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Deberg_1990 01-19-2014 05:00 PM

If the Colts would have known then what we know now, would they have kept Manning?
 
Considering the last two years he's had....would they have kept him? Should they have?

Who knows, maybe he continues to play at a high level for 2 or 3 more years?

Simply Red 01-19-2014 05:00 PM

You God Damned right they would have!

BlackHelicopters 01-19-2014 05:00 PM

In.

milkman 01-19-2014 05:01 PM

Andrew Luck plays at a high level for the 15-17 years.

You do the math.

GloucesterChief 01-19-2014 05:03 PM

Considering they made the playoffs the last two years with Luck. I would still ditch Manning and his big contract and suck for Luck.

cosmo20002 01-19-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10379324)
Considering the last two years he's had....would they have kept him? Should they have?

Who knows, maybe he continues to play at a high level for 2 or 3 more years?

Probably not, if they knew Luck seemed like a probable star.

Cutting ties with your HOF QB is a decision I'm sure most teams dread, and the injury made it for them. He's had two good years since the surgery, may have a couple more. Versus maybe 10-15 more for Luck? I think they would do it again.

ILChief 01-19-2014 05:06 PM

I guess they could have kept Luck on the bench for a couple of years

Easy 6 01-19-2014 05:09 PM

Heeeeeell NO... that hamfaced Amish looking mfer is a player.

alpha_omega 01-19-2014 05:09 PM

He's hasn't won the SB just yet. Depends on that.

MMXcalibur 01-19-2014 05:10 PM

The Colts "Suck for Luck".
The Chiefs were a "Wisher for Fisher".

Dunerdr 01-19-2014 05:11 PM

No lucks their new manning out with the old Neanderthal qb in with the new caveman.

tk13 01-19-2014 05:13 PM

Doubt it. Luck can be every bit as good as Manning. He's already ahead of where Manning was at his age... Bruce Arians said as much.

It's easy to forget now, but Peyton did not win a playoff game until his 6th season in the NFL. Luck has been twice and won a game in two years.

kcxiv 01-19-2014 05:14 PM

Indy did the right thing. U do what they did 95 out of 100 times hell 100 out of 100

Deberg_1990 01-19-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10379401)
He's already ahead of where Manning was at his age...

This is true, although I don't think his ceiling is as high as Mannings. But not many are as high as that.
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ActiveShooter 01-19-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10379420)
This is true, although I don't think his ceiling is as high as Mannings. But not many are as high as that.
Posted via Mobile Device

I think Happy Feet Manning is the best ever, but Luck 's ceiling is every bit as high as Manning's.

notorious 01-19-2014 05:26 PM

Manning grew up in a harsh NFL that allowed defense.

Obviously Luck is going to start faster. The game is 100% in his favor.

Easy 6 01-19-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10379461)
Manning grew up in a harsh NFL that allowed defense.

Obviously Luck is going to start faster. The game is 100% in his favor.

Thats a damn fair point, but still... Manning for the last 4 years < 10 year future in Luck.

ViperVisor 01-19-2014 05:31 PM

Colts don't have a great supporting cast as it is. If they keep Manning and his 15,000,000 higher than cap number they can't add anything around him.

TY Hilton and Coby Fleener aren't getting it done. Or they keep Reggie Wayne but have to lose Robert Mathis.

notorious 01-19-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10379480)
Thats a damn fair point, but still... Manning for the last 4 years < 10 year future in Luck.

Yep.

MOTHER **** COCK-SUCKING INDY FOR TANKING AND GETTING ANOTHER FRANCHISE QB!

Whew. I feel better now.

FRCDFED 01-19-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10379461)
Manning grew up in a harsh NFL that allowed defense.

Obviously Luck is going to start faster. The game is 100% in his favor.

However, the very reason you attribute Luck's fast start is also the same reason Manning has had success in the last couple of non-defense years.

Manning was coming off of a serious injury AND Indi was unable to field a complete team with Manning's continued rising contract demands. He priced himself out of a job with the Colts.

notorious 01-19-2014 05:34 PM

The Colts are going to salary cap hell when Luck's rookie contract is up.

If you think he doesn't have talent now, just wait.

BigMeatballDave 01-19-2014 05:35 PM

Colts did the right thing.

MahiMike 01-19-2014 05:35 PM

No way. They traded 1 decade player for another.

houstonwhodat 01-19-2014 05:37 PM

Manning's got 1 - 2 years left max.

He wins the Super Bowl he has nothing left to prove.

The opportunity to suck for Luck was too great to pass up.

Isray knew this and it hurt him when he cut Manning.

Luck will win a Super Bowl in the next few years.

ta900 01-19-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10379401)
Doubt it. Luck can be every bit as good as Manning. He's already ahead of where Manning was at his age... Bruce Arians said as much.

It's easy to forget now, but Peyton did not win a playoff game until his 6th season in the NFL. Luck has been twice and won a game in two years.

Huge asterisk on that one win for Luck though, it was against the Chiefs afterall.

milkman 01-19-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ActiveShooter (Post 10379458)
I think Happy Feet Manning is the best ever, but Luck 's ceiling is every bit as high as Manning's.

Johnny Unitas posted incredible numbers in an era when defenses had every advantage.

Dan Marino posted incredible numbers when defense hadn't yet been virtually outlawes.

Those guys in today's NFL.........holy shit!

MAYHEM 01-19-2014 05:53 PM

Luck and the Colts beat Manning and the Broncos this year, so there's that. :D

I think it was the right move now, but the Colts could have traded the #1 for another teams' whole draft for Luck, and built a more competitive team around Manning.

I was annoyed when Manning was cut; I was also annoyed at fans during the 2-14 season holding up signs saying SUCK FOR LUCK, but after two consecutive playoff appearances I feel blessed once again. o:-)

tk13 01-19-2014 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10379420)
This is true, although I don't think his ceiling is as high as Mannings. But not many are as high as that.
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Yeah it is. Luck is maybe the best QB prospect of our generation. He's that good. He's got all of Manning's ability to throw the football/run an offense, and he's more athletic than Manning ever was. Of course potential doesn't get you anywhere... but Luck's is off the charts.

Psyko Tek 01-19-2014 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MAYHEM (Post 10379592)
Luck and the Colts beat Manning and the Broncos this year, so there's that. :D

I think it was the right move now, but the Colts could have traded the #1 for another teams' whole draft for Luck, and built a more competitive team around Manning.

I was annoyed when Manning was cut; I was also annoyed at fans during the 2-14 season holding up signs saying SUCK FOR LUCK, but after two consecutive playoff appearances I feel blessed once again. o:-)

GFY
ponyboy scum

MAYHEM 01-19-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 10379668)
GFY
ponyboy scum

I think I will. Andrew Luck and the Colts also beat Seattle and San Francisco.

So basically we have already beaten the future Super Bowl winners. o:-)

Prison Bitch 01-19-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ActiveShooter (Post 10379458)
I think Happy Feet Manning is the best ever, but Luck 's ceiling is every bit as high as Manning's.

No it's not.

Tribal Warfare 01-19-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10379420)
This is true, although I don't think his ceiling is as high as Mannings. But not many are as high as that.
Posted via Mobile Device

I have to disagree there, Luck has no weaknesses in general( mobile mother****er) while Manning is a pure pocket passer who never really had that great escapability at the same age.

Red Dawg 01-19-2014 06:52 PM

They made the right call. PM is not beating SF or Seattle. Donkey team is too soft to beat either one of those teams.

Saccopoo 01-19-2014 09:51 PM

Not in a million years.

Msmith 01-19-2014 10:06 PM

Put it this way. If the Chiefs had Manning, they would not be a one and done team in playoff.

Deberg_1990 01-19-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Msmith (Post 10381401)
Put it this way. If the Chiefs had Manning, they would not be a one and done team in playoff.

Wrong. Even Manning cant bail out the Chiefs "Career Day" defense 2013

WhiteWhale 01-20-2014 02:30 AM

No.

Luck will be there in 10 years probably leading them to the playoffs and probably having collected a ring or more of his own.

TEX 01-20-2014 05:52 AM

You draft Luck every time if you're in the same situation as the Colts were 2 years ago. Manning is done in 2 years. Luck wont even be in his prime.

ChiliConCarnage 01-20-2014 06:11 AM

I think they'd still do the same thing

BigRock 01-20-2014 07:19 AM

Keeping Manning doesn't mean not drafting Luck. They could have done both. There would have been issues with it, namely all the money tied up in Manning, but supposedly it's what Polian was planning to do until he got canned. Irsay wanted to move on.

Unless you think sitting for a few years could have somehow ruined Luck or that there was absolutely no chance Manning could have gotten them to another Super Bowl, then Irsay's decision to send him packing is definitely open for second guessing.

Cannibal 01-20-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10379401)
Doubt it. Luck can be every bit as good as Manning. He's already ahead of where Manning was at his age... Bruce Arians said as much.

It's easy to forget now, but Peyton did not win a playoff game until his 6th season in the NFL. Luck has been twice and won a game in two years.

Good points.

ThatRaceCardGuy 01-20-2014 07:40 AM

Known what? The NFL would suddenly allow illegal pick plays and his offensive linemen to hold so the NFL PR machine can get as much out of the Manning well before he retired. .you bet your ass they would have.

Hoopsdoc 01-20-2014 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Thatguy (Post 10381961)
Known what? The NFL would suddenly allow illegal pick plays and his offensive linemen to hold so the NFL PR machine can get as much out of the Manning well before he retired. .you bet your ass they would have.

Every team runs some pick plays. It's a fact of life in today's NFL.

As for the Colts making the same decision again, I would certainly hope they would. People forget that, at the time, Manning couldn't throw the ball more than 10 yards. There was no way the Colts were gonn keep him when the odds were so much against him ever playing again, much less playing this well.

They HAD to make the decision they did.

FloridaMan88 01-20-2014 09:33 AM

A big part of Manning's success in Denver is all the talent he has around him.

Remember during his final two seasons (before getting hurt) in Indy, the Colts began getting older in key areas and were barely a playoff team.

Put Manning with the same Colts offense/team that Andrew Luck currently has and he'd do no better than Luck is doing.

ActiveShooter 01-20-2014 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10379534)
Johnny Unitas posted incredible numbers in an era when defenses had every advantage.

Dan Marino posted incredible numbers when defense hadn't yet been virtually outlawes.

Those guys in today's NFL.........holy shit!

Maybe so, but defenses are way more complex today. Defenses blitz a lot more nowadays and disguise their coverages. There's much more for a QB to consider before every snap.

listopencil 01-20-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 10381965)
Every team runs some pick plays. It's a fact of life in today's NFL.

As for the Colts making the same decision again, I would certainly hope they would. People forget that, at the time, Manning couldn't throw the ball more than 10 yards. There was no way the Colts were gonn keep him when the odds were so much against him ever playing again, much less playing this well.

They HAD to make the decision they did.

Josh McDaniels tried to get it going with the Broncos when he was the HC. He was screen-happy and trying to develop these kind of plays. We just never had the skill to pull it off.

Easy 6 01-20-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10379484)
Yep.

MOTHER **** COCK-SUCKING INDY FOR TANKING AND GETTING ANOTHER FRANCHISE QB!

Whew. I feel better now.

I sure cant think of a franchise thats been so lucky in regard to drafting QB's, its unreal.


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