd half.

No, the problem on offense is that Reid tried to utilize the short passing game to burn clock rather than continue to attack.

You're a ****ing moron.

Sadly, there's no rule against moronacy.

Ah ****. We scored 44 goddam points. That's more than enough to win a ****ing game. When you are up by 4 ****ing TDs in the second half, you have no business losing...unless your defense shits the bed with corn and peanut filled steaming piles of diarrhea. **** this "defense". That's where the problem was and is.

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The mistake was taking the foot off the pedal. Alex was hot so I figure better to keep passing than try to run without Charles.

You guys are completely missing what I'm saying. I'll just stay off the boards because you guys know it all. It must be nice to know everything there is to know about football.

I love the Chiefs and I love JC. I just feel like once again we got the short end of the stick, when we needed him he wasn't there. In 1993 we needed Joe Montana and he went out with a concussion. In 1995 we needed a kicker, in 1997 we needed a TD call to go our way. In 2003 we needed Priest not to fumble and in 2013 we needed our horse running back and he was hurt.

You guys think I'm bashing JC and I'm not.

Nothing is tarnished. You're the only one that's brought it up. It's not like his bones broke because he's skinny. It's not like he had a mild ankle sprain and didnt tough it out. His head hit the ground hard. It's not like Moeaki getting stung by some mysterious injury . Every single player whose head hits the ground is vulnerable to concussion.

In most years, he is probably cleared to play. This was a complete freak thing that has nothing to do with injury history or toughness.

Too many big plays given up, that was the issue. If Reid has any problem, it is that he hasn't been able to find a great DC since Jim Johnson. But let's not fool ourselves here. They inherited a 2-14 defense with some overrated talent, and it showed once we played some real QBs. We need to draft some talent and people who will play solid and disciplined in the back end...