Kiper Mock
 

1 Houston Texans- Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
2 St. Louis Rams- Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
3 Jacksonville Jaguars- Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
4 Cleveland Browns- Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
5 Oakland Raiders- Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
6 Atlanta Falcons- Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
8 Minnesota Vikings- Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
9 Buffalo Bills- Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
10 Detroit Lions- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
11 Tennessee Titans- Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
12 New York Giants -Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
13 St. Louis Rams- Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
14 Chicago Bears- Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers- Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma St.
16 Dallas Cowboys- Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St.
17 Baltimore Ravens- Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon St.
18 New York Jets- Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
19 Miami Dolphins- Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
20 Arizona Cardinals- Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan St.
21 Green Bay Packers- C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
22 Philadelphia Eagles- Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

23 Kansas City Chiefs- Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Analysis: The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014 if they stay healthy, but there's still uncertainty on the offensive side of the ball, and while you can question the ceiling of Alex Smith at this point in his career, the Chiefs feel they can win with him and also won't be finding a better solution at this stage in the draft. But they can find Smith some help, and that's Lee, who brings a lot of refinement as a route runner and the ability to turn a short catch into a big play. And if he goes this low, the chip on his shoulder could also help.

24 Cincinnati Bengals- Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio St.
25 San Diego Chargers- Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio St.
26 Cleveland Browns- Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St.
27 New Orleans Saints- Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn
28 Carolina Panthers- Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
29 New England Patriots- Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
30 San Francisco 49ers- Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
31 Denver Broncos- Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin
32 Seattle Seahawks- Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014"

...they are? They got their shit pushed in for 1/2 of the season, and embarrassed in the playoffs.

It take Kiper 9 weeks to get his hair just right, so he didn't see anything past midseason.

And **** the Eagles if they take Pryor one pick before us.

Cooks and Beckham at 16 and 17.....****.

I'd rather have Matthews.

Mathews and/or Moncrief.

I'll be screaming fro the Chiefs to trade back this season unless there's some sort of surprise.

Same. I trust his work ethic and drive more than any other receiver in this draft. Plus Matthews just has a higher ceiling.

Mack 1st overall? My god.

That whole mock is just a big bucket of ****.

Lets see:::: Berry, Johnson, Flowers,Poe, Hali and Houston. Yep I do believe half our defense were probowlers.

Coaching was our ****ing problem. We have a solid defense.

We were just missing either 1 good slot guy or a solid and instinctive FS.

Either one of those would have stopped the damn bleeding against the fracking Colts and Broncos.

We sure did change that...Oh wait.

Mack's agent must have given Kiper a few gallons of hair gel. Or maybe $10,000.

LMAO
....I wish I could see Kiper Sr.

I was approaching from the perspective of the "Defense" as a whole; players, coaches, scheme etc. No doubt we have some killer parts, but the coaching killed us for sure.

I think Kiper is smoking some funky shit if he thinks the Texans are taking a LB from a small school #1 overall in the draft. :p

Okay, a little sarcasm there in reference to our pick last season but still, really? QB,QB,QB. There has got to be one of those guys there you like. You don't convince me otherwise.

Also, just for dream sakes here. But if I were a GM with two top 10 picks in this years draft I'd take Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans and not even lose sleep over it.

I don't think that would be a shocker.

In fact, I'm expecting it. (Ravens and Jets.)

Same, I wouldn't be shocked if as many as 5 WRs went before us.

I'm really surprised at the back lash over khalil mack. I love this kid.

kiper 4.0

23 - Marqise Lee- Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)

Analysis: The Chiefs are a team I could see moving down, particularly since wide receiver is a need area. The Chiefs don't have their second-round pick due to the Alex Smith trade, and it's a deep draft at receiver. However, in this case I think they'd be walking away with a pretty nice fit in Lee, a player with the route-running and run-after-catch ability that could make him a great fit in this offense.

24 - Bradley Roby - CB - Cincinnati Bengals
25 - Anthony Barr - OLB - San Diego Chargers
26 - Kyle Fuller - CB - Cleveland Browns
27 - Cody Latimer - WR - New Orleans Saints
28 - Morgan Moses - OT - Carolina Panthers
29 - Ra'Shede Hageman - DT - New England Patriots
30 - Jordan Matthews - WR - San Francisco 49ers
31 - Jason Verrett - CB - Denver Broncos
32 - Stephon Tuitt - DE - Seattle Seahawks
(33.) Houston Texans | *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
(34.) Washington Redskins | Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
(35.) Cleveland Browns | *Davante Adams, WR, Fresno St
(36.) Oakland Raiders | *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St.
(37.) Atlanta Falcons | Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
(38.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi St.
(39.) Jacksonville Jaguars | Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
(40.) Minnesota Vikings | Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU
(41.) Buffalo Bills | *Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise St.
(42.) Tennessee Titans | Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
(43.) New York Giants | *Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
(44.) St. Louis Rams | Jimmie Ward, S, No. Illinois
(45.) Detroit Lions | Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
(46.) Pittsburgh Steelers | *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame

The frak? Barr at 25? If we don't take him and he's available at 23, I'm going to start kicking kittens and punching babies.

The reason the D stunk at the end Houston was out. All we need is to get one more quality pass rusher backup in case Hali or Houston get hurt again

We also need Hali's replacement as he is in his 30s now and I don't think that he team intends to keep him beyond the 2015 season.

Barr or Attaochu would be great in that role.

Not sure Barr makes it to is Attaochu would be good. I don't think our D is as bad as some think. Personally adding Owens and Walker were huge upgrades. I'm more worried bout the O

The offense put up 44 points without Charles. I think they'll be fine if they can get the OL figured out because Reid's system is designed to succeed with even just average perimeter threats as long as the blocking holds up.

With all due respect, the colts D is atrocious.



You left out the most important part of the quote..

"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014 if they stay healthy"

We got our shit pushed in when H/H were hurt and got 0 pressure rushing 4.

They're the same defense that gave Manning a hard time for much of their game vs the Broncos. Same defense that helped them beat several playoff caliber teams in the regular season.

I think we are gonna be a lot better than most think we are O line worries me but maybe they want to give the youngsters a chance.

They did not seem 100%, which is why we saw almost no man press with 2 high.

I would want Kareem Martin over Anthony Barr

Yes, let's pass on one of the top 3 3-4 OLB prospects for a 4-3 DE rated as a 2nd to 3rd round talent.:clap:

interesting you have no problem drafting barr when he is as raw as Hageman.

Hageman switched from playing TE

As for Kareem Martin, he is as athletic as Barr with better measurables.
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:clap:

I have no problem with Barr because he was actually one of the most productive pass rushers in a tougher conference in college. Barr is also 22 years old whereas Hageman is going to be 24 years old as a rookie. Nice try though.

Kareem Martin is a 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 OLB. He also had nowhere near the same level of production in college as Barr did.ROFL

tougher conference than whom, and judging by how? Barr played in the Pac-12; Martin ACC ; Hageman Big-10

you keep bring up age. why does it matter? rookie contracts are 4 yrs with a 5th yr option. That would put Barr at most at 27yrs old and Hageman at most at 29yrs old.

citation needed.

https://i.imgur.com/8lSj6Qd.png

do you even research before posting? Time and time again you say stuff and I prove it wrong. Aren't you embarrassed? I am embarrassed for you.
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I keep asking you dumbasses to tell me what exactly would you have Sutton do?

I don't give a rat's ass about Sutton, so this has no agenda.

The overall lack of talent at safety and ILB, no pass rush option at DE, lack of depth at OLB, and a vet corner who historically struggles in zone, and a rookie with only a couple of years of college experience at the position, and the overall lack of versatility limits adjustments.

So tell me, just what should he have done?

Everyone is a dumbass... lol...

Anyway, what I saw was a lack of creativity in blitz schemes, and this was also a problem with Crennel. Every team in the NFL knows Hali is coming every play and Justin Houston is coming most of the time. The ILBs and safeties rarely blitz. A 3-4 wasn't designed to be this way, but the Chiefs throw the same shit at a team week after week hoping it somehow works. I'd like to see more variation where and when the blitzes come. I want to see both OLBs dropping into coverage with some regularity, not one less than half the time. I want to see both ILBs being blitzed at various times. I want to see overload blitzes, etc. The best pressure, the quickest pressure, comes up the middle. The Chiefs have to do more to disrupt quarterbacks up the middle, yet they don't. I don't give anyone a pass in the organization by saying the pieces weren't there.

As for coverage, I don't think there is much the Chiefs could have done a whole lot differently. What I think is more the problem is that teams don't have to guess where pressure is coming from versus where the coverage areas will be. They know where pressure is coming from and they know what areas will be open, and that is the problem in a nutshell. On top of that, the entire secondary aside from Berry played pretty shitty last year, that doesn't help anything.

Mack at #1 ??? LMAO

Is this tool trying to hype up his ESPN movie "Draft Day"?

If Houston doesn't draft Manziel or Clowney, someone's getting fired.

Creativity requires talent and versatility from the positions that you are asking Sutton to be more creative with.

Hali is a liability in coverage, which is why you send him after the QB more than half the time.

Jordan was a liability in coverage, which is why he was sitting on the sidelines and Berry was in the box as a hybrid LB in subpackages on more than half the snaps.

And blitzing is far more effective when at least one of your DEs can create pressure.

Even when he did blitz DJ or Berry, the lack of any pressure from the DL made it far to easy for the blitz to be picled up.

I don't know how effective Sutton is, or can be, as a DC.
And I won't know until we fix those positions.

Rotate the DL and front 7 a little more to get some fresh legs on the field.

Added my replies in red.

10 Detroit Lions- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

Wow-Lions would be pretty much unstoppable in the passing game. Wish the Chiefs could move up and take this guy-he is going to be a Touch Down machine.

I don't call recognition of limitations, and working within those limitations, fear, but that's just me.

I thought Sutton opened up with an inspired game plan against the Colts, with Abdullah in the box and Berry being allowed to roam more.

But once the Colts adjusted, those limitations bit us in the ass.

Only 3 players on this defense have any real versatility.

Question for you milk...

You know that Hali and Jordan can't cover shit if it was stuck to them... so....

If I need to make a play on defense, you'd expect that I'll rush Hali, likely rush Houston, and keep Jordan at home. That seems logical and well within the scope of limitations.

What do you think would happen if I rushed Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry while I dropped Hali, Houston, and Jordan into coverage?

My bets are, the line is completely unsuspecting and it will result in heavy QB pressure immediately, if not a sack. Curious your take. Now I don't expect this 2, 3, or 10 times a game and maybe not every game.

What if I rushed Jordan and Houston, but rotated Berry to cover LOLB flat, DJ to MLB, and Hali dropped to cover ROLB flat?

See what I'm getting at. You don't have to put non-coverage players into coverage situations often, but if you mix them up at the right times in the right mix, you can create some things. You can at least try some things. I didn't see enough of that from Sutton. I think he was bound by the limitations rather than trying to overcome the limitations by selectively pushing beyond those limitations.

But this all feeds into one of my draft rules: Don't draft LBs that can't cover. :)

He did that in season, and it worked well a couple times, but got burned after those first couple times..

Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.

Not so fast, my friend. Their O-Line last season was surprisingly good.

Larry Warford destroyed dudes last year and Riley Reiff was pretty solid in his first season starting at LT (especially considering the murderers row of sack artists he faced last season).

In fact, quite the contrary to popular opinion, the Lions offensive line was the second best in the NFL in terms of fewest sacks given up (a mere 23 for the entire season).

And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.

And yet Stafford still couldn't win enough games to make it into the playoffs over the Packers and Bears who were both missing their starting QBs for a large part of the season. He's one of the most overrated QBs in this league. All the weapons in the world that a QB could ask for, a good OL, and still can't score enough points to lead his team to victory.

Stafford is the Champion of the Fantasy Football QB age; tons of yards for lots of fantasy points, but is actually a pretty bad QB who can't win anything.

We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.

Absolutely agree.

Stafford has all the weapons in the world? Megatron and who else? Burleson? Titus Young? Ryan Broyles?

lol you think these reerun "analysts" actually watch our games?

There is a particularly large amount of Lions ignorance in this thread.

Kiper 5.0
23: Marqise Lee Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) COLLEGE: USC Class: Jr HT: 5-11 WT: 192 POS: WR Analysis: Given their needs and the depth in this draft, I could see the Chiefs moving down if they can add a pick or two. They don't have one in Round 2 thanks to (the success of) the Alex Smith trade. However, if they stay put, they could use a receiver who can help immediately -- K.C. really is a "win-now" team on the personnel side despite a huge leap in 2013 -- and Lee comes in as a possible steal, given his uneven junior season after he'd firmly established his value for evaluators.

24: Kony Ealy Cincinnati Bengals
25: Anthony Barr San Diego Chargers
26: Kyle Fuller Cleveland Browns
27: Cody Latimer New Orleans Saints
28: Morgan Moses Carolina Panthers
29: Ra'Shede Hageman New England Patriots
30: Jordan Matthews San Francisco 49ers
31: Jason Verrett Denver Broncos
32: Stephon Tuitt Seattle Seahawks

I wouldn't be disappointed with Lee.

However, I think I'd rather have Moncrief all things considered, if they were going wide receiver at that point.

Bigger, faster, more explosive, younger...I don't think that there is a single thing that Lee does that Moncrief doesn't do better, plus he's got the much higher ceiling due to his two year younger age difference and his substantially bigger size and speed.

I'm still a little befuddled why Moncrief isn't showing up more as a potential Chiefs pick on some of these drafturbator lists. He's got as much upside as any receiver in this draft including Watkins and Evans. In fact, I think that he's going to end up the best receiver out of this draft class. (Take that Jordan Matthews fans.)

I just found a little 2014 WR draft class sweet 16 battle. This one actually features Moncrief vs. Lee. (No one picked Lee. Moncrief in a landslide.)

http://rotoviz.com/index.php/2014/03...onte-moncrief/

Aaron Donald.

Do you seriously think that Donald will be there at #23 anyway?

Regardless if he fits the system or not, he'll be long gone by the time the Chiefs pick.

Was just answering his question.

I think Donald could play the 3 tech in the 34 and be just as good as Richardson in NY.

Likely scenario for Chiefs fans: We trade out of 23, Raiders trade up and draft Donald.


Chiefs draft Carlos Hyde.





Why? Because Odin hates the Chiefs.

http://college-social.com/content/up...onthatface.gif

I think that's asking a whole hell of a lot from a 6'1", 285 lb. dude, even a dude with Donald's speed.

A 43 undertackle three tech DT is going to be where he makes his money.

I know you like the guy and all, but, honestly bro, I think he gonna get raped as a 34 five tech.

**** you Sorter.

I just spit apple juice all over my keyboard.

First off, I wouldn't have him play the 5 tech.

Second, you're seriously underestimating the guys strength. He's not all quickness and mirrors.

Great, let's spend a first rounder on a guy who really didn't have anything over a guy we got last year in Catapano and what we have on the roster in Bailey - two guys who are playing the exact same novelty pass rush end option on third down situations.

Well, the same guy with the exception of three inches in height and 20 lbs. of body weight.

Both Big Cat and Bailey are strong like bull, fast and are bigger than Donald.

I know it's all hypothetical, but don't you think that something like the ILB (DJ and a cast of nobodies), OG (Jeff Allen and who knows what) or WR (mother ****ing Donnie Avery is our #2 - think about that...Donnie Avery is our #2) would be a more, um, productive pick than a third down defensive line specialist that will be the third guy on the roster in that position?

It takes a special kind of stupid to compare mike catapano to Aaron Donald.

Donald would play every down. He's not scheme dependent.

Bailey and catapano aren't in the same universe as Aaron's Donald in anything related to football.

O you should be concentrating on all those Dallas picks in the CP Mock. You have everybody's dream with 6 picks in the same round.

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kiper final mock

23. USC WR Marqise Lee