Intriguing training camp battles that are becoming evident
 

1. Quarterback
I hope Dorsey has enough sense to realize that if he needs money for the cap, Chase Daniel is sucking out 3 million this year. Bray and Murray are both unprovens, but one would hope that training camp and preseason would start to show that either Bray or Murray is good enough to be backup QB material. Were that to happen, the other guy would take the 3rd spot and hopefully kick Daniel to the curb.

2. Offensive line
What a freaking mess. We're bound to keep a shit ton of fatties on the final 53 roster, assuming we want to keep Kush around. After Fisher, Hudson, and Stephenson as the starters, it's anybody's guess. I'm going to assume Dr. Frenchie stays aboard because we wouldn't be so stupid as to try to stash him away on the practice squad, right? Besides, do you see anybody else on the team who can be trusted to play OT? I know Linkenbach does, but... eww. I don't want him the primary swing tackle.

So it's down to the guards now. Linkenbach should be depth at RG/RT; making him the starter just exacerbates our continuity problem next year when Hudson will likely walk AND we have to replace RG again. Jeff Allen will probably stick around (blech). So I really believe here that if the team wants to avoid doing something stupid like letting Dr. Frenchie get plucked off the waivers, they need to make the starting RG spot a winner take all situation between Fulton and Johnson. They may end up keeping 4 guards on the roster, with Linkenbach counting as a swing guy, but there are THREE dudes whose comfortable side is on the right. Somebody is going to have to move to LG incase Allen goes down. At this point I have no clue what their plans are for that. I would hope they'd try to move Johnson to left, but we'll see.

3. Cornerback
This is a problem, but a good problem. We're six guys deep:

Smith
Cooper
Flowers
Gaines
Owens
Parker

All of those guys are worth keeping on the roster, and we may try to stash them all away. But it's also possible that we only go with 5, in which case the low man has to either switch to safety or get raped. What's interesting about this battle is not only finding out if the staff will cut a hardy veteran like Flowers in training camp just to accelerate the eventual cap cut we'll need to perform at some point, but it's figuring out how the team will make use of each individual CB's skill during games. I wouldn't be surprised to see us dress at least 5 CBs each game for special teams reasons.

4. Safety
So no, we didn't draft a safety, but this has been an ongoing anticipated training camp battle. Here are the dudes:

Eric Berry
Husain Abdullah
Sanders Commings
Jerron McMillian
Malcolm Bronson
Daniel Sorenson

We got Berry (duh). Abdullah is penciled in as the starter at FS. It's highly unlikely that Commings goes anywhere (except possibly IR again). So there are 1-2 spots for McMillian, Bronson, and Sorenson, and one of them needs to be a SS depth spot. That means McMillian and Bronson are basically the only challengers.

I have no ****ing clue who Bronson is. He was supposedly a part of our training camp and preseason, but I never saw him play a single goddamn down in those games-- not even in the final game when every backup and their mother was playing most of the game. But in spite of all that, we kept him aboard on the practice squad all year over some other safeties who were probably more deserving, like McDougle. Perhaps Dorsey and Reid know something we don't about that guy. I'm willing to say no, but he's a wildcard. I'm also going to assume that Sorenson takes the 5th safety spot if we keep 5. So there's just a lot of question marks at safety. They're intriguing question marks, but question marks nonetheless.

Lots of good position battles to look forward to. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Commings will be healthy.

I don't see a qb battle this season, barring injury... Bray is gone.

Dorsey is kind of a dick brining in competition everywhere ROFL

nobody is allowed to slack off. Too many rats in the race now :)

How about Parker to S?

Also, didn't we get some spanish conquistador to come in and take succops job LOL

But, Bray has way more upside for much less money.

We're not winning anything of importance this year if Alex Smith is healthy or falls to injury.

Chase and his $3.5M clipboard holding ass needs to go, and give that time to try to develop one of these longshots into something - since we're never going to take a QB high in the draft.

Who the **** buys a lottery ticket and then never bothers to scratch it?

Daniel is going to be gone due to his cap number, imo.

1) Alex

2) Bray

3) Murray (if we don't IR him. If we do, pencil in the UDFA kid we picked up here)

The more I think on it, the more I agree. They wouldn't have taken Murray if they thought Bray was capable at #2.

The only way that might change is if Murray is so impressive he leapfrogs Bray straight into the #2 spot.

That's a possibility.

I'm also thinking about 3rd RB. The Chiefs probably don't want Gray coming back, but they didn't bring in anybody to take his job. So it's going to be Gray, McKnight, and a bunch of cum. Well, a bunch more cum to be specific. We've basically got nothing behind Charles and Davis.

De'Anthony Thomas shouldn't be looked to as a backup RB. If he is, we're only going to suffer through more Dexter McCluster 2010-2012 bullshit.

Maybe they list Thomas as the 3rd RB....so that they can keep 5 of the other WRs. It's not like Gray brings anything to the table.

Would they go with 5 RB's?

- Charles
- Davis (likely to be PUP'd to start the year)
- Thomas
- McKnight
- Sherman

Will Murray be ready for camp?

Maybe, but I really wouldn't be surprised to see him on either PUP or IR. Redshirt him his freshman year, as it were.

Thought Reid said Davis was fine. Ready for OTA's

If they do that, he can't practice. That would be a BIG problem, IMO.

This.

Which is why I hope they ditch Chase and start getting these two some snaps.

He might not be able to practice anywhere since he tore his acl why rush him back?

Every report I've read says he'll be able to take part in the upcoming practices.

Wow, if true. That's a hell of a quick recovery, and I'm good with that!

I hadn't considered that. No on-field stuff at all? Yeah, that wouldn't be optimal, even if he still does the classroom work.

- Alex

- Bray

- Murray

Daniel is odd man out due to the money he'd get if he stayed.

Well, if he's injured enough that he can't practice at all, that kind of puts a damn damper on the pick, doesn't it?

If they put him on PUP he is allowed to watch film and attend team meetings but is not allowed to be on the practice field at all, not even to observe.

People were pinning their hopes on him possibly being a starter in 2015. If he goes on PUP this summer, there is ZERO chance that happens.

If Bray is the backup my 6-10 prediction wont be accurate but atleast they will have a really nice draft pick next year.

Murray said after he got picked that his doctors green lighted him and he should be ready to go by TC.

Cut or trade Daniel and roll with Bray and Murray as backups. Bray either shows that he does or doesn't have it.

To shore up the OL. :thumb:

Yeah, I can't believe I never even thought of that.

The biggest reason to be excited about Murray, IMO, is that he could potentially replace Daniel right now and save us some money.

If he goes on PUP, that also becomes impossible. He's essentially a 2015 draft pick at the point.

No it doesnt he was a 2-3 round pick if healthy.

LOL he wont be the starter in 2015. I forgot this place thinks every late round pick could be an all pro.

In Bray's case we didn't buy a lottery ticket, we found it on the ground for free. And apparently they have scratched off enough to know that he is really slow learning the offense. They will have enough information about him after preseason to know if they want to keep him or give up on him. It will cost them nothing to let him go.

You guys are going to be awfully upset when the Chiefs don't cut Daniels but instead end up cutting either Bray or Murray.

Not really, because it's exactly what I expect them to do.

I can't see them cutting Murray that soon after drafting him.

If Albert Wilson makes the team, I imagine there's going to be a battle over return duties with DAT. After watching every video I could find on Wilson, I have a feeling we're going to have a legitimate battle at WR this year.

5th round picks get cut all of the time. They would try to stash him on the practice squad.

I read where he said the Dr.s cleared him to start practicing right away, AM.

Murray won't last on the P Squad, either Bray gets P Squad, or one of them gets IR so they can carry 4 if they don't move Chase out.

That being said, I fully expect there to be a #2 battle for QB, not a #3 battle like the talking heads mentioned when we drafted Murray.

He's Bruce Ellington except he didn't play with a solid QB in college and he needs more work with consistency in catching the ball with his hands. Phenomenal return man in college though, just slightly behind DAT in speed and explosion but not by much.

He was a 5th round pick. They could always just stash him on the practice squad.

He looks built to play the slot, which I like.:D

I actually wish he would drop 10-15 pounds to get even faster and quicker because at 5'9.3" and 203 pounds, he's built like a RB, not a WR.

Right now he is about as fast as Randall Cobb. His extra 10 pounds is the difference between being just fast and being world class.

And I'm okay with him having that weight if he's going over the middle. I don't want a Dante Hall type as the slot guy, I want someone with bulk because in this system, the guy's gonna have to deal with some contact.

Or worst case scenario ir him. I know that's not optimal but if it's between losing him and keeping him ir the ****er
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I like smaller Wrs to be nearly untouchable, not pinballs like small RBs are.

I'd vote Bray ends up on ps, and Murray is #3 QB, for now....

Wilson's not "that" big. Only reason he looks like a RB is because of the trunks he has for legs. :clap:

I agree. It would really be a waste of a pick if we IR him and not get the man some reps. If Bray can't handle some competition for the 3rd spot then he shouldn't be here, plain and simple.

With that said, watch Bray go on to tear our asses in the future; it's the Chiefs Way.

I'm really excited for the camp battle of Joe Mays and Nico Johnson for the starting ILB spot next to DJ

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I am curious to see what Nico brings to the table. It would benefit us greatly to have him beat out Mays.

Give me Mays, he's probably no better but atleast plays with a nasty streak.

I don't want "Suh" level dirty, but a nasty shot here and there is probably a good thing for this bunch of soft bitches.

He says he's ready to go full speed now.

Now I dont know if that's just him trying to boost his draft stock.

Now that the draft is over, maybe he get a different story.

LMAO

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't both Nico and James-Michael Johnson(s) both start or play significantly in that Chargers game?

I mean if we are crowning Rishaw Johnson a starting RG spot by his performance in that Chargers game then by all means, one of these Johnsons had to play better than the other.

I really can't recall. Good question though.

I love you. :D

Apparently he's been medically cleared, so he's a go. That being said, I bet the Chiefs sandbag it hard if they want to keep all 4 QB's and need to toss somebody on the IR spot. Even though IR isn't where you'd want him to be, he still gets to study and get time in at the facility. I'd rather IR/PS Bray though.

**** crowning Rishaw the starting RG, guys' going to have his hands full in camp with Fulton and linkenbach IMO.

And don't forget, both Hudson and Kush can play Center and Guard spots, so the loser of the Center job (Kush) might be battling for a Guard spot.

I'm betting Nico beats out JMM but not by much, one of those guys will get cut this year to make room for the secondary space we need.

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Daniel.

Singular. No ****ing S.

Daniel.

That's foolish and stupid. Just because some 5th round picks get cut sometimes doesn't mean it happens all the time, much less to QBs with such high floors for development as Aaron Murray.

This isn't ****ing Tyler Wilson we're talking about here.

Nico is technically backing up DJ, and from what I saw in the San Diego game, he's doing a terrible job at it.

James Michael-Johnson is the dude behind Mays.

[QUOTE=OnTheWarpath58;10623075]We're not winning anything of importance this year if Alex Smith is healthy or falls to injury.

Chase and his $3.5M clipboard holding ass needs to go, and give that time to try to develop one of these longshots into something - since we're never going to take a QB high in the draft.

Who the **** buys a lottery ticket and then never bothers to scratch it?[/QUOTE]

The Chiefs.

Mays is such a turd. His only value would be a late cheap shot on jughead. Hell their players set out to injure.

I would be. If Murray or Bray get on the field for whatever reason or light it up in the preseason there is a chance you can move them for a decent pick. NOBODY is giving you shit for Chase Daniel. Like I stated earlier regarding Murray. Buy low, develop, showcase and sale high.

Espn seems to think Daniel has backup position solidified.

Ya think? Lol. He's the only one on this roster with anything close to Smith's mobility and therefore the only one who is likely to be able to survive behind this OL.

I'm rooting for James Michael-Johnson to step up and show something. Local kid from around here.

Should probably go ahead and cross the fingers on your other hand that he can play at a high level in the NFL as well.

Yep.

QB - very possible murray gets a redshirt and we keep all four. i'm with you and hopeful bray has shown something and murray is healthy and shows competent to dump daniels and roll the dice with the young guys as #2/3

OLine - from the hopeful side, I really want to see Rishaw pan out as they seem to feel he's ready. Linkenbach as our swing T just scares the piss out of me, seriously. This is my #1 fear aside from QB injury for the entire team honestly. I think the LG side we overlook that Kush could step into C and Hudson could slide over to fill in (replace?) Allen at LG. Sure like what I read on our two 6th round prospects, but only time will tell. Seriously tho, we all know the biggest Q on the OLine. If fish doesn't step up and play well, we got serious problems.

CB - the competition here is pretty awesome, i'm pretty stoked about this offseason at corner. I see one of two things, either Flowers is traded for a '15 pick, or Parker's growth has to beat out the experience factor Owens has in his pocket. Which two guys start on the outside is actually kinda interesting...

S - I'm not terribly worried about starting FS as most. I feel Abdullah can do well, and if Commings actually surprises that's a sweet bonus. The 4th S spot is a bigger question. Abdullah can backup Berry if he were to miss time, but then we NEED Commings to play, or...or what do we got now? No idea ...

Anyone expecting anything out of Demarcus Van Dyke? The guy was a former 3rd round pick who ran a 4.28 and was drafted by Davis. He showed promise in coverage but his career has been derailed so far by injuries (dislocated shoulder 2012, severely injured hamstring 2013). He's got a real shot as well if we decide to go with 5 CBs.

Flowers - if we don't trade him for a WR or future 2015 pick, he's a lock

Smith - Lock. He's our best corner in this system, sadly. Let's hope he can play a full season at a high level instead of just half of one.

Gaines - Lock. 3rd round pick with tremendous man coverage ability due to his natural ability to shadow just about anyone. Displays great anticipation to go up and break up the pass as well. Tenacious in coverage and makes up for his lack in strength with his length and athleticism.

Cooper - Lock, they won't let him go after all of that potential that he showed last year. Hell, he developed so fast, considering his lack of experience as a CB, he might actually be a #1 level CB this year if everything went well for him. Very similar to Richard Sherman's meteoric growth in a tougher system to play in.

Demarcus Van Dyke - Fastest player on the roster when healthy, exceptional ability and showed promise early in career. Can he stay healthy and has he developed at all without much work on the field since his rookie year? Long shot but one worth taking. You can't teach world class speed.

Ron Parker - Another corner with really good speed with 4.3-4.4 wheels and decent size. He made a few plays for us last year and has the inside track to that 5th CB position.

Chris Owens - Smaller slot corner who has a bit more speed than Brandon Flowers and more experience playing in the slot. Not a great or even good player, just solid. Lowest upside of all our CBs. I really don't see him making the team, especially if they plan to hold on to Flowers.

I would look at trading Flowers for a 2015 pick now. Roll with Smith, Cooper, Gaines and Parker as our top 4 corners. Van Dyke and Parker can battle it out for the 5th spot.

Flowers for even a 5th or 6th rounder would have been really nice right now.

I sure hope Dorsey didn't get any offers for Flowers, because this one kind of stings. We ain't even getting one of those almighty super awesome jizztastic comp picks I keep hearing so much about.

Dorsey is clearly protecting Chase Daniel because he didn't bring in the prototype AKA CASEY MOTHER****ING PACHALL. So I don't expect any real training camp battles for QB.

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Just you wait. 2018 is right around the corner. Who are we looking at for prospects in that pool?

If Gaines comes on really strong maybe we can move Flowers to safety.

The 2015 WR class actually looks pretty decent. Not as deep as this one was, but as long as we take one in the 1st or 2nd we should have as good a chance to land a future #1.

I'm talking about 2018, when we get a comp pick for Flowers after we don't trade him. Thinking long term over here, building for the future.

will anyone step up at WR?

Bowe, with his off-season workout and diet program, could pleasantly surprise everyone and return to his 70 rec, 1k yard, and 7+ TDs form.

Only real shot, outside of Bowe, is AJ Jenkins, judging from his late season play and also the fact that he had enough physical talent to get drafted in the 1st round.

Avery could increase his production but that depends entirely on his ability to not be such a pussy and walk off of the field every time he falls on the ground. Judging from how he's played his entire career, there's not much hope of that happening; he also needs to improve his focus and stop dropping passes but there's not too much hope of that at this stage of his career.

I'm not holding my breath on anyone else (Kelce, Fasano, McGrath). There's a chance that De'Anthony Thomas, based on his track record as a football player, can develop enough to contribute as a situational slot guy for the first half of the season and be a threat to take the ball the the house every time that he touches it.

Jon Jennings = Beast

I'm the definite minority here, but just watch... Jenkins is going to put it together under Reid.

Harbaugh gave up on the guy after like 2 minutes, thats BS... he'll be groomed the right way here and flourish, that's my big bet for 2014.

Everyone hopes you're right. Reid would really love some Torry Holt or Isaac Bruce types right about now.

It would be worth a shot to put Flowers at FS. He's a zone coverage guy, not a press man corner that Sutton is in love with. He's better in zones, out in space, and he's always been a good tackler.

The corner we drafted is what Sutton likes to use. Press man cover corner that has a penchant for breaking up passes.

With Flowers and Berry over the top, the corners would have some room for error.

This could be the worst idea ever as well though, perhaps Ive played too much Madden these past couple weeks.