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007 03-27-2014 07:41 PM

Question for the DD-WRT experts
 
I'm having a problem with excess bandwidth and can't figure out where it is coming from. My Buffalo router had a really good bandwidth monitor but it is only a one size fits all overall usage monitor. I need something that will monitor usage on each individual device. Are there any add ons for DDWRT that will do this? I'm not really having any luck finding anything that will do this.

digger 03-27-2014 07:44 PM

http://www.whoisonmywifi.com/

007 03-27-2014 07:51 PM

I did find this but I have no idea how to install it to my router.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtop...er=asc&start=0

007 03-27-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 10521425)

I have mac filtering set up so people can't logon to my wifi without me putting their Mac address in my router first.

SLAG 03-27-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10521446)
I have mac filtering set up so people can't logon to my wifi without me putting their Mac address in my router first.

How many devices do you have?

Can you disconnect them all and then reconnect one at a time and watch the bandwidth?

Saulbadguy 03-27-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10521446)
I have mac filtering set up so people can't logon to my wifi without me putting their Mac address in my router first.

No need for that just use WPA2.

007 03-27-2014 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SLAG (Post 10521635)
How many devices do you have?

Can you disconnect them all and then reconnect one at a time and watch the bandwidth?

too many really.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 10521643)
No need for that just use WPA2.

I already do.

htismaqe 03-28-2014 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10521446)
I have mac filtering set up so people can't logon to my wifi without me putting their Mac address in my router first.

MAC address filtering is useless. You'd be better off just turning it off.

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MAC filtering: This is like handing a security guard a pad of paper with a list of names. Then when someone comes up to the door and wants entry, the security guard looks at the person's name tag and compares it to his list of names and determines whether to open the door or not. Do you see a problem here? All someone needs to do is watch an authorized person go in and forge a name tag with that person's name. The comparison to a wireless LAN here is that the name tag is the MAC address. The MAC address is just a 12 digit long HEX number that can be viewed in clear text with a sniffer. A sniffer to a hacker is like a hammer to a carpenter except the sniffer is free. Once the MAC address is seen in the clear, it takes about 10 seconds to cut-paste a legitimate MAC address in to the wireless Ethernet adapter settings and the whole scheme is defeated. MAC filtering is absolutely worthless since it is one of the easiest schemes to attack. The shocking thing is that so many large organizations still waste the time to implement these things. The bottom line is, MAC filtering takes the most effort to manage with zero ROI (return on investment) in terms of security gain.

htismaqe 03-28-2014 08:20 AM

Your best bet is to use a sniffer. Get a cheap ethernet hub and insert it on the WAN side of your router and just capture all the traffic.

Ragged Robin 03-28-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SLAG (Post 10521635)
How many devices do you have?

Can you disconnect them all and then reconnect one at a time and watch the bandwidth?

This. Someone's probably throttling the bandwidth with torrent uploads or skype streams or something.

htismaqe 03-28-2014 09:01 AM

If you're going to do the "disconnect and reconnect" thing, your best bet is to change the WPA2 pre-shared key and then reboot the router.

You'll disconnect everything and nothing can get back on until you re-enter the key. That will help you account for wireless intruders or neighbors that are stealing your internet and it will also account for devices that you might have otherwise forgotten (I have over 50 wireless devices on my network so yes, you can forget sometimes).

TheUte 03-28-2014 10:49 AM

Here is some good info - http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php...tflow_and_ntop

htismaqe 03-28-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10522728)

That would certainly work. But then he'd have to setup a server and everything...

DaveNull 03-28-2014 01:03 PM

Switch to the Tomato firmware.

htismaqe 03-28-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 10523451)
Switch to the Tomato firmware.

I don't think Tomato does top talkers either, does it?

DaveNull 03-28-2014 02:18 PM

I'm fairly certain it does. I ran it on my 54G for a few years until it burned out. I think it even did things like restricting hours of access for certain devices but I might be imagining that.

I replaced it with an Airport Extreme and haven't looked back.

htismaqe 03-28-2014 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 10523757)
I'm fairly certain it does. I ran it on my 54G for a few years until it burned out. I think it even did things like restricting hours of access for certain devices but I might be imagining that.

I replaced it with an Airport Extreme and haven't looked back.

Yeah, a lot of firmwares can do access restrictions by device (the stock Netgear can do that).

Not a lot of them do top talkers without enabling netflow or something similar, which actually requires an external server for data repository.

007 03-28-2014 04:03 PM

Damnit I give up. I set my router to disallow all traffic from midnight to 4pm. Woke up and zero activity. It is now 5pm and and 1gb gone. WTF

htismaqe 03-28-2014 04:06 PM

Why would you give up before you've even started to solve the problem? :thumb:

007 03-28-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10524217)
Why would you give up before you've even started to solve the problem? :thumb:

I've been researching and tweaking things since last weekend. I'm ****ing frustrated.

Saulbadguy 03-28-2014 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524198)
Damnit I give up. I set my router to disallow all traffic from midnight to 4pm. Woke up and zero activity. It is now 5pm and and 1gb gone. WTF


PORN.

htismaqe 03-28-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524324)
I've been researching and tweaking things since last weekend. I'm ****ing frustrated.

Change the WPA2 PSK, reboot the router, and start reconnecting devices one by one.

It's your only option at this point unless you want to do one of the other more technical solutions here.

Or you could just continue to watch your bandwidth disappear...

Saulbadguy 03-28-2014 04:29 PM

Where are you getting the bandwidth activity from?

007 03-28-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 10524342)
Where are you getting the bandwidth activity from?

Thats what I can't figure out. I can't nail this down per device without turning everything off and doing them all one at a time for an hour or so. I'm about ready to confiscate every ones mobile device for a day and see what happens.

If you are referring to my internet provider it is Cox. But my router confirms their information daily so I don't think its a problem on their end.

007 03-28-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10524341)
Change the WPA2 PSK, reboot the router, and start reconnecting devices one by one.

It's your only option at this point unless you want to do one of the other more technical solutions here.

Or you could just continue to watch your bandwidth disappear...

I've done all of that other than the one by one option. Not looking forward to that as the entire family will whine all day.

Saulbadguy 03-28-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524349)
Thats what I can't figure out. I can't nail this down per device without turning everything off and doing them all one at a time for an hour or so. I'm about ready to confiscate every ones mobile device for a day and see what happens.

If you are referring to my internet provider it is Cox. But my router confirms their information daily so I don't think its a problem on their end.

What I was asking was...is Cox showing 1GB of usage between 4 and 5 PM today, or your router, or both?

htismaqe 03-28-2014 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524356)
I've done all of that other than the one by one option. Not looking forward to that as the entire family will whine all day.

Tell them to get the **** off Facebook and go outside. :D

007 03-28-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 10524369)
What I was asking was...is Cox showing 1GB of usage between 4 and 5 PM today, or your router, or both?

Technically neither does that. The only reason I knew it was between 4 and 5 today is because I shut the internet down all day while I slept.

007 03-28-2014 05:02 PM

My router gives me up to date bandwith info for the day. I can't compare it to cox until tomorrow when they release my daily stats for today. But they have matched all week.

007 03-28-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10524377)
Tell them to get the **** off Facebook and go outside. :D

There is no way facebook is the culprit. Yes, I know that was a joke.

Ragged Robin 03-28-2014 07:29 PM

Maybe someone is bitcoin mining off of yr shit ROFL

007 03-28-2014 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10524907)
Maybe someone is bitcoin mining off of yr **** ROFL

I don't even know WTF that even means.

DaveNull 03-28-2014 07:46 PM

stupid question. why do you care? are you on some kind of metered plan?

007 03-28-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 10524969)
stupid question. why do you care? are you on some kind of metered plan?

yep. 250gb per month. Because of this leak we surpassed it last month. At this point Cox doesn't do anything about it but someday they will.

Ragged Robin 03-28-2014 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524996)
yep. 250gb per month. Because of this leak we surpassed it last month. At this point Cox doesn't do anything about it but someday they will.

lolwat. I assume that's 250gb upload?

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524946)
I don't even know WTF that even means.

Lot of zombie exploits out there install processes on network devices so that it takes up a bunch of resources to mine bitcoins and send the information back to their server. This is more with CPU resources on the device as opposed to uploading though.

007 03-28-2014 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10525021)
lolwat. I assume that's 250gb upload?



Lot of zombie exploits out there install processes on network devices so that it takes up a bunch of resources to mine bitcoins and send the information back to their server. This is more with CPU resources on the device as opposed to uploading though.

250gb download.

Ragged Robin 03-28-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10525085)
250gb download.

Woah. Doodwat. That sucks ROFL

Saulbadguy 03-28-2014 09:06 PM

Yep. Virus.

007 03-28-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 10525187)
Yep. Virus.

:cuss:ROFL

007 03-28-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10525185)
Woah. Doodwat. That sucks ROFL

thats the standard in my city unless you fork over $100 per month for internet.

DaveNull 03-28-2014 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10525085)
250gb download.

wow. screw that.

Here's some more info on tomato. One way to approach it would be to just turn off the internet for everything during those times when you aren't around.

If you're feeling more aggressive (this is your network..you can do what you want locally) then just keep an eye on the real time bandwidth monitoring. When the traffic spikes, fire up wireshark and figure out what's going on.

If you're feeling even more randy, break out Driftnet and if they're looking at pictures or movies, you will too.

Honestly it's hard to tell what your comfort level is with some of this stuff, but if you're smart enough to be using DD-WRT then you're clever enough to figure out how to get Wireshark and/or driftnet going.

007 03-28-2014 09:42 PM

I'm already shutting down the internet when I am gone at night and during the weekdays until 4pm. But I wasn't seeing a lot of traffic during those hours anyway because the kids are sleeping or in school. I'm trying to nail down which device is taking all the bandwidth without just confiscating all of them.

Ragged Robin 03-28-2014 09:48 PM

Blame your kids and Netflix :D

DaveNull 03-28-2014 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10525307)
I'm already shutting down the internet when I am gone at night and during the weekdays until 4pm. But I wasn't seeing a lot of traffic during those hours anyway because the kids are sleeping or in school. I'm trying to nail down which device is taking all the bandwidth without just confiscating all of them.

Then I'd get familiar with how to use Wireshark.

Or move. Google Fiber's great.

007 03-28-2014 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10525325)
Blame your kids and Netflix :D

I'm starting to think Youtube may be the problem on my daughters tablet. I have to monitor it for a couple days and check the stats on the tablet and see. If my suspicion is correct, I'll have to make a rule on the router to block youtube on her device.

007 03-28-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 10525343)
Then I'd get familiar with how to use Wireshark.

Or move. Google Fiber's great.

We should have had google fiber but renaming our city to Google,, Ks just wasn't enough for those pricks so they chose KC.

DaveNull 03-28-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10525344)
If my suspicion is correct, I'll have to make a rule on the router to block youtube on her device.

That will go over well.

007 03-28-2014 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 10525349)
That will go over well.

:D It won't be a complete shut down. Just a limited time frame.

I just hope this is actually waht it is because if it isn't then I'm back to square one.

007 03-29-2014 05:45 PM

Well ****. now the router is bricked. I can't find any fixes on the net that work even though they reportedly work.

It is a Buffalo airstation n600 WZR600DHP

HELP

htismaqe 03-29-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10526803)
Well ****. now the router is bricked. I can't find any fixes on the net that work even though they reportedly work.

It is a Buffalo airstation n600 WZR600DHP

HELP

What the hell did you do?

Have you tried a 30/30/30 reset?

007 03-29-2014 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10526877)
What the hell did you do?


Have you tried a 30/30/30 reset?

30/30/30 reset didn't do anything. tried it twice.
Decided to try the Gargoyle firmware that everything on their website stated it was safe for my router. I found several successful installs in their forums. boom bricked. I have found 3 options to fix and can't get them to work. Of course, one of them requires Linux to fix which isn't an option for me. Another needs me to use a terminal and the terminals I am using are not connecting to it. the DD WRT website is crashed today too so I don't even have that as a resource.

Beyond ticked off since so many installed it just fine on this router. Just my damn luck I would be the odd one out.

today has been complete bad luck for me. not only this but got a jury duty notice for pool 4 so I am guaranteed to get called unless I can delay it.

TheUte 03-30-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10526925)
30/30/30 reset didn't do anything. tried it twice.
Decided to try the Gargoyle firmware that everything on their website stated it was safe for my router. I found several successful installs in their forums. boom bricked. I have found 3 options to fix and can't get them to work. Of course, one of them requires Linux to fix which isn't an option for me. Another needs me to use a terminal and the terminals I am using are not connecting to it. the DD WRT website is crashed today too so I don't even have that as a resource.

Beyond ticked off since so many installed it just fine on this router. Just my damn luck I would be the odd one out.

today has been complete bad luck for me. not only this but got a jury duty notice for pool 4 so I am guaranteed to get called unless I can delay it.

I know it's not the same model, but here is a link for a recovery.
http://g300nh.blogspot.com/2010/06/f...-recovery.html

007 03-30-2014 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10527869)
I know it's not the same model, but here is a link for a recovery.
http://g300nh.blogspot.com/2010/06/f...-recovery.html

thanks. I have already tried that one and a few others. Nothing seems to work. Contacted Buffalo and am sending it in for Warranty replacement. Hopefully they won't work on it to be able to determine I farted around with the firmware and just send me the replacement. Otherwise I am stuck with that damn Belkin with a crap firmware. Good router but you cannot track anything on it.

htismaqe 03-31-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10526925)
Of course, one of them requires Linux to fix which isn't an option for me.

You can run Linux on any PC using a Live CD.

007 03-31-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10529228)
You can run Linux on any PC using a Live CD.

Not on mine. I've tried several flavors on USB and DVD. My laptop seems to block them as it always locks up on bootup.

htismaqe 03-31-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10530316)
Not on mine. I've tried several flavors on USB and DVD. My laptop seems to block them as it always locks up on bootup.

Wow, man. Talk about a confluence of bad luck...

ragedogg69 03-31-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10524996)
yep. 250gb per month. Because of this leak we surpassed it last month. At this point Cox doesn't do anything about it but someday they will.

cox wont do anything until you go past 2 TB up and down. Then they started messing with my modem. Problems went away the next billing cycle. Their official statement is they do not punish you for excessive bandwidth. They are full of shit. Only one cox employee admitted to me that they disable heavy bandwidth users. It is automated.

007 03-31-2014 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10530729)
Wow, man. Talk about a confluence of bad luck...

LMAO yeah, next laptop gets linux no matter what. I pretty much only use them for web surfing anyway. Suppose I should stay away from HP though since this one has never let me install Linux on it.

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Originally Posted by ragedogg69 (Post 10530851)
cox wont do anything until you go past 2 TB up and down. Then they started messing with my modem. Problems went away the next billing cycle. Their official statement is they do not punish you for excessive bandwidth. They are full of ****. Only one cox employee admitted to me that they disable heavy bandwidth users. It is automated.

Well then I never have to worry about it. I'll never hit 2TB. At least not for about 5-10 years.

TheUte 04-01-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10531353)
LMAO yeah, next laptop gets linux no matter what. I pretty much only use them for web surfing anyway. Suppose I should stay away from HP though since this one has never let me install Linux on it.

It's probably an AHCI error, some of the distros changed the AHCI drivers and it has a bug.

You could try changing the controller Mode in the bios to IDE, but a Warning it that could hose your Windows install.

htismaqe 04-01-2014 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10532513)
It's probably an AHCI error, some of the distros changed the AHCI drivers and it has a bug.

You could try changing the controller Mode in the bios to IDE, but a Warning it that could hose your Windows install.

Wonder if he could install VirtualBox and do it that way?

TheUte 04-01-2014 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10532666)
Wonder if he could install VirtualBox and do it that way?

Damn, I forgot to mention that, Great idea.

Could do virtual PC or Vmware server or Vmware player.

You can even install Hyper-v on Windows 8.1.

DaveNull 04-02-2014 05:26 PM

VirtualBox is pretty slick. I had some issues getting Kali running with a dynamically sized disc, but considering the capacity I've got in this new machine that shouldn't be a problem for a little while.

htismaqe 04-02-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 10535520)
VirtualBox is pretty slick. I had some issues getting Kali running with a dynamically sized disc, but considering the capacity I've got in this new machine that shouldn't be a problem for a little while.

Yeah, I love it. Very easy to configure and use.

DaveNull 04-03-2014 08:14 AM

I still use VMWare Fusion for Windows 7 virtualization though. It's ability to access my full Boot Camp Windows drive is just great.

007 04-03-2014 04:51 PM

I'm going to try a warranty replacement first. If they disalllow then I will try this again.

007 04-14-2014 04:01 PM

Well the good news is that they sent me a brand new router. The bad news is that they upgraded me to a new router that doesn't use DDWRT so now I have no monitoring control at all.

Fish 04-14-2014 04:39 PM

You're like the tech version of MTG#10.

NewChief 04-14-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10562594)
You're like the tech version of MTG#10.

ROFL

htismaqe 04-14-2014 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10562594)
You're like the tech version of MTG#10.

Ouch.

htismaqe 04-14-2014 06:14 PM

On a side note, I'm tempted to install DD-WRT on my new Netgear R7000. The stock firmware has some "issues".

007 04-14-2014 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10562594)
You're like the tech version of MTG#10.

Or the Hamas and consoles.

007 04-15-2014 05:13 PM

LMAO the new routers wifi is faulty so now they are going to send me another replacement. This time they are going to send me back the duplicate to the one I actually sent in so I will have my DDWRT back.

htismaqe 04-15-2014 06:28 PM

Wow dude. You're like the KC Chiefs of wifi routers...

DaveNull 04-15-2014 06:34 PM

It's like leading off the ball game with a bunt. Maybe this time it'll work.

007 04-16-2014 01:26 AM

LMAO No doubt

007 04-18-2014 10:01 AM

Would anyone like to purchase a brand new never opened BUFFALO AirStation HighPower N600 Gigabit Simultaneous Dual Band Router (WZR-600DHP2).

They are just sending me the exact same router again instead of the original DHP with DDWRT citing that they no longer manufacture that model and have no refurbs.

Since it doesn't have the DDWRT firmware and I have already had a bad experience with this model, I really will have no use for this router. My out of warranty Belkin will work just fine for that now. Sounds like it arrives Monday.

Supposedly corporate is going to call me to discuss if I have any further options aka refund or next model up, but I don't have high hopes on either.

htismaqe 04-18-2014 10:04 AM

Dude, I've been working with Netgear for a week with what appears to be an ARP issue in the R7000.

I've tried 3 different firmwares, done all of the troubleshooting, and even taken packet captures with Wireshark and they don't have any means for me to send them the files.

Their support site only supports 10MB attachments and they don't have an externally facing FTP server.

They actually asked me to install Teamserver, which is remote control/emeeting software so they could download the files directly from my PC.

I ended having to setup an FTP server. Unbelieveable that I've basically done 100% of the work in an effort for them to fix these issues.

007 04-18-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10571082)
Dude, I've been working with Netgear for a week with what appears to be an ARP issue in the R7000.

I've tried 3 different firmwares, done all of the troubleshooting, and even taken packet captures with Wireshark and they don't have any means for me to send them the files.

Their support site only supports 10MB attachments and they don't have an externally facing FTP server.

They actually asked me to install Teamserver, which is remote control/emeeting software so they could download the files directly from my PC.

I ended having to setup an FTP server. Unbelieveable that I've basically done 100% of the work in an effort for them to fix these issues.

Seriously? wow, just wow!!!

htismaqe 04-18-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10571116)
Seriously? wow, just wow!!!

I've used Netgear for many years and beta tested several products, including some that actually made it to the market with improvements based on my and others feedback.

They've been really good to me over the years but I'm getting REALLY frustrated with them. I didn't sign up for a beta test when I paid $200 for this router. I'm not new to the game, I know that things don't ever work out of the box but this thing has significant issues with basic functions that should never fail...

007 04-18-2014 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10571225)
I've used Netgear for many years and beta tested several products, including some that actually made it to the market with improvements based on my and others feedback.

They've been really good to me over the years but I'm getting REALLY frustrated with them. I didn't sign up for a beta test when I paid $200 for this router. I'm not new to the game, I know that things don't ever work out of the box but this thing has significant issues with basic functions that should never fail...

Holy crap. $200 for a router? What does it do?


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