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The Franchise 01-07-2014 01:21 PM

Pest's Offseason Plan
 
*This is not what I expect the Chiefs to do. This is what I would do.

I'll update as I see fit.

First Rough Draft
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Second Rough Draft

Cut:
Dunta Robinson for obvious reasons.
Donnie Avery - Too many drops and only decent when he's running crossing routes or fly routes.

I'd like to trade Chase Daniel but I'm not sure if anyone would want him or if we would want to let him go and roll with Bray and someone else behind Smith. I think Daniel stays for another year.

Extend Berry's contract. Hali and Flowers restructure their deals.


Current list of Chiefs FAs
. Bolded players are given new contracts.
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LT Branden Albert
G Geoff Schwartz
G Jon Asamoah
WR Dexter McCluster
WR Kyle Williams
DE Tyson Jackson
LB Akeem Jordan
LB Frank Zombo

S Kendrick Lewis
DB Husain Abdullah
DB Quintin Demps
LS Thomas Gafford
TE Richard Gordon (RFA)
G Ricky Henry (RFA)
DT Jerrell Powe (RFA)
LB Robert James (ERFA)

Priority #1 this offseason should be getting Schwartz a new deal. It's no surprise that when he earned the starting RG job....that the offensive line played well. He'll only be 28 at the beginning of next season. I would give him a contract in the 3-4 year range. If we can bring Asamoah back with a team friendly deal....awesome. If not...let him walk.

Akeem Jordan and Frank Zombo have played well enough to get contracts. Jordan isn't a Navarro Bowman...but there isn't one available and I don't see Nico Johnson as a LB that's going to step in and run away with the job. Jordan and Johnson can split time next season.

Abdullah is brought back for depth behind Berry and possible playing time at FS.

Free Agency

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Jeremy Maclin - It's been reported that Maclin is aware that he might have to accept a 1 year deal this year because of his current injury and history. The Eagles are going to want to bring back both Maclin and Cooper but one of them is going to leave. I don't see room for both.

Mike Johnson, OT - Depth at OT since Albert is gone.


Draft

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1st round - Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
- There are people on this board that will scream up and down that he won't be here for our pick. Yes, it's possible...but it's also possible that his down year, his injury and his weight gain could cause him to drop. If he shows up and blows up the combine...then he probably won't be here. I think he'll be here with the rise of Ealy and the fact that someone will want to trade up for Clowney. That and the shear number of QBs in the 1st round.

3rd round - Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State - The perfect slot receiver for this offense. Runs all of the routes, good hands and also can return punts if we need him too.

[B]4th round - Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn /B] - This team desperately needs depth behind Houston and Hali. We saw what happens with injuries. Hali is starting to show decline. Bringing in young pass rushers that can give Houston and Hali breathers from time to time....while also grooming them for the future is a must.

5th round - Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma - We don't need starting CBs at this time (Smith, Cooper and Flowers are just fine) but Flowers isn't getting any younger and we need to bring in some depth.

6th round -Tevin McDonald*, S, Eastern Washington - This team ****ing needs safeties. He'll help on STs and provide depth behind Commings. Dude is the younger brother of T.J. McDonald.

6th round - Spencer Long, G, Nebraska - Tore his ACL this season. Damn good guard though. Redshirts his first year....no big deal.

UDFA - George Atkinson III, RB, Notre Dame - Kick returner and 3rd RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield.

The Franchise 01-07-2014 01:21 PM

Rough Draft 1 Depth Chart

QB: Smith, Daniel, Bray
RB: Charles, Davis, Gray
FB: Sherman

WR: Bowe, Tate, Avery, Hemingway, Jenkins, Jones
TE: Ebron, Kelce, Fasano,

LT: Stephenson, Johnson
LG: Allen, Watkins
C: Hudson, Kush
RG: Schwartz, Watkins
RT: Fisher, Johnson

DE: DeVito, Bailey
NT: Poe, Powe
DE: Hood, Catapano

OLB: Hali, Sam
ILB: Jordan, N. Johnson
ILB: Johnson, J.M. Johnson
OLB: Houston, Zombo, Shembo

CB: Smith, Cooper, Flowers, Colvin, Parker
S: Berry, Bailey, Abdullah, Commings, Demps

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR: Davis
PR: Tate

McBeard 01-07-2014 01:37 PM

I like the guys you re-sign. That is a very realistic list. I'd like to re-sign Jackson but I don't think it will happen.

I like Johnson but, I don't like the other free agents you signed but to each their own.

I like Ebron and Bailey but don't know much about the other guys. I still like Pryor the most at safety. He lined up at FS, SS, NB, and LB in that Louisville defense. His primary position was FS but his game is closer to Berry's than Bailey. It's looking like we'd have to take him in the first though... I do like the idea of having both starting safeties with that kind of versatility.

DaKCMan AP 01-07-2014 01:53 PM

Three golden-domers and two Mizzou Tigers?


Psshh....


:D

Sfeihc 01-07-2014 01:54 PM

Pesty, is your first name Homer?

The Franchise 01-07-2014 01:59 PM

Homer for what? Two 6th round picks and a legitimate WR?

The Franchise 01-07-2014 01:59 PM

And T.J. Jones is a whatever pick. Put whoever you want there.

Sfeihc 01-07-2014 02:02 PM

Don't get your Irish lovin' self all knotted up, I do like the Ebron pick.

Sfeihc 01-07-2014 02:03 PM

You can keep Golden's Taint, too.

The Franchise 01-07-2014 02:49 PM

I looked at the available WRs in FA and Tate fits our needs the best.

Eric Decker is going to cost too much.
Maclin is injury prone as hell.
James Jones is 30.


Golden Tate isn't the throw it up to him and let him fight for it type of WR. He'd fit in Reid's offense perfectly. Plus he returns punts.

Sorter 01-07-2014 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10353654)
I looked at the available WRs in FA and Tate fits our needs the best.

Eric Decker is going to cost too much.
Maclin is injury prone as hell.
James Jones is 30.


Golden Tate isn't the throw it up to him and let him fight for it type of WR. He'd fit in Reid's offense perfectly. Plus he returns punts.

Isn't Riley Cooper an URFA

The Franchise 01-07-2014 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10353659)
Isn't Riley Cooper an URFA

I don't think so....no.

Sorter 01-07-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10353669)
I don't think so....no.

Well...





****.

Direckshun 01-07-2014 05:23 PM

Not too bad. I like that it's clear and concise what you're trying to do, and I love that roster.

Some criticisms from my point of view:

Smith and Houston both need to be extended before Berry. We can't trot Houston out there for anything less than $7m next year (my estimation), and Smith will probably need to be around $10m. Berry's contract is unimportant compared to them, other than to clear some cap space -- which I know you're doing. But Smith and Houston will likely eat that capspace up. There's no way we'll have room for Tait or Hood, but one can dream...

We're going to have to hit a homerun in the draft if we want to be Super Bowl contenders, I'm afraid, as well as have Fisher, Kelce, and Commings all pan out.

As for your draft, pretty solid. My biggest criticism is with the idea of moving Berry to FS when he's played at an All Pro level at SS. That's akin to all the True Fans who've begged to move Albert inside from Day One.

RealSNR 01-07-2014 05:28 PM

Is Sam going to be available in the 4th round? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

The Franchise 01-07-2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10353944)
Not too bad. I like that it's clear and concise what you're trying to do, and I love that roster.

Some criticisms from my point of view:

Smith and Houston both need to be extended before Berry. We can't trot Houston out there for anything less than $7m next year (my estimation), and Smith will probably need to be around $10m. Berry's contract is unimportant compared to them, other than to clear some cap space -- which I know you're doing. But Smith and Houston will likely eat that capspace up. There's no way we'll have room for Tait or Hood, but one can dream...

We're going to have to hit a homerun in the draft if we want to be Super Bowl contenders, I'm afraid, as well as have Fisher, Kelce, and Commings all pan out.

As for your draft, pretty solid. My biggest criticism is with the idea of moving Berry to FS when he's played at an All Pro level at SS. That's akin to all the True Fans who've begged to move Albert inside from Day One.

The thing with Houston is that you aren't required to give him a new deal right now. He's not going to be making as less as everyone thinks he is. Under the CBA....all players drafted in the 3-7 round range are given an escalator if they reach certain playing time percentages. Houston has more than surpassed those percentages. So he'll end up getting anywhere from a $1.5 million to $2 million dollar escalator on his deal.

And moving Berry is in no way akin to moving Albert. The cries to move Albert were so we could draft another LT. I'm saying draft a SS and move Berry to better utilize his skills. Like I stated though...it's just what I would do. Not what I expect the Chiefs to do.

McBeard 01-07-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10353966)
The thing with Houston is that you aren't required to give him a new deal right now. He's not going to be making as less as everyone thinks he is. Under the CBA....all players drafted in the 3-7 round range are given an escalator if they reach certain playing time percentages. Houston has more than surpassed those percentages. So he'll end up getting anywhere from a $1.5 million to $2 million dollar escalator on his deal.


Didn't Pioli do something similar with Carr? It seems like we sort of got screwed by that. There was speculation it pissed him off because he didn't get a real deal. After he signed that deal right before training camp it seemed like he was done negotiating. It could back fire. It almost seems like something teams do to players they don't plan keeping long term.

I could be way off here.

Mav 01-07-2014 06:06 PM

Question Sir. You cut gray, specifically cut gray, and he made your depth chart.

I really love this mock.

And yes, Riley Cooper, is an unrestricted free agent by the way.

Kudos on Ebron. We all know how I feel about his ass.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-0...per-nate-allen

The Franchise 01-07-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10354020)
Question Sir. You cut gray, specifically cut gray, and he made your depth chart.

I really love this mock.

And yes, Riley Cooper, is an unrestricted free agent by the way.

Kudos on Ebron. We all know how I feel about his ass.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-0...per-nate-allen

I initially cut Gray and then decided against it....but didn't remove the first part. Nice catch. Thanks.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-07-2014 06:47 PM

I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.

BossChief 01-07-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10354071)
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.

I think most understand that McCluster likely played himself out of our price range for his role on this team. If he can be brought back under 2 million per year, fine...otherwise we need to upgrade our receivers.

I think he will probably get more than that from somebody, though.

BossChief 01-07-2014 07:14 PM

Also, pest weren't you giving me shit about talking up the tight end class the other day as a direction we should take? Something about "what do you do with McGrath? Cut him?...maybe I just misunderstood.

Obviously, I think Ebron would be a phenomenal pick and if he is gone when we pick, there are two other tight ends I'd e ok with selecting at that point.

KCFaninSEA 01-07-2014 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10354071)
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.

For me this has an easy answer. Dexter made 1.4 this year and will want a raise. That is fine but I can't see paying what he will be asking for to a guy whose only real contribution is as a punt returner. I'm not saying anything except this team will need more for the money he will want. I also don't like that Dexter seems to not break tackles.

The Franchise 01-07-2014 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10354108)
Also, pest weren't you giving me shit about talking up the tight end class the other day as a direction we should take? Something about "what do you do with McGrath? Cut him?...maybe I just misunderstood.

Obviously, I think Ebron would be a phenomenal pick and if he is gone when we pick, there are two other tight ends I'd e ok with selecting at that point.

I wasn't talking shit..... more asking what would you do with McGrath. Didn't mean it come off that way. ...my bad.

BossChief 01-07-2014 08:30 PM

As far as McGrath and Fasano go, neither guy is anything special. Fasano was a one step forward, two steps back guy and McGrath is JAG.

I am probably as high on Kelce as anyone on this board (I reported on him while at camp multiple times and the guy looked like a difference maker at the position) ...but not many players that lose their first year to injury ever e one anything special. Hopefully, Kelce becomes an outlier to that.

If we are able to go into the season with Kelce and Ebron/Amaro or Jenkins, the receivers we have are probably good enough.

I know this is gonna seem far fetched, but I think a trio of Kelce-Ebron-McGrath/Fasano would be top 5 in the league as a position group.

Dunerdr 01-07-2014 08:42 PM

Your draft I don't agree with. Your other moves I'd like. But I think we resign Kyle Williams for peanuts on the dollar. Pending health I think he and Jenkins could become contributors in this offense nothing super special but solid depth maybe more. I'd love to see a Tate, Bowe, Avery and a panned out Kelce set with Charles out of the back! I get a chub thinking about this offense with one more legitimate threat.

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA (Post 10354178)
For me this has an easy answer. Dexter made 1.4 this year and will want a raise. That is fine but I can't see paying what he will be asking for to a guy whose only real contribution is as a punt returner. I'm not saying anything except this team will need more for the money he will want. I also don't like that Dexter seems to not break tackles.

What has been surprising is how good Dexter has become before and during the catch. I think he's an okay runner -- better than his critics say, but definitely not the gamechanger some make him out to be. But he has become an excellent route runner and he had the most reliable hands by a mile of our receivers this year. And in most close games at the end of the year, he came out with some big time, difficult catches in really crucial moments.

I don't mind overpaying the guy. Of course, I don't want to break the bank either. Dex is looking good as a hands receiver who is also excellent at returning punts. Even if he gets demoted to #4 WR, he could play a really valuable role for this team.

Easy 6 01-07-2014 09:15 PM

If we're wanting more sack production from the ends, I'm not sure what Hood gives us that Jackson cant.

Hoods best year is 3, Jackson had 4 this year.

Not saying I want to keep Jackson, just saying I want a better pass rush from our ends.

I definitely like the offense to defense ratio in your mock.

Saccopoo 01-07-2014 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10354252)
What has been surprising is how good Dexter has become before and during the catch. I think he's an okay runner -- better than his critics say, but definitely not the gamechanger some make him out to be. But he has become an excellent route runner and he had the most reliable hands by a mile of our receivers this year. And in most close games at the end of the year, he came out with some big time, difficult catches in really crucial moments.

I don't mind overpaying the guy. Of course, I don't want to break the bank either. Dex is looking good as a hands receiver who is also excellent at returning punts. Even if he gets demoted to #4 WR, he could play a really valuable role for this team.

Agree.

His flexibility on offense and special teams provides a lot of options. Those options might not be "A or B", but he can find a spot all over the field. As well, as stated above, he's turned out to be a quality route runner with decent hands.

And I don't think he'll want exorbitant amounts of money.

I also like the concept of Riley Cooper as a free agent. Guy can catch a ball.

Buehler445 01-07-2014 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10354071)
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10354103)
I think most understand that McCluster likely played himself out of our price range for his role on this team. If he can be brought back under 2 million per year, fine...otherwise we need to upgrade our receivers.

I think he will probably get more than that from somebody, though.

Pretty much this. He's going to command more than he's worth IMO.

Hoover 01-07-2014 11:47 PM

With the Packers drafting in front of us there is no way in hell we get Eric Ebron

Mav 01-07-2014 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10354523)
With the Packers drafting in front of us there is no way in hell we get Eric Ebron

They aren't drafting a tight end in the first round.

The need MLB, Safety, Corner.

They have Bostick and Quarless at tight end. A superb blocking tight end in Ryan Taylor.

I have heard some people say that. But, I think that HAHA is more of a lock there, than Ebron.

OldSchool 01-08-2014 03:44 AM

Ziggy Hood has been a bust in Pitt. Would be a big downgrade from Jackson/ Devito.

chiefzilla1501 01-08-2014 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10354303)
Agree.

His flexibility on offense and special teams provides a lot of options. Those options might not be "A or B", but he can find a spot all over the field. As well, as stated above, he's turned out to be a quality route runner with decent hands.

And I don't think he'll want exorbitant amounts of money.

I also like the concept of Riley Cooper as a free agent. Guy can catch a ball.

Do people think Cooper will be available? The Eagles relied on him a lot and despite his early season problems, the Eagles seem to really like him. I like Cooper too. One hesitation I do have is he doesn't solve our speed problem at receiver. Like McCluster, he's more of a possession receiver. It would still be nice to have both a vertical threat and a Welker type in the slot who can truly get the YAC we thought McCluster could get. My dream would be for McCluster to be more of a 4th receiver -- get him the good looks that Chad Hall was getting. Unlike Hall, McCluster will catch the ball.

Mav 01-08-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10354659)
Do people think Cooper will be available? The Eagles relied on him a lot and despite his early season problems, the Eagles seem to really like him. I like Cooper too. One hesitation I do have is he doesn't solve our speed problem at receiver. Like McCluster, he's more of a possession receiver. It would still be nice to have both a vertical threat and a Welker type in the slot who can truly get the YAC we thought McCluster could get. My dream would be for McCluster to be more of a 4th receiver -- get him the good looks that Chad Hall was getting. Unlike Hall, McCluster will catch the ball.

The eagles have to make a choice.

They have to decide of which receiver they are going to keep. Maclin, or Riley.

Cooper solves a huge problem. He runs excellent routes, understands the passing game, and will come cheaper than Maclin who is obviously more talented, although the injuries, and specifically the concussions seem to be mounting.

Maybe Aj Jenkins can fill the speed aspect, as could a tight end.

But, it sure would be nice to have someone like Cooper who is extremely reliable.

Kinda like a joe jurevicius.

Easy 6 01-08-2014 10:52 AM

I have my fingers crossed on Jenkins and Williams, hopefully atleast one of them pans out... my choice would be Jenkins based on his speed.

Mav 01-08-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10355106)
I have my fingers crossed on Jenkins and Williams, hopefully atleast one of them pans out... my choice would be Jenkins based on his speed.

I question Williams. They gave him no run despite the fact that him and Alex Smith had shown Chemistry before.

That shocked me. Especially as you stated, the speed part. Kyle Williams is every bit as fast as Aj Jenkins by the way. Just don't let him do any returns.

Easy 6 01-08-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10355108)
I question Williams. They gave him no run despite the fact that him and Alex Smith had shown Chemistry before.

That shocked me. Especially as you stated, the speed part. Kyle Williams is every bit as fast as Aj Jenkins by the way. Just don't let him do any returns.

Dont recall seeing him play much, but I thought it was the injury that pretty much doomed Williams this year?

Dude was here all of 1-2 weeks before he got hurt, not a good way to start off, thats for sure.

Mav 01-08-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10355113)
Dont recall seeing him play much, but I thought it was the injury that pretty much doomed Williams this year?

Dude was here all of 1-2 weeks before he got hurt, not a good way to start off, thats for sure.

Welllllll, that would explain that. I didn't even know he was injured. Whoops.

Well good. Rehab it up, hit camp, give the Chiefs a deep threat, and quality slot guy.

I like it. Always liked him, except when returning the football. Don't trust him as far as I could throw a dodge ram.

Easy 6 01-08-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10355126)
Welllllll, that would explain that. I didn't even know he was injured. Whoops.

Well good. Rehab it up, hit camp, give the Chiefs a deep threat, and quality slot guy.

I like it. Always liked him, except when returning the football. Don't trust him as far as I could throw a dodge ram.

Either one of those two rounding into form would be a gift, I dare not get my hopes up by wishing both of them would.

Frosty 01-08-2014 11:54 AM

I totally forgot that the Chiefs had picked up Williams. :doh!:

RunKC 01-08-2014 12:45 PM

If the Chiefs don't draft a WR early they are ****ing stupid. It's unreal how many talented WR's are in this class

Saccopoo 01-09-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10355353)
If the Chiefs don't draft a WR early they are ****ing stupid. It's unreal how many talented WR's are in this class

Absolutely.

And I agree with Maverick in that Cooper would solve a huge problem in terms of having a big receiver who has the ability to run excellent routes with good hands.

Pick up Cooper and then draft someone like Odell Beckham, who looks to be damn near textbook in terms of a slot receiver.

Bowe
Cooper
Beckham
McCluster
Avery

That would shore up the position quite nicely.

warrior 01-09-2014 03:08 PM

Really like Beckham the guy is clutch

The Franchise 01-09-2014 03:16 PM

I'll be doing a different one here in the next couple of days. It will only include one ND player so it will probably go over better.

The Franchise 01-10-2014 09:27 PM

Rough Draft 2 Depth Chart

QB: Smith, Daniel, Bray
RB: Charles, Davis, Gray, Atkinson
FB: Sherman
WR: Bowe, Maclin, Cooks, Hemingway, Jenkins
TE: Fasano, Kelce, McGrath

LT: Stephenson, Johnson
LG: Allen, Watkins
C: Hudson, Kush
RG: Schwartz, Watkins
RT: Fisher, Johnson

DE: DeVito, Bailey
NT: Poe, Powe
DE: Tuitt, Catapano

OLB: Hali, Ford
ILB: Jordan, N. Johnson
ILB: Johnson, J.M. Johnson
OLB: Houston, Zombo

CB: Smith, Cooper, Flowers, Colvin, Parker
S: Berry, Abdullah, Commings, McDonald

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR: Atkinson III/Davis
PR: Cooks

The Franchise 01-10-2014 09:31 PM

I lied.....two Domers.

Direckshun 01-10-2014 09:46 PM

Somebody want to explain to me why we ride Sac for being homerish on Utah while we give Pesty a free pass on his Mizzou and ND hard ons?

Not that I give two shits, I love Pesty. I love Sac, too.

Why don't we all just get along, is what I'm trying to say.

The Franchise 01-10-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10360575)
Somebody want to explain to me why we ride Sac for being homerish on Utah while we give Pesty a free pass on his Mizzou and ND hard ons?

Not that I give two shits, I love Pesty. I love Sac, too.

Why don't we all just get along, is what I'm trying to say.

I'm not a fan of Mizzou. My wife goes to college there....but that's pretty much where it ends.

And Sac goes beyond just Utah. It's Mormons and offensive line. And I get a long just fine with Sac.


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