"The way it looks now back-up Geoff Schwartz ... will likely sign elsewhere."
 

So says the guy who runs draftinsider.net, Tony Pauline, talking to people all week at the Combine:

He's also reporting the rumor that the Raiders want to try to re-sign McFadden, but they are unlikely to pull it off.

This is bad, folks. Real bad.

We can plug the holes at nearly every position we have a departing veteran at, but it gets a lot harder at guard if we lose both Asamoah and Schwartz. We only have six draft picks, and now you have to think that the Chiefs will be considering OL with the 1st round pick.

Ugh.

I suppose this also raises the flag for Rishaw Johnson, who looked excellent against the Chargers. And for folks like BossChief, it also raises the flag for Hudson at guard with Kush taking over starting center duties.

But let's face the facts here: Schwartz is an excellent guard that we could have for relative peanuts.

Well, that pretty much blows all of the discussion here out of the water. Pretty much everybody had Schwartz pencilled in as the starter.

This is super bad news.

Well....... ****.

Agreed.

How they go about plugging that hole is anybody's guess.

However, we are going to be destroying in compensatory picks next year if we try to find an in-house or Draft solution for Schwartz.

Albert (surefire 3rd)
Jackson (4th)
McCluster (5th-6th)
Asamoah (6th-7th)
Abdullah (6th-7th)
Schwartz?? (5th-7th)

OL in the first round ROFL ROFL

This.

Why on earth would he leave? He has a home with the Chiefs, and it seemed like he'd pretty much beaten Asamoah out for the starting job.

$

1.23

I don't quite understand why...

We should tag and trade Albert if possible

The one piece of good news on that front is that there is not a clear cut guard that would be excellent at 1.23.

Oh, shit. Except for Zack Martin.

Fuuuuuuck me.

That ****ing sucks. I hope it's not true.

The Chiefs have some money to spend. If they let nearly all their free agents go to other teams except for cheap-o ones like Demps or Jordan, they've got some money they can still spend. And that's even if they try to extend Smith and Berry.

They would be wise to spend SOME of that, hopefully along the offensive line where longterm consistency is more important than it is at other position groups.

If we have to settle for Asamoah, I guess that's what we'll do. But damn, Schwartz would have been nice to keep.

:facepalm:

What are the top 10-15 contracts for guards? Numbers-wise? I'm not expecting us to give him Levitre money, but I'd be willing to shell some dough out to keep Schwartz here long-term.

Better than ****ing away more draft picks in the first 3 rounds at the ****ing offensive line.

Xavier Su'a-Filo is coming out this year, right?

You'd have to consider him an option for the Chiefs now at 1.23, too.

Shrug.

Schwartz just says he wants a multi-year deal.

3 years, $8m would lock him up, you'd think. We'll have to see what he gets if/when he does sign elsewhere.

Maybe he was told that Branden Albert is moving to guard.

And I should admit that I'm just saying that to rile people up.

Disappointing ... i guess we are going to let Rinshaw Johnson and Rokevious Watkins fight it out for RG

lots of competition along the Oline next year

Damn.

They benched Asamoah. They're almost certainly going to try to find an in house option or bring one in through the Draft.

Are you just making up names? That can't be a real name. X's, apostrohes, dashes...come on.

I've had a feeling it could go this way for a couple of weeks now. Just seeing how FA is shaping up some team will show him more $ than the CHIEFS can.

Wouldn't even be close. Johnson was dominant against the Chargers, and Watkins got his shit pushed in.

As BossChief would tell you, the REAL competition here is between Johnson and Kush.

He's part Klingon.

Oh please let this be smoke and mirrors from the Schwartz camp....

this sucks the big schwartz

If he does leave, may the schwartz be with him

You reference Bosschief a lot, like that's supposed to mean something.

No offense meant to BC but why the **** would his opinion decide anything?

why would Johnson and Kush be competing? I haven't heard anything about Kush moving from center. Maybe Kush winning the center job and pushing Hudson out to compete at guard.

Let the hate flow through you.

Just giving credit where it's due. BossChief's been on the "move Hudson to guard and start Kush at center" train longer than seemingly everyone.

Hudson would be fine at either center or guard -- the question is, who's better at their position, Johnson at RG, or Eric Kush at C?

My hope is that they'll resolve the issue that way instead of spending a high draft pick or spending money in FA.

If we're going to let our best guard walk, then gimme that compensatory pick.

2014 base salaries for guards:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/guard/

I know these don't tell the whole story about the kind of contracts the players are signing, but they're an indicator of the average.

Direckshun threw out a 3 years 8 million figure. Plus the signing bonus, that'd average out to 3-3.5 million a year for Schwartz. That puts him in the range of Louis Vasquez, Dan Connolly, Todd Herremans, Chris Chester, TJ Lang, and Donald Thomas (22-17)

I don't know about everyone else, but with the market as it is and the way Schwartz played once he took over for Asamoah full-time, I'd be willing to do that and more.

In this case, I'm all in favor of throwing money at the problem instead of draft picks. Keep Rishaw Johnson and Rok Watkins hungry for Jeff Allen's job. Mix competition with chemistry. It's about time we fixed the offensive line once and for all.

Losing Albert and Schwartz in the same offseason? Talk about a huge, gaping leadership void.

****, I want to make a joke about Jews and money sooooooo bad right now

LMAO

That is not funny.

LMAO

fair enough



I don't want to lose Schwartz but i don't think it's the end of the word. I think we have some talent to move around. If Kush wins the center job then Hudson can play guard. That backup looked really good against the Chargers and he might step up. Looked like he had decent power. If both things happen them maybe Allen gets bumped to swing tackle.

Oh, okay. That makes a lot of sense.

Yet another hole develops. Because Chiefs.

Yeah, I re-watched that Chargers game like four times.

Rishaw Johnson looked like a seasoned pro. Dominated his guy most of the game.

Chiefs were incredibly smart to take that Chargers game and try out their backups.

leadership is a big loss

Yeah. :/

Honestly, this Chiefs team needs leadership as much (if not more) than they need any particular position.

Fact: great leadership makes everybody play better. A void of leadership makes everybody play worse (see: the Matt Cassel years).

Albert and Schwartz are not "great" leaders, but their absence does create a void.

I'm sorry, but losing a guard who has been on the roster for literally less than a calendar year is not going to create a massive leadership void.

Two facts:

1. The Chiefs have zero leadership on offense outside of Alex Smith, Branden Albert and Schwartz.

2. Geoff Schwartz was incredibly popular and outspoken in the locker room.

I like you, dude. I really like your posts. But neither of those are facts.

They are impressions. Subjective ones.

I wish Jamaal Charles were a vocal individual. It's the only drawback against him. That his personality is the silent mercenary type.

If he got on everybody's asses to work the way he does... damn.

I feel you but he leads by example better than anyone on the roster.

There's almost no leadership on the team. Guys like DJ were no where to be found for interviews after the last Denver game this year. Only Dunta Robinson displayed any sort of fire on the sideline over the course of the whole season.

And you disagree with them?

And doing interviews is what makes a leader?...

He's the most veteran member of the defense, if not the whole franchise, and he got the **** out of Dodge to avoid talking to the press about a pretty bad home loss to a division rival.

That tells me all I need to know about the leadership for the team: there isn't any.

Leader:

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There's little question Winston was the alpha male on that OL when he was here.

Just a huge vacuum of guys willing to step up and be the man.

Doesn't help that we brought in a very low key, laissez faire QB.

I neither agree nor disagree. I have absolutely no idea how the remaining three starting offensive linemen felt about Schwartz. Did they really perform better because they were "led" by him? Did he really inspire them to better play? Are they going to suffer because a guy who was on the bench for 9 games isn't there to lead them?

I honestly can't tell you for sure, but I doubt it.

Dude signed a one year contract, started seven games, and is a free agent. I'm not sure this is quite the devastating scenario that it's being made out to be.

Or maybe it is. We went from 2-14 to 11-5. But I'm pretty sure the biggest leadership boost on offense came from Alex Smith, not a backup guard.

Okay, I think we just have wildly different interpretations of the leadership situation on the team.

Well, most everyone has already said it in one fashion or another, but...i agree, i don't like this at all.

Do it :fire:

FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

I guess he should have just whined and got butthurt before storming off like Payed-a-Ton?...

horrible news. gawd damnit. hope they can work a deal out.

also feel bad for Jamaal. sucks to spend your prime years running behind a bum o line. I couldn't imagine how well he would have done with an o line like priest had with Jamaal in his prime years.

Yeah he's definitely no Tim Tebow! I'll take a leader like Alex Smith anytime.

Say hello to your new Kansas City Chief!
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LMAO

It tells me that goosestepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!

I kid.

Actually, it tells me the guy didn't feel like talking to a ****ing reporter. Big deal. Last I checked, he isn't supposed to be leading the reporters.

Surely the Chiefs brass can draft some good lineman!

:facepalm:

He's the purported leader of the defense. The defensive effort in the last Denver game and in the playoff loss was terrible. Generally, a player has to be accountable for such bad play leading to a loss. Why didn't he? Because he's not a leader.

Hell, Derrick Johnson showed more passion for the game in the freaking Pro Bowl by headshotting his own teammate in order to win that extra bonus money for getting MVP. Where the **** was that kind of desire in the latter half of the season?

And before all of you minions point out that DJ's role in the 3-4 wipes him out of making plays, then it's probably time to question whether or not he's worth the contract he's playing on then. You can't tell me that there isn't some FA off the street who couldn't step in and immediately replace him in the lineup.

These two posts seem in contradiction of each other. First you say we could have Schwartz for relative peanuts and then when somebody asks why Shwartz would leave you say $. Fact is that if he is as well thought of around the league as this guy is saying, somebody is going to throw a fairly substantial contract at him. With the way the Chiefs are in relation to the cap, spending heavily on a guard would not be wise. I'd rather resign Asomoah (sp) for a lower contract and let the guys we have fight it out for starting positions along the line. Let the best 5 lineman play.

Dorsey isn't drafting an offensive lineman in Rd. 1. Everybody can get that thought out of their heads now. There is enough young talent on the roster to field an effective offensive line and Dorsey isn't going to draft a guard in the first round with as much talent is available in this draft.

Asamoah sucks. There are plenty of guards in this draft that can do just as good or better than him. He was horrible last season, after many believed he was an up n coming ascending player in the league.

The sky is always falling. I'll be worried when free agency starts. Does no one remember the day before free agency opened last year?

So when a team game plans to keep him in coverage, what is he supposed to do?

And give me the names of the street FAs that can come in and be all pros. I'll wait.
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This. SO does Allen.

I bet they will. Both Dorsey and Reid KNOW first hand how important quality depth on the O-line is. IF they lose him, I'm confident the Chiefs will find a quality replacement.

DJ wasn't completely useless in the Indy playoff game. Those guys couldn't run the ball for shit and that was due in large part to the defensive like and DJ..

It's not hard to throw the ball away from an ILB though. Once they abandoned the run, it pretty much took him out of the game.

This guy must be a great leader. He talked to reporters.

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well, we could move Hudson to guard and start Kush.

You're over-dramatic.

He was horrible the 2nd half of last season.

If any of the articles online are to believed he was fighting injuries...

Chill out people. This is the time of year when GM's and coaches aren't very truthful. Reports like this come out every year. Everything will work itself out

Who the **** is Tony Pauline?
Why should we put any stock in anything he has to say?

i called Schwartz getting overpaid on the open market and got bashed for it because people here thought we were going to keep him for cheap. It was so obvious his play at guard was being noticed by teams with even shittier olines and a lot of cap space.