Derrick Johnson...surprised this hasn't been brought up yet
 

Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but Derrick Johnson seemed to be a total non-factor in the game. I don't recall hearing his name at all. Looked up the stats and saw that he had just 3 tackles.

I know Indy was throwing the ball all over the field, but it would have been nice to see him step up and make some sort of impact and provide some leadership to a defense that sorely needed it.

yeah this is the first we have heard about this...

He was dropping back in pass coverage almost every play.

Not brought up yet?

Wow... This starting to be going full reerun.

Apologies, must have missed it...

He was not used effectively at all.

Wow, some of you guys are a little bitchy. Like we just suffered a painful crushing defeat or something. :)

It would have really sucked to see him blitz to add some pressure up the middle.



It would have really hurt the defense.

DJ showed his age trying to cover marcel reese

If KC wants to spend some FA money, I'm afraid that DJ is where they will find the $$$

And where the hell was Priest when Charles went down???

I hope not but you could be right. DJ peaked last year and took a step back this year in my opinion.

I understand that scheme wipes out DJ's effectiveness when a team stops running.

What I don't understand is why he doesn't seem to be a leader on the field for the defense...

But we really do need a complete thread dedicated to it, right? We should probably also have one about Alex Smith.

I was at the game, but it seemed to me that we were running a soft, prevent style defense most of the 2nd half. I saw Johnson dropping back a lot. I also saw him miss a few tackles in the 2nd half.

This place never ceases to amaze me.

Everyone welcome BlackBob back to the board.

I wonder what Brandon Siler is doing right now.

D.J. had a fine year this year. What are you talking about?

how about the d-line

our starting DEs recorded like 1 ****ing tackle between them

that is sad.

I don't guess you guys realize he actually almost won the game for us?

He destroyed the RB at the goal line putting his helment right onto the ball and caused THE fumble.

As LUCK would have it LUCK picked itup and dove in for the TD.

If we had recovered we'd be playing next weekend.

First, I think Derrick is a good player. Sure he picked a bad time to disappear but the real weaknesses were exploited and he just wasnt able to help.

Second. For a team with as many defensive "Pro-Bowler" as this team has does anyone else feel that maybe some of them are overrated or not necessarily as good as Pro Bowl players of old. Not speaking of Derrick Johnson just the collective group of "Pro-Bowlers" here on Defense.

Maybe im getting old but it seems like the players that were "Pro-Bowlers" back in the 80s- 90s were more deserving of that title then todays guys. I mean, this team has "Pro Bowl" players at every level on D, but against quality opponents when its do or die not one of them can step up and do anything about it. Is it 100% Sutton? or do you feel these guys are decent, but not necessarily well rounded players. Just good at one thing but bad in other areas.

Berry in coverage. :shake:
Tamba with his lone move. :shake: Come on dude your not going to get the holding call, come up with something different.

He disappeared a bit for sure but that'll happen when the other team is down 28 points and passing so effectively against your CBs.

I can't remember anything really bad from him but I do wonder where he was on the fumble that bounced right to Luck. When I saw it pop out I thought for sure DJ would be the guy to fall on it but.. I honestly don't even know where he was on that play.

The Pro-Bowl will be a lot harder for those guys to get into next year.

The "secret" is out. Our defense sucks in a historically bad way.

Berry forced that fumble.

When the opposition is passing practically every down, that will probably be the case.

berry

Don't forget about Kendrick Lewis standing there and watching Luck score with it.

He made it to my 'drop' list in the other thread.

Damn, I could have sworn it was DJ.

I'm glad I didn't call you guys dumbasses this time.

Kendick was going to grab Luck and pull him across the goal line if he didn't make it on his own.

Fire durrik Jonsun!

LMAO

i'm sure it would have been more effective than dropping him into coverage...

Sutton did a shitty,shitty job yesterday.

He let the colts dictate everything and put our defense in the worst possible positions.

they are also suppose to ya know, rush the passer

colts ran it 18 times, not one tackle between them. nothing.

The vacuum between his ears may have been what sucked him across as it is. :D

It's bad enough that he looks like a backwoods hillbilly and he sounds like a reerun. I hate him almost as much as fivehead manning.

Our 3-4 DEs are supposed to eat up blockers, they aren't the problem, I don't think. Indy had 100 yards rushing, but 443 passing.

Our best tackler was in coverage most of the game, right?

I blame the scheme, and lack of secondary coverage. One thing all of the good
QBs that we faced the last 7 games had in common, quick release. They knew where to go and got it done.

Gotta love the fact that he has them required long "wiglocks" hanging over his back though. That means he has arrived, right?

Should have blitzed Jordan, Parker, Berry and DJ the entire 4th quarter.

Wrong.

You mean Lewis? Well I hate Lewis too but I was talking about that tard Andrew Luck.

The Colts schemed DJ out of the game in Week 16 too.

Can you elaborate, or are you above that now? When we were switching to a 3-4, prior to you joining this forum, that is what all the football genius' on this board said. Help me out here.

I wish that tard was a Chief, but now he is going to haunt us for many years to come.

+1.

A lot of the football morons on this board think that the odd front lineman are all about 'eating up blockers'.. which is vastly confused with 'demanding a double team'. We aren't running a 2-gap scheme like Crennel tried, which was read and react. Our lineman are lining up in techniques to attack the gaps, either penetrating or requiring a double team, which is what your really want. Double teamed DL = no OL to second level = free LB's

He is our new 5head Manning, God created him so he could take over where Manning left off.

When John Elway retired we got 5head and now that 5head is getting close to the end of his career we get Andy Luck. We're truly blessed :shake:

As to the bolded part, sadly I believe I've stopped growing vertically. There may indeed come a time in which that changes, however I'm ever doubtful.



Now, to your inquiry. In a 3-4, there are essentially 2 schools of thought. 1-gap vs. 2-gap. You can then break these off into even smaller divisions by segregating from those 2 that prefer man (Wade Phillips/Bob Sutton), those who prefer zone (Crennel/Belichick although he's fairly versatile, Mike Nolan), and those who prefer fire-zones (LeBeau/Capers/Haslett) and those that do it all (Vic Fangio/Pagano/Pettine/Rex/Rob/Marvin Lewis).

Incidentally, the majority of the 2-gap teams play zone.


As to your question to the responsibilities of our DEs in Sutton's 3-4. Since we play a scheme that quite front versatile, the responsibilities change. In our base 3-4 odd (Nose and Ends heads up on the Center and Tackles), we 2-gap or slant. We also run under, over, over-ed, and reduce fronts, which combine typically 2 and 1-gap responsibilities. Therefore, on every down in our base 3-4 personnel, our DEs aren't expected to simply 2-gap or slant and not get upfield.


If you'd like, I can go more in-depth about how this relates to our sub-packages and the personnel groupings we use with it. I hope this was somewhat helpful and can/would include diagrams if you'd like.

I do wish you'd post more.

that's a little over 4 runs per quarter..cmon now.

Thanks, I am not an expert, and never claimed to be, just been watching this team for 45 years. Here is the post, one of many that I was referencing that helped me understand the 3-4 when the switch was being made. There were endless posts about it, but this is the first one I found from a man that I respect his opinion. [/QUOTE]


Yeah, that game vaulted him into infamy, like he wasn't already going to get there anyway.

I am going to have to chew on that a while Sorter, thanks for going to the trouble. Seriously!

Durrrrrrr...

i was hoping for more fire zone concept after our man to man was getting trashed...circa week 9+.

I mean ****, we did it in quite a few games early (Giants, Cowboys).

I just don't ****ing understand what made Sutton go into a shell. I really don't.

Just make Eric Berry a Linebacker. He pretty much already is anyway. . He isnt very good at covering and essentially used like a LB already

htismaqe was right in that 2009 post. The Crennel scheme required ends to do that. Sutton's 3-4, any Ryan-based 3-4, and Phillips-based 3-4, etc. that are one gap don't need the ends to function in that way.

I agree. Dude has, like, 6 posts on this site and I can still tell he knows a shit ton about football.

The obvious explanation on post playoff loss CP is that DJ is on the take and is in on the fix

lol at this thread.