MEDIA REACTIONS: Chiefs Early Draft Losers on NFLN
 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...y-draft-grades

Welp.. ROFL

Not going to buy into it one bit, its easy to label the chiefs as losers when you only get 1 pick in the first 80 picks.

I say this every year....but how can you grade a draft immediately after its finished?

These things are pointless at this juncture.

#SaveOurChiefsAgain!!!1111

To be honest we didn't have an exciting draft. Media wants sexy picks, we didn't get one. Murray was the talk of our draft and he's a fifth rounder. Can't gloat too much over that.

Yep... Less than 24 hours after the draft is over, let's make pointless evaluations about a bunch of players who haven't even visited their respective stadiums yet. The NFL Draft is the gift and the curse.

Can't disagree...

Agreed they haven't even played 1 down in preseason yet it's just stupid to grade them now

Yep. It's simple math. Any draft where you're short as many picks as we were, it's going to be tough.

Personally, I thought they did well with what they had. I especially like the first 2 picks.

It's the instant gratification culture of the society we live in.

It's fun to grade them now. It's up to the players coaches and GMs and scouts to prove everybody wrong or right.

I think that is the point of it?

There's a lot that goes into wining beyond selection. Didn't the turnaround last year prove that already?

The draft is over and Avery or Hemmingway are still the projected starting WR opposite Bowe.

That is a big part of why the Chiefs draft is getting bad reviews.

The team's biggest need and they did nothing to address it.

I'd say one season doesn't make it a turn around. We went to the playoffs one year with Matt Casshole & the next year the bottom fell out.

I don't expect them to improve on what we did last year this year, but get past this year and move on drafting a top quarterback and have this draft with a year behind it is going pay off in the long run. That is my hope.

No one gives a shit.

Clearly since none of our rookies contributed much...

We're hardly ever draft winners. Our GM's always think they're smarter than everybody else.

Perhaps this time, our GM actually IS smarter than everyone else.

This draft was about replacing bloated contracts. It's as simple as that. The cuts next year are going to be many......Hali, Flowers, Daniel, Fasano, DeVito.....

Yup.

They can BS all they want about BAP but the truth is that every pick was to replace someone who was too expensive to keep or will be next year...

Well, we have to re-sign Houston, Berry, and Smith.

The more I think about it, Scott Pioli really left this team in a ****ing mess.

Bowe and his contract says hello.

ROFL

Yep. People want to give Dorsey shit for that Bowe contract but what the **** was he supposed to do? Trade for Smith and then have him throw to Avery and McCluster as his top 2? He ****ed up on Albert....I'm not giving him a pass for that.

He meant "every pick was to replace someone who was too expensive to keep, because of Scott Pioli"

That's the name of the game in the NFL to be honest. ABR. Always Be Replacing. Always

Well, I can't give him a pass on Bowe either. 2.5 years of guaranteed base salary is highway robbery.

But what does he do? Franchise and then lose Albert to FA? His back was against the wall and he made the only choice he could....other than signing Albert. IIt's whatever now and Bowe is probably gone after next year as well.

No doubt about it.

We got about 3 solid starters out of Pioli...

There are ways to structure a contract without guaranteeing that much base salary. Unfortunately, they gave him a pretty large signing bonus too.

It's almost like they really thought Bowe was THAT important. Kind of scary when you wonder what they'll do with Smith.

I really do think they might give him $20M per or something equally crazy.

Albert should have had a contract before Dorsey got here.

Hopefully they understand how truly ****ed that would make our cap.

Oh well. I hope Eric Fisher turns out to be John Alt. I'm done ****ing worrying about it.

I really liked this draft and it changed my mind a little bit about what they did last year.

Pioli's problem in the draft is he always wanted to pick these ****ing guys out of the air in hopes that the legacy of his genius would grow. The only one that was a lock was Berry and we got lucky on Poe.

I'm with you.

I don't think they got lucky on Poe. They were just willing to take that risk. When you look back on it, there just aren't many guys with his physical profile. They don't come around very often. But many of those guys are blue chippers out of high school and don't end up half-assing around at Memphis.

I gotta give them credit for Poe, it was like the 180 opposite of Tyson ****ing Jackson...

Judging by your posts today, I'd say you probably jizzed in your pants when you saw that article.

As others have stated, articles like this are meaningless.

Heh, I should dig up some of the overreactions, knee jerks and oversights from our past drafts around here. You can see how accurate the resident geniuses around here have been.

Eh, it's the same every year. Some love the draft, some hate it, some want to wait and see...everybody argues.

When we think it's a good draft everyone's happy sure it's a playoff year.
When we think it's a horrible draft everyone talks about how you can't judge a draft for years...

The draft that CP likes as a whole is the time I really start to get nervous.

I think we all realize you can't really judge a draft for years.

But this is the only nfl we get right now, so people want to discuss their opinions.

This.

You know you're hard up for some NFL action when you endure 3 days listening to Mel Kiper talk.

I liked this draft too. It felt like a solid draft. I like the Ford, Thomas and Murray picks. The Canadian guy sounds interesting too.

Where do people think Rosenthal is wrong? Here's his list:

Rough free agency

Ford - nice long term gamble, but should be a PTPer at first

Gaines - developmental prospect

Thomas - wild card

Seeming dearth of immediate impact players from draft

OL and WR still major questions

By grading the draft right after its over.

That's a bullshit answer. He made specific points. Where was he wrong with them?

Nowhere.

People aren't grading the careers of players - they're grading how a team drafted. The process, what they did with picks, etc...

While I'm not a huge fan of this draft at all, does anybody really think we're a team on the verge of winning it all? With our lack of action in free agency and with the competition this year we're probably not going too far regardless of who we drafted.

So in that case, who cares if we don't have immediate impact players? If they turn in to excellent players a year or two from now then it will have been worth it.

My only wish is that we could have traded Brandon Flowers.

I'm not convinced the Chiefs front office thinks wr is a glaring need. I agree that our Oline is scary and the draft didn't do much to help in the short term.

can you say the Chiefs are the losers of the 2013 draft yet? Or do you need another year of bad tackle play and the rest on the injury report not contributing to believe it?

Our defense was total $#it the last 6 weeks of the season.

The only difference this year will be a 3rd round CB that is a $#itty tackler and a rotational pass rusher.

Some people may think that's enough - I don't.

And what's worse is our free agent approach + ignoring it in the draft tells me we probably won't be adding much even with the cuts to come...

Is this a serious question? Do you honestly think you can write that draft off after 1 year?

if you wrote the 2009 draft off after year 1, you'd still be right even if you waited to write it off after year 5.

The timing of when you write a draft off doesn't matter. If they suck from day 1 they are going to suck in year 5. That's just the way the NFL is.

So because it worked in 2009, it always works. Yeah, no.

Every team lost 2013.
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and before you counter with, "that's a stupid way to look at it." take our 3 only good impact players that we got after 5 years of drafting. You could tell from day 1 that Berry, Poe and Houston were going to be good players, from day 1 to their 5th year in the league, it doesn't matter. Can you honestly say that about anyone we picked from 2009 to 2013 besides those 3?

it works for 2010, 2011 and 2012 as well

What was the grade on Jamaal Charles after his rookie year?

The more I think about this draft the more sense it makes. We could have gone all in to compete next year, but we would have ****ed ourselves long term with the cap, and it probably would have been for naught anyway because the schedule is going to be so tough. Drafting for 2015 is probably the smartest thing we could do. This team has spent most of the past 20 years plugging holes, desperately trying to stay within spitting distance of 9 wins and a wild card. It's pointless.

The truth that accompanies a Draft as risky as this one is that people on both sides of the fence are salivating to either be right or wrong about Dorsey. His BPA seems to defy most others', so he is definitely putting himself out there to be judged. Which one will it be: right or wrong? Time will tell, but I respect a man sticking to his guns.

I'd include Hudson as a good player. Definitely a lot of upside.

And Poe I'm not sold on yet. In two years he's played 6-8 good games...

BPA is a GM's way of saying they're going to draft whomever the hell they want, even if it doesn't fill a need.

You win playoff games no one cares how you do things.

You lose games and don't win playoff games and, like with Herm, no one cares how much talent you added...

We took a bunch of athletic phenoms, besides the QB obviously, who were productive in college and have major upside at positions that we need some help at, I have absolutely no problem with that.

I am pretty sure that what happened with the Gaines vs Moncrief pick was that Dorsey took a good look at the second half of the season and the play off game and asked himself:

"What really lost us those games?"

And that obviously led him to selecting a guy that he thought would help upgrade the defense.

I can't tell which is more dramatic: Post-Draft CP meltdowns or these NFL Grades.

Yes, grading the draft immediately after its over is silly, but that's always been how it goes. I do think it's funny that, individually, almost every pick was given a good grade, but taken as a whole, the Chiefs lost the draft.

I don't know, but I think Dorsey did this correctly, taking players that fall, even if they don't line up perfectly to your needs, because they're just good value.

But I'm guessing they also don't see OL has a glaring need either or they would have done something about it.

On the WR topic, remember back to Philly. It was ALWAYS a yearly discussion topic until TO and later into Reid's tenure. Every year people were talking about the WR situation.

I think Andy Reid and John Dorsey view WRs VERY differently than a lot of people.

Or more importantly, Glenn Dorsey.

anyone who criticizes taking a pass rusher w/ ford's measurables at #23 in the draft is a ****ing idiot...the kind of idiot who thinks matt cassel is a franchise QB

Gaines is nickle CB who projects to a starter, and one of the fastest CBs in the draft who just also managed to record the most pass breakups in college.....but the idiot who thinks matt cassel is a franchise QB is not impressed

tell me about all the day one starters drafted in the 3rd...please be specific, the way you spent years specifically saying matt cassel was a franchise QB

thomas is a wild card? 3rd fastest skill player in the draft who scored 46 tds in college is a wild card in the 4th round? by wild card do you mean matt cassel is a franchise QB?

omg, we still have a couple of positions with questions!!

like every other ****ing other team in the nfl not named seattle..thank ****ing christ we didn't spend another high pick on OL just to satisfy idiots like you...the kind of idiot who thinks matt cassel is a franchise QB

we drafted a pass rusher over OL...and you're complaining about it...which is what should be expected from the guy spent 1000 days giving Pioli a rim job

no mention of the absolute steal of the draft value we got in the 5th...but then you thought matt cassel was a franchise QB, so of course you are too ****ing stupid to even recognize it

Thumbs up to all of.this.

hey, teams with top 10 picks in every round had a better draft than the Chiefs who only had 1 pick in the top 80!


this is very insightful, according to the idiot who thinks matt cassel is a franchise QB

Wrong , our biggest need was addressed with a DE and CB

Every year, the teams with multiple first round picks are deemed winners. Wow. The insight is incredible.

Espn guys gave us B-.

Draft grades are horseshit and are meaningless to me...

Seeming dearth of impact players from draft......your a Pioli/cassel cumsucking douchebag.

Thomas - wild card?????

Thomas will have a better rookie year than McCluster and if healthy his upside is much higher than people realize. Please come back later for a serving of Black Mamba.

I give them the grade I give every team after every draft: incomplete

Yep, I said it last night.

We were going to be hard pressed to "kill it" in this draft in most people's eyes when we were down picks, it's simple mathematics.

I think we did just fine with the resources we had at hand.

They're delusional.

Yes no question this is the bottom line. I do think you can spin this positively. We had a great season. Were it not for very untimely injuries I believe they made a great effort and we were serious contenders. I have thought about the FA losses and frankly Dexter was the only one that bothered me. This team needs field position difference makers. You don't go out and get a SP coach like we did and not give him somebody to work with. Perhaps Thomas will deliver but I think Dexter would have been better. We shall see.