Chances the 49ers are done?
 

I believe Kaepernick is going to want paid, so they're going to have to let a lot of talent walk.

Are they done? What say you?

Jim harbaugh

Wut

I don't think so. Hate Harbaugh all you want but that team is extremely well coached.

Bowman might miss a good chunk of next season though and some players will have to walk for sure. Also, Frank Gore has been a rock for them since, what, 04 or 05? He's, hands down, the most underrated RB of the last 10 years but he's been in the league and took a pounding for a while. We may begin to see a decline in his play very soon.

Bowman probably won't be healthy for a bit. That will hurt. Iupati broke his ankle, that will hurt them if he can't come back healthy.

Their coach is amazing.


Until he has an aneurysm they will always be a contender.

I haven't looked at their roster or what they've got due. All I know is if Kaepernick gets fat paid, some dudes are going to walk.

How long has Frank Gore been playing? I'd be worried about him losing a step soon but other than that I think they will still be competing at high level. They get our 2nd round pick again this year so they still can set themselves up for a long time.

Harbaugh > Reid.

Not even debatable.

Lattimore should be healthy by TC.

Heh. Alex Smith threw 7 picks this season. Kaepernick turned the ball over 3 times int he playoff game, not to mention choking the game away.

/troll

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Kaepernick. He really wasn't good in the playoffs at all, and that team's defense covers up a lot of his warts.

If he doesn't improve as a passer they might fall back to the middle of the pack.

The 9er defense has played at an absolute elite level for 3 years. Thats really hard to continue.

Harbaugh has been winning because of a dominant run game and top 3 defense. Justin Smith's age is going to catch up to him sooner or later, Whitner will be gone, Rogers will be gone, Ray Mac is already slowing down, Gore is slowing down, Boldin will likely be gone as well, etc. Kaepernick is clearly not a QB who can be relied on to carry the team and win and if the 49ers are dumb enough to sink some major money into him, then they are done, lol.

I certainly hope they're done just so their bitch-ass fans and coach can STFU and GTFO.

It really is but they've been hit with some serious injuries, suspensions, and losses to free agency and still plug and play like a Belichick team.

Lose Goldson in FA? Draft Reid and he's one of the best rookies in the draft class.

Sopoaga gets traded? They pick up Glen Dorsey and he has the best year of his career.

Aldon Smith gets suspended? Lemonier (sp?) steps up and plays well.

Pat Willis goes down? Navarro Bowman becomes all-pro.

It really is incredible.

I saw that decline this year... In my opinion, at least

I think it's a done deal. They let Smith go. There is Kaepernick, Colt McCoy, and McLeod Bethel-Thompson. Unless they make a play for a top guy in the draft, I think they're paying him.

Maybe they want to give us 2 seconds for Chase Daniel :evil:

I got nothing

What I'm shocked with is that they will return the same coaching staff that's been to 3 straight NFC title games.

It amazes me that Roman and Fangio get picked over every year.

Yeah, I don't see how they can give him the cheddar he wants with the limited results they've gotten from him...

I don't know anything about their cap situation, but they've been good on defense for a while now, and a lot of those guys aren't young. It's possible they could have to let some people go.

But well run organizations don't seem to need to do rebuilds, they just continually draft talented players and things work out.

The impact Smith has after he starts missing a step on Aldon will be huge...

Aldon Smith's personal troubles are an odd godsend for the 49ers. It will drop his value enough that they may be able to hold on to him. But if Kaepernick wants almost $20 mil, they might want to consider a contingency plan. He hasn't earned anywhere near that, and unless he turns into a top flight QB, that contract will absolutely cripple them.

They will pay Kaepernick.

Either he becomes a good enough passer to win big games, or he fails and they start over.

There's no need to skip right to the fail condition.

Why can't we get their DC to come here to replace Sutton? Money talks pay him HC money and if ego is left at the door then Andy Reid should go with it.

Gunther Cunningham is the only man alive that could keep that defense out of the top five.

Depends on 2 things really. #1 - can Kaepernick become a QB that can carry any team to victory? Right now, he isn't. #2 - can San Francisco find talent for cheap? You never know when that undrafted free agent will come right in and contribute in a big way. There's several throughout the league every year.

Nobody wants to wait until nearly the end of January to select a coach.

I think they will both get their shots, but there's a reason they get passed over. Harbaugh has two guys who are probably better suited to be coordinators than head coaches. Roman especially.

The talent was there prior to Harbaugh getting there. He added Aldon but they had guys. Manusky sucked with that defense too.

Agree

This is the fourth time Vic Fangio has been a DC of an NFL team. He's 55 years old. There's a reason why he's been passed over that many times.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Harbaugh has to reload.

That's the core of my OP. Both them and the Seachickens have a lot of talent to pay in the next couple years. And their QBs are working for peanuts.

Matt Cassel and Thomas Jones thrashed that defense in 2010. It's amazing the turnaround they experienced just a year later.

I really don't like either San Fran or Seattle, but I will say this. There are some built on talent, some built on scheme, some built on fundamentals, and some built on effort. Pretty remarkable when you're able to do all 4.

As unbelievable a coach as Hoodie is, and I often feel this way about Reid too, their defenses have often looked soft and vulnerable. One thing I admire about these two teams is they don't make mistakes and they are extremely active. There are always multiple players around the ball. That's something Marty used to do really well. I remember commenting years ago that Reid's defense did too, when they were coached under Jim Johnson.

Mike Singletary could crash a plane on autopilot if he was sitting in the shitter in coach.

Thats what I remember about his Jim Johnson defenses. They were nasty.

I think alot of the Hoodie's problem is he tries/or has tried to do too much and not let Dcoords do their thing.

Hahahaha.

It also extends to guys like Tomsula, who has been one of the best DL coaches in the league. He should be a coordinator somewhere.

They're well managed from the top down, have a hate for his guts if you want with the HC... but no, I highly doubt the Niners are done, they're pretty much just getting started as a matter of fact.

BUT... even Joe Montana is hip to my, and a great many peoples beliefs... Kaep isnt going to be GREAT until he can be a complete pocket passer and be able to mix in the dynamics when needed... not the other way around.

Running QB's are still a flash in the pan... scheme it up, cook it up however you want... but you'll still get your young guy killed that way.

If you cant drop back and scan the field you're dead in the 60's and dead in 2014 just the same.

Maybe that system is just the perfect fit, personel and coaching.

Those New England teams are completely bereft of defensive talent. It's Jerod Mayo (overrated, BTW), Wilfork, and a bunch of ****ing bums for the last half decade.

Talib is overrated as well, and almost all of their defensive back draft picks (Meriweather, McCourty, Butler) have bombed out.

They tried to patch their holes via FA (Adalius Thomas, countless others) via free agency and failed.

That defense has been extremely gettable for almost ten years.

I agree, but I also don't think they've been coached very well.

It's the same as baseball, man: cost-controlled talent. Eventually, the butcher's bill will come due, and unless they can keep churning out PBers with their first three picks, that defense will decline.

What happens when Iupati wants $60 million and Aldon almost $100?

49ers are not done. Kaepernick has another year of experience, and as long as they have Harbaugh they should be decent to excellent every year.

It's a chickenshit defense scheme. Unless you have incredibly cerebral and athletic players (like a prime Ty Law) or a generational freak like Lawrence Taylor, that bullshit defense is going to get hacked up.

I agree. I was meaning more in terms of the coaching fits IE the DC, DL etc.

I see a lot of that in Seattle's D, and it's fun to watch. It's one of the reasons I was so high on Gus Bradley. I think he's going to build the same kind of team in Jacksonville. Which is funny, because while Carroll is doing fine without Bradley, I still think Bradley stands on his own as head coach material.

Coaches do far more to destroy talent than the alchemy they're lauded for. Give the guys a fundamental base, stop the Greg Robinson shit, and have them attack.

They have the best 3-4 end in football this side of JJ Watt.

If you were to pick the top five LBers in the NFL, the 49ers have three of them, and Ahmad Brooks is a damned good pass rusher in his own right.

It's funny because Fangio received almost G-Rob level contempt when he was in Indianapolis. Now he's considered a great defensive mind. I'm sure all that talent has nothing to do with it.

I don't think the Niners are going away. But it is difficult to sustain this high level of success beyond 3-4 years. Usually even the best teams might have a down year or two and then reload. That still might mean playoff births, but maybe a 1st round loss here and there.

Those Colt defenses early in Manning's career were so, so bad.

The Patriots have been good for a decade plus but they play in a horrible division. Buffalo and Miami have been messes for a decade and a half. The Jets are well the Jets. So when they have been down, they can still win their division.

SF plays in a much harder division with Seattle, a up and coming Arizona team, and St Louis who comes out almost every year and absolutely thumps a good team once or twice.

I don't know. I used to think that, but I think coaching is far more important than given credit for sometimes.

I think it's more about matching talent with the right coaching, which is what the 9ers defense seems to be.

Hamas is right about Fangio, that a guy that gets passed up that many times... probably has some things teams don't think is head coaching material. Roman... the guy strikes me as kind of an X's and O's nerd and his playcalling, while wildly creative, has sometimes been criticized for not being good situational playcalling. That makes me wonder if he'll care about all the soft BS you have to do as a head coach, and if he's fit for all the thinking on your feet that goes with game management. He's one of those guys whose probably cerebral for his own good.

Tomsula... interesting guy to watch. I'm not that familiar with him, but I have a feeling that the hotter candidates for San Fran are not going to be their coordinators, and I think it says a lot that Tomsula is starting to get talked about.

I agree with everything but the bolded. Talib has been having a great season and McCourty was one of the best safeties in the league this year.

All depends on kaep's development.

Their offensive line coach is Mike Solari... who as we all know is a great O-Line coach, but a bit more shaky as a coordinator.

Talib is just a mental headcase.

Meh they still have Dorsey which alone will keep them in SB contention year after year.

They have a bunch of draft picks this year so there is a chance to reload if they lose some players.

I agree. You've got fundamentals coaches who make average players look pretty good. Marty's one of those. You have coaches like Jimmy Johnson and Phil Jackson, who were tremendous motivators (and took an extremely psychological approach to doing it). You've got coaches like Andy Reid, who players just love playing for.

It's not hard to see how important coaching is when you compare even an average coached team to a great coached team. And it's not just X's and O's. It's effort, it's not being sloppy, and it's consistency.

He kept Thomas in check until Wes took him out.

He's a top 3 CB easily.

He's been in the same system for 3 years now and has shown pretty much no growth as a passer at all. Highly doubt that is going to change.

Well if you want to believe the stories that have been leaking out, Harbaugh cough be a Free Agent soon.

Harbaugh's style was a great fit for the team he took over. The O-Line talent was already in place and shouldn't be crowned a god yet. The was the heart of the offense + Gore.

2011 was a perfect storm of everything going right. Schedule, injuries, special teams, crazy comebacks.
Luck crashed and burned in NFC champ game. INTs bouncing off defense, Kyle Williams. The fumble that was but refs blew it.

2012
Ponder was allowed to walk all over the defense.
Smith had his worst home performance in years.
Only 2 loses in the first 8 games.

Smith is dinged and is made 2nd string despite a 100 rating.

Kaepernick was lightning in a bottle + played a string of crap QBs and got lucky
Brees throws 2 pick-sixes
Brady and NE turn the ball over 4 times

Playoffs we remember Kaepernick started with a terrible pick-six. GB muffed a punt. Played some of the worst defense ever seen.
ATL choked away a win.
Super Bowl was too many FGs and the last 4 plays was young QB failing.

2013
Gameplan for week 1 was perfect. The #1 reads were running wipe open and Boldin was making great grabs all over.

Kepernick was too often crap. A few nice games.

What was supposed to be a scary schedule was mediocre.
Houston
Washington
Atlanta

Combined for 35 Wins in 2012. They were all crap teams this season.


And now his 1 big imprint on the team. Kaepernick is running great but Quarterbacking like barf.
Near the bottom in completion % while not in the top 10 in drops and today aside Boldin himself has boosted that low % by himself with about a dozen circus catches this season.

2011 was a freebie.

But 12 and 13 were possibly squandered due to a young and inexperienced QB playing like one.

That about sums it up. He really reminds me of Webb and Jackson before the league realized that they were actually mediocre QBs.

All the BS about how great the 49ers weapons are from the likes of douchey morons like Colin Cowherd.

This fact seems crazy to me.

The last 11 games the 49ers played, the team failed to put up more than 27 points*.

*minus the special teams TD when TB fumbled a kickoff return
*minus the pix-six Matt Ryan threw

lol. Yeah, Reids teams know nothing about choking.

:D

Note the /troll

I know, the butthurt from 2 weeks ago, still pains me! lol

They draft well so they'll continue to be good...

Let dudes walk? "No problem," say the 49ers... we've got extra picks in the draft to fill those holes.

Don't know about that one. Patrick Peterson, Sherman, Revis, Haden, Webb. They are all in the conversation. Josh Gordon absolutely shredded Talib.

They have Lattimore, tank carridine, Chris Culliver, ian Williams all gonna be healthy next year. They aren't going any where

Replacing Justin Smith? Anquan Boldin? Yeah, that'll be easy to do.

Justin Smith? He's signed through next season

Whenever someone says "not even debatable" it is almost always debatable.