So if you had one more chance
 

To run the last offensive play again would you try a 60 yard FG? It was in a dome. I'm not sure but it's a thought.

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My distrust in Ryan Succop is so great that after years of lurking, my first ever post is used to simply say:

No

At the end with 4th & 11 from the IND 43 with 2:00 left, I'd go for the 11 yards.

But at the end of the 1st half on the Colts 41 with 5 seconds, I would definitely have tried a 58 yd kick. Why the hell not? I don't understand why he didn't try that.

I wondered the same. Sure it was a low percentage kick but there was nothing to lose by trying it.

I didn't get it. No worry about turning it over at the spot since the half would be over. I guess it is possible the FG kick could be returned, but that seems like such a small possibility. There's gotta at least be a 25% chance he makes that kick.

No way.

The probability of completing the pass or getting a pass interference penalty was way higher than making a 60 yard field goal

With only enough time left for 1 more play in the first half. I think Andy's was thinking.
The odds of Succup making that kick & the odds of a Alex completing the hailmary are about the same. So lets go for the hailmary TD instead of the field goal.

I agree with this to

Probably a better chance then a Hail Mary!

This or the 1 yard line TD.

Either way,that ****ing game hurts as bad now as it did Saturday night.

With a name of why not?

...or one of those "pick" plays that Andy had up his sleeve.

58 yard FG indoors vs Hail Mary from 60+ yards out? C'mon...FG has the better chance of success.
Unless you're convinced your kicker has absolutely NO CHANCE

Yeah, I'm still pissed. Been taking out my frustration on dipshits who think that game and the NFL is fixed.

Career long is 54 yards. He's 9 of 17 from 50+ yards. Odds weren't good, even indoors.

The three plays before that is where you might want a do over. Gain 15 yards and you have a make-able FG.

In 1993 the NCAA went above & beyond to see that Charlie Ward & Bobby Bowden got to the Orange bowl to play for the hole ball of wax. This was after Fla-st lost at the end of the year to ND & West Virgina & Nebraska were the only two undefeated teams left standing. ND had more right to that match up then Fla-st. What happened in that game to **** the Huskers?
I will go to my grave saying that game was rigged.
Phantom clip called on a punt return for a TD by Cory Dixon. Then to top it off. The Seminoles fumbled at the 2 yard line,Huskers recovered the ball in the endzone & the refs gave Fla-st a TD anyways. :spock:
Lets not forget the phantom pass interference call at the end of the game to set up Fla-st for the game winning fieldgoal

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The guy badly missed in San Diego. I have no problem with the play call. 5 inches to the damn left.

is 5 seconds long enough to run 2 plays if the first is a 2 step drop with a quick throw to the sideline?

if he doesn't have the distance to make a 58 yarder then not much point in trying. If he can go the distance, I figure it's worth a shot.

I wouldn't have tried a field goal. I would have tried a play designed for Hemmingway in the slot. The problem with that play was relying on Bowe to make a play in my opinion. After the incomplete pass, I kept thinking about the 4th down drop at the end of the Oakland game a few years ago. Bowe is just not clutch and I would have preferred a play designed for someone else. Not only that, the Colts were obviously looking for a play to Bowe because of all the injuries.

The bubble screen play call that got us the IG call was just bad... bad play call in that situation.

Regardless of whatever we should of done, we should, have a kicker that has a leg strong enough to kick a 60 yarder. The fact that he isn't a factor in that situation screams we need a new kicker.

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You go for it on 4th and Goal from the 1.

I wonder what Succops range was. 55 yards?

and how many people can do that? not even realistic.

yup, that's playing to win..kicking the FG is playing not to lose, or the Chiefs SOP.

Welcome aboard Why Not. I too enjoy the repartee in Chiefs Planet. Of course, one must be prepared to be called out for just about anything. I'll start by suggesting that I back into an Aids tree whilst munching on a poison-infested donut.

As per this thread, I agree whole-heartedly, NO SUCKUP.

Worse.

I was in shock on Sat Night - Numb...couldn't feel any pain.

Now I'm pissed off and embarrassed.

Theres a few in th league, not many tho of course. But we should have a kicker whos longest is more than 54 and stats better than 9-17 at 50+ yards. Someone, when it comes to do or die, becomes a factor, a real thought process, when its more than 55. Instead we have someone we can even trust when its 41 yards.

No, you go for it. Even if you make the FG, it leaves too much time on the clock and you just know the Colts would've easily gone downfield and kicked a winning FG.

The only way the Chiefs salvage that game is if Bowe makes that catch and they run the clock down and kick a FG with no time remaining. Even if Bowe had caught it and scored, we would've lost 52-51.

Not with Succop. And it wouldn't have mattered, because Luck would have then had 2 minutes to go win it.

I actually thought we ran a good, aggressive play. And if he comes down with it we run out the clock and kick. But we're the Chiefs, so of course he was going to come down out of bounds...

Nope. Our $50M blocker should have put both feet down in bounds.

If our $50M blocker doesn't drop an easy 3rd down conversion earlier we might have won as well.

Well since we have no athletic WR's... We shoulda taken the field goal.

I would have gone for the TD on the 4th and 1 that we had instead of kicking that FG.

I can recall extra long field goal attempts by Succop getting blocked before. His kickoffs are not the greatest. With the Colts luck Saturday, it would have been run back.

I read the title and was almost ready to bust out an Eminem rap.

If only the world weren't flat and we could kick it from a top the lofty hill that the NFL sits the Colts upon.

Exactly my point. We dont have a good kicker. We cant even trust him from 41 out, much less from 60. We need a kicker, that if push cme to shove, we could at least consider trying a long ass FG

Thanks man. And yes I am prepared to be told to DIAF

ANTI-FREEZE soaked donut, you stupid ****ing cockswallower.

My bad.

You'll learn. :D

Succop ain't Elliot bad. He's somewhat reliable, kicker's miss. Heck, he didn't miss one all day.

There aren't a lot of kickers that you can trust from 60 yards out.

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In the dark prison of our despair, that decision is a really big aggressive guy in the shower.

I think her point for the most part is that there are many K's you would at least say "F it, let's try a long kick". With Succop it's not even considered

Exactly!! Thank you.

With Succop we'd be lucky as hell if he could connect from 53/54. 60? Almost impossible.

Well, Alabama Auburn proved that isn't quite true. If you really don't think he has the leg for it, then it's a real risk.

The field goal protection team is basically two specialists in the holder and kicker, a bunch of fatties to block, and not much else. It's not exactly the guys you'd want on the field to defend a kick return, which is sort of what you'd be dealing with...

You don't need to trust him. You need to think "the odds of a kick from 60 are better than the odds of converting 4th and 11".

But the time left on the clock is also important, as others have pointed out. Leaving the Colts with 2 minutes there isn't likely to end well...

All that said, you guys might look for a really good kicker in the 4th or 5th round of the draft maybe. Guys like that are a very nice bonus for a team that is on the rise. They can affect field position on kickoffs and get the 3 when you need the damn 3.

Succop has been pretty solid over the years. I think you gotta stay with a kicker through the tough times. Blair Walsh was terrible at Georgia in his senior year and look at him now. Succop really only had one bad one all year. I'd bring in some competition but that's about it. You aren't going to find much better.

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I wondered about the reason for not attempting the FG before halftime as well. Perhaps it had something to do with wanting to preserve whatever fragile confidence Succop had reacquired after the problems he had the week before.

But, they're not...

We missed the 4th down completion by 2 or 3 inches. Succop would have missed a near 60 yard FG by a lot more than that.

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