Who Would You Cut? Bray or Daniel?
 

The battle of the year is here, and this time it's with a poll.

I am guessing this decision will not need to be made this year, because of Murray's injury.

But who would you cut? Bray is inexperienced, but Daniel is eating cap (**** you John Dorsey), that much money is absolutely ludicrous for a backup qb.

Bray would go.

too early to tell, we have no idea what Bray can do yet

Get booger out of KC.

Everyone is going to say Daniel. But, fact of the matter is, he is our only competent back-up on the team right now.

Would you rather have more upside for less money?

Me too.

Daniel's ceiling has been reached and he's still not solid. Not sure that Bray will ever get his chance, but I like his potential more.

Cut both and keep that small school kid.

It's a conundrum. It's too early to cut Bray, but it's a bad, bad idea to go into an NFL season without a veteran backup. I think you have to find a way to keep all 4 at this point.

Reid will make one of them look like Brady II then trade him for a good pick.

If Bray shows any sign of life, Daniel will be traded for a good pick. If Bray is lifeless, he will be traded for a 7th.

My guess is they hope Bray is good enough to take over the clipboard. When injuries start, Daniel will look good to someone desperate.

My guess is they do not have faith in Bray, hence the Murray draft.

Voted for bray on accident.

I think the Murray draft may have been more about having a guy sitting there in the fifth that they loved.

If the Chiefs plan to make the playoffs this year, they need to have a capable backup QB.

I trust them to make the right call there and realize that it might be Chase Daniel, even if he is expensive has reached his upside.

He played pretty well in the San Diego game and at least has taken snaps in an NFL regular season game, which can't be said of Bray or Murray.

Both. Not even debatable

This team is not about winning this year, so has no need for a veteran backup.

I'd wait and see how Bray improved. If it is significant you can cut Daniels..if it isn't, you cut Bray.

I feel the same way. But does Andy Reid? Is he conceding this year? Somehow, I doubt he will/does.

Would you be saying that if Denver hadn't gotten Emmanuel Sanders?

You guys make me so proud. :)

I like Daniels but am also realistic he is just back up quality and is too costly for the organization.

Cut Daniel, and get Bray some playing time in the preseason and hopefully impresses a team enough to trade for him down the road

I was of the understanding that cutting Daniel wouldn't really save us any money this year.

Yep

We wont spend the cap savings anywhere else. If Murray is still dinged a little put Murray on IR for the year.

I think this is the most likely scenario.

Just over a million dollars IIRC.

Ok
That's not great, but not bad. Could mean a veteran contributor, if they go that route.

Sanders, alone, would make little difference.

If this team were truly about winning this year, they'd have have done more in free agency.

There's no way in hell they go into this season with all the question marks they have and expect they have all the answers on this roster.

They might hope that those answers work out, but that is all it is until and unless they get out on the field and perform consistently.

Bray was an UDFA. I don't know why people treat him like he's a 2nd round pick. Daniel probably has to have the edge because he's a veteran backup, and he played well last year in San Diego.

POLL should have been public :grrrr:

Bray is gone, bitch.

If our O-Line wasn't absolute garbage and the probability of Smith getting injured wasn't so high I would say cut Daniels. But in our current situation, no way does Reid let Daniels go.

I hate overpaying clipboard holders but Bray will be the one gone.

Reid let Foles be backup to ****ing Vick.

**** Daniel.

Why in the hell would we concede anything if Smith can replicate his playoff performance on a consistent basis?

Are you seriously comparing a UDFA to a third round pick?

Pretty sure Murray was drafted.

Who the hell said I was talking about Bray?

No. He is actually still on the team. Dumbass.

When a player becomes an UDFA, there has to be a shit ton of empirical evidence to prove that he's anything other than a useless bag of shit.

A rookie Foles is still infinitely better than a rookie Murray. Comparing these two is pretty careless.

And you know this because?

If Murray didn't go back to school last year he was likely a first round pick.

I agree. Keep Daniel and groom Murray aggressively so you can cut Daniel as soon as Murray's ready to be legitimately promoted to backup.

If the 2012 QB class wasn't so strong with the likes of RG3 and Luck; Foles would have gone in the first-early second rounds no question. People were comparing him to the likes of Roethlisberger.

Murrary is a project, no way is he better than Foles his rookie year.

Foles drops to the 3rd because of 2 QBs? I bet... 6 QBs were selected before Foles. Can you name 2 after Luck and RG3 without looking them up?

*cough*wastedpick*cough*

yes this. Really just depends on where Bray's development is at this point. Should be more clear by September, eh?

Wilson and Tannehill.

Your level of knowledge exceeds my expectations for someone that thinks Foles was ever going to be a 1st round pick. Bravo, sir!

I'd go back in time and never bother signing Daniel in the first place.

From this list, though, I'd definitely cut Peyton Manning. Now THAT would help the Chiefs win a couple more games.

I like Murray as a 3rd round talent, but I tend to somewhat agree here. Not that it sucks to have him on the roster... just that imho KC would have been better served in using that pick elsewhere this draft.

Late first rounder in a weak draft class like '13. Why the **** not?

You just said the QB class was strong...

I said if he came out in a weak draft class

2 QBs don't make a QB drop to the ****ing late 3rd round. Sorry.

Same can be said for Murray, in his case the 5th round... but okay lol.

What's your point?

That was never the argument.

If Bray is not a long term answer, I'd actually rather keep Daniel. He's a decent backup. If Bray could be a viable future starter or trade bait, keep him.

You asked me how I know rookie Murray is better than rookie Foles. I used draft value as an example. You then gave the excuse that Murray's value was tampered with due to a strong draft class.

The only problem is both of these guys were taken in strong draft classes... one just didn't fall to the 5th round is all.

Draft value doesnt mean shit. If it did Foles wouldn't have been drafted until the ****ing late 3rd. He would have been drafted right after Wilson, who would have been picked right after RG3.

There was nothing particularly strong about the 2012 QB class outside of Luck and RG3. Just like there was nothing strong about this QB class. The only difference is Murray tore his ACL.

Keep bray if smith goes down we throw deep allllll day

To what receivers?

He's a dwarf!

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townn...18a5.image.jpg

No more like a hobbit

It will next year.

There was a lot of talk during that season that Foles was looking like a first rounder. So he isn't pulling this from his ass.

Ya, I remember that. They were projections near the beginning of the season. Those projections quickly changed as the season played out.

Bottom line... You don't become a late 3rd round pick because 2 QBs were drafted 1 and 2. There's a **** load of picks between RG3 and where Foles was drafted, including 4 QBs.

You think Daniel and Bray provide equal parts veteran experience and development potential as our two backup QBs.

That's cool. I can respect that. I used to think that way too, back when dinosaur chicken nuggets and cherry Kool-aid were the finest culinary sensations ever ****ing invented

I don't know that they "quickly" changed, but you may be right. Either way, there was a time when he was considered a first round talent. So mocking a guy for misremembering that comes across a little false.

Not mocking anyone. Simply saying that Foles was never going to be a 1st round pick. Ever. Not in a "strong" QB class and not in a "weak" QB class.

Murray could have been one if he declared last year. But he went back to school, didn't play as good, and tore his ACL. He was never going to be a 1st round pick either.

Huh?

Cant read?

I read fine.
Your first sentence and your last sentence say two opposite things.

Could've been vs never was gonna be

Obviously you can't read.

Obviously. Maybe you can help me understand what you really meant by typing slower.

I don't think Murray would have ever been a 1st rounder, because his measurables are just average.

Chase played a fine game against the Chargers. When was the last time a Chiefs quarterback played that well in San Diego?

Actually if you factor in his height, most NFL teams consider his measurables borderline scary.

Not saying I agree or disagree. Just saying that QBs of his height are shunned by most NFL teams.

If you remove height, Murray's a first rounder, if you remove the ACL thing, Murray's a first rounder, If you remove both, he's a top 5 pick probably.

Apart from his height, he's got a slight build. His arm is more or less average I think.

I have liked him since I started seeing him in the SEC though. He's an "it-factor" kind of pick.

Chase Daniel: 6'0" 225 lbs
Aaron Murray: 6'1" 207 lbs
Tyler Bray: 6'6" 232 lbs
Alex Smith: 6'4" 217 lbs