Robert Mathis out 4 games PED's
 

@AdamSchefter: NFL suspended Colts' pass rusher Robert Mathis four games for violating policy on performance enhancing substances.

Cost him a little over $700,000 :doh!:

Update:@NFL_ATL: Mathis: Fertility drug caused failed test http://t.co/xtN51e8Nm7

Good. **** the Colts.

Was taking fertility drugs to knock up his wife. Bet this gets overturned.

From mathis.

Suuuure

A good hit but still if it keeps you playing prob worth it. Not saying it's right but reality.

Goodell is such a ****ing asshole

Now it makes sense why he had 19.5 sacks at his age.

Good, **** that blanks firing limp dick and the Colts.

lol

Cheaters. We want those losses back! :cuss:

No way. They aren't about to open that Pandora's box.

seriously, why would anyone, after all the suspensions, take ANYTHING without asking the NFL?

Didn't know his wife was named Pandora.

Doesn't the woman take the fertility drugs?

He had no problem PIIHB to Alex Smith on that sack.

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:thumb:

Probably because they're cheaters.

Screw the Colts. They cheat. They're the Broncos in a less interesting city.

The doctor can prescribe them to both men and women depending on the infertility situation.

Great. So not only did he cheat to help beat us in the playoffs, but his cheating will force him to miss the Denver game this year. Once again Mathis screws us over...

I seriously doubt a short dose of steroids/hormones would have made a huge difference in his season anyway. Congrats to him for conceiving. He's made his money at the game, the 4 game pop is nothing in comparison to not having the chance to have his kid.

But, if he's blowing smoke and the fertility issue is a cover, then **** him with a rusty horseshoe.

At age 32 he has 19.5 sacks, most he's had since 2010 and first time in double figures since, he and his wife already have 3 kids, but this is believable?

Hmmm

He was busted taking clomid. Same as Manny Ramirez, a drug to help women ovulate.

Hmmm, I don't know how but I think this has something to do with Michael Sam.

Robert Mathis out 4 games PED's
 

Too bad we can't make them forfeit the playoff game. :) Just another reason to hate the Colts. Obviously none of our defensive guys were taking any performance enhancing drugs. Maybe performance reeruning drugs.

I'd be all for them striking that game from the books (I'd also be down with them striking it from my memory)

Shit if I'm him I'd do it to be beefier and have four weeks off early on be fresh come the playoffs

Not the pride of Alabama.........











....A&M.

**** you, Colts.
**** you all.

What he says is likely partially true, but it also outs him as a steroid user. He probably did need fertility treatments to conceive, but that would only occur if he'd been on anabolic steroids during the season. Clomid is used to restart testicular function in men. It signals the testes to produce testosterone. No way someone like a robert mathis would have naturally low testicular function (testosterone), it would only be low if he was taking something that made it low (anabolics or exogenous testosterone). So he may be truthful about the clomid, but the fact he was prescribed clomid in the first place also logically proves he was cheating.

Are you positive?

I'm going to need Planetdc to chime in. I trust him.

Yes i'm positive:

http://shiramillermd.com/blog/clomid...ternative.html

The real question is why would a Robert Mathis have testosterone levels so low that he couldn't conceive?

A ~260 lb pro bowl caliber NFL football player with natural testosterone so low he can't conceive....yeah right.

Pretty sad to hear. Been a fan of Mathis for quite some time. Not a whole lot of regular sized pass rushers for young men to look up to.

NFL responds. Wow.

Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2014, 12:57 AM EDT

AP
Typically, the NFL says nothing about the suspension of a player for violating the policy regarding performance-enhancing substances. As a practical matter, this allows the player and/or his agent to offer up to the public a dog-ate-my-homework-style excuse that would then be unchallenged by the NFL.

In the case of Colts defensive end Robert Mathis, the NFL has departed from its usual policy, responding to the statement issued by agent Hadley Englehard.

Englehard called the suspension “unjust and unfair,” explaining that Mathis was taking a fertility drug in order to have another child. The drug is on the list of banned substances.

“As Mr. Mathis’s agent acknowledged today, his client failed to follow the protocols in the policy that the NFL and NFLPA agreed upon to address precisely these kinds of claims,” the league said. “That policy also prescribes the disciplinary consequences of a positive test. The policy does not provide — nor should it provide — for the Commissioner to override the policy’s procedures and assess discipline on an after-the-fact, ad hoc basis. Here Mr. Mathis actually withdrew his appeal and accepted discipline at the union’s suggestion. His hearing took place only after the Players Association requested that the appeal be reinstated.

“The drug for which Mr. Mathis tested positive is not approved by the FDA for fertility in males and is a performance-enhancing drug that has been prohibited for years. Importantly, Mr. Mathis did not consult with the policy’s Independent Administrator, a physician jointly approved by the NFL and NFL Players Association. Nor did he consult with his team doctor, the team’s training staff, the NFLPA, the league office or the hotline established under the policy to give confidential information to players. Each of these sources would have warned against using this substance.

“A cornerstone of the program is that a player is responsible for what is in his body. Consistent application of the policy’s procedures is critical to the integrity of the program.”

With players and/or their agents consistently attempting to win the P.R. battle that necessarily accompanies a suspension for using performance-enhancing substances, it’s good to that the league finally is willing to set the record straight (even if doing so potentially runs afoul of the spirit of the confidentiality provision). Without that clarification, any player (and, as it seems, every player) can offer up a self-serving explanation that creates the impression the player didn’t actually break the rules.

Even if, you know, he did.

I just can't bring myself to care about PEDs.

More power to 'em.

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Good day sir!

@Edwerderespn: Interesting the #NFL negotiated drug suspension for Von Miller but not for Robert Mathis despite his unique explanation for PED violation

Spot on.:bravo:

You speak in 100% definitives, and that is not accurate when dealing with most things in the human body...including in this case. The human body is not a machine without variance.

Lets start from the chief concern. Someone who has difficulty conceiving may be found to have low sperm count. Low sperm count can have many causes, one of which can be hormonal. There are a number of non-PED, non-illegal drugs, supplements, and medical conditions that can affect hormone levels.

I dont know Mathis situation. His sperm count could have been low (or borderline), and sitting in a sauna and hot tub between games wouldnt help the situation. Sometimes physicians even prescribe a short term low dose pill for the placebo affect.

TL;DR clomid can be used to tx side-effects from anabolic steroid use, but one can't say with 100% certainty that was the case for Mathis with the information that so far has been provided.

Good grief. The ****er cheated.

You can make all the excuses you want. He knew the rules and broke em. It is bullshit they lowered Von Merriman ' s suspension though.

I'm the exact opposite.

Dallas
Denver
Colts

**** these 3

anything bad happening to them is a reason to celebrate

Yeah thats true but the fact he was prescribed clomid indicates he had low sperm count due to hormonal reasons (low testosterone), since that is what clomid is used for in the world of male fertility.

You're right, we can't be 100% sure, but given that Robert Mathis is who he is (a physical freak amongst physical freaks of which testosterone is a primary driver of physical ability), I'd say logic would lean wayyyyy more towards his sperm count being compromised due to supplemental aid. It's just hard to believe a man would get 19 sacks in the national football league and have a natural testosterone level/sperm count so low he couldn't conceive.

NFLPA supports Mathis, too
Colts linebacker Robert Mathis has received plenty of support in the wake of the news that he’ll be suspended four games for violating the league’s policy regarding performance-enhancing substances.

From his agent to his coach and now to the union that agreed to include the fertility drug Mathis took on the list of banned substances, everyone is embracing the veteran — and no one (other than the league) is suggesting that he actually broke a rule.

“We are disappointed in Roger’s decision,” NFLPA president Eric Winston said in a statement issued by the union. “Given the set of facts that Robert, medical experts and our union presented, upholding this suspension shows a lack of compassion and perspective. We support Robert and are happy for him and his family.”

once again, I believe it is irresponsible to accuse someone of using PEDs without definitive proof. He is guilty of using a specific band substance (clomid), but currently nothing more. Accusing him of anything else, without the facts, is defamation.

believe it. He isnt the first person in very good physical condition to have clinically defined low sperm count or low testosterone, and he wont be the last. Another thing is that we dont know his wife's situation. She could have a medical condition(s) such as Pelvic inflammatory disease, anti-sperm antibodies, or something else that drastically reduces the number of sperm to reach the ova. When dealing with multiple problems (low sperm count + female disorder) its easier and cheaper to give the guy a generic pill and see if the couple conceives than deal with the issues on the female side immediately as well. Before someone suggests it, it isnt rare to have multiple issues limiting the ability to conceive.

Finally, the whole idea of arguing about someone else's potential medical condition on a web forum is somewhat repulsive to me. I understand that Mathis chose to talk about it to defend himself, but I feel its a private matter. I try to put myself in their shoes. I wouldnt want to share with an employer (or the public) details of a medical condition that leads to a failed test or affects job performance. My privacy and the privacy of my patients are important to me. Lets try to look at this subject with compassion FIRST before accusation. :thumb:

Everyone seems to be ignoring the part about the drug he took supposedly prescribed by a fertility doctor is not approved by the FDA to treat male infertility.

This is the first link that shows up on Google when you type in "Clomid".

http://infertility.about.com/od/infe.../clomid101.htm

And here's your answer.

It IS approved for treating infertility. Just not in MEN.

http://www.drugs.com/pro/clomid.html

Clomid (clomiphene citrate tablets USP) is an orally administered, nonsteroidal, ovulatory stimulant designated chemically as 2-[p-(2-chloro-1,2-diphenylvinyl)phenoxy] triethylamine citrate (1:1).

here is your answer
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FYI: before someone protests, world renown and famous classical artwork should not be considered NSFW.

Yep. He's enhancing.

Is this band substance a woodwind or brass instrument?

LMAO.


"I find this repulsive but here are my lengthy thoughts and opinions on the matter."

neither dumbass. you wouldnt happen to be an unemployed english major by any chance? They (of which their are many) are mainly the ones more focussed on grammar and spelling than the content of what is said. I guess that would require higher level thinking.

Wow. This thread got interesting.

I thought we were talking about PEDs, not RFKs.

Objection your honor! Relevance...

Sustained.

you fail to see the relevance? Think about it....its not too difficult.

I'll give an opportunity for someone else to clue you in, and if it is still a mystery, than I'll clue you in later this afternoon.

No that's ok.

I don't care about some dead guy.

As I've said before, you'd think a "doc," with the level of education required to attain that degree, would have a basic understanding of grammar and punctuation. You seem to lack it. And blatant mistake like band vs. banned should be pointed out. We have no way of knowing if you made a simple mistake or don't know the difference.

Why? How does is have any impact on you?

He also apparently doesn't know the difference between 'their' and 'there'.

Robert Mathis out 4 games PED's
 

Well, I'm not a professional athlete so of course it doesn't. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...ammar-nazi.jpg

I dont care. it doesnt matter to me or affect what I need to do or say. If those in charge of this board deem it to be important, than they are welcome to implement a spellchecker (more advanced than underlining words in red) and grammar checking into the software.

I think it says more about those that are hung up by how something is said rather than the content or meaning behind what is said.

http://humoriq.files.wordpress.com/2...ammar-nazi.jpg
why does it matter?

You call him a dumbass but yet you get all butt hurt over him playing out of spelling error in what was most likely a joke. Now you look like a dumb dumb

im not going to go through his post hx, but many of sorter's comments to me have had to do w/ grammar/spelling. Its seems like an OCD hang up.

FYP :D

ROFL

It matters because when someone presents himself as barely literate, it's difficult to take his opinion seriously.

heh
I question your critical thinking skills.

You can barely write, dude. You regularly use the wrong word. I don't think I've ever see you use then/than correctly.

so, to be clear, were you unable to discern the meaning of the word "band" in the context of the above statement, and the context of the discussion? Did you think I didnt know the difference and was instead talking about a "woodwind or brass instrument" as Sorter put it?

I have over 1400 posts on this forum. Your definition of what is considered "barely [able to] write" is abnormal.

once again, why does it matter? Havent you asked yourself why you are unable to get past spelling/grammar mistakes?

I can, and often do, ignore it. I choose not to this time.

Have you asked yourself why you're incapable of using what is presumably your native language correctly?

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See, I see using proper grammar, punctuation, and even the right words as a fundamental courtesy to others who choose to read my posts. Your apparent disregard for the language means you care not that others have to decipher what you meant, so in a way, it's disrespectful to others.

that is what a grammar nazi would say.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsess...ality_disorder
https://illinois.edu/blog/view/25/76120

posting or communicating in any form is simply passing on information from one to another. So far I have managed to do that even with spelling and grammar mistakes.
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You have even more if you count the ones you made under the name "findthedr"

citation needed

Blow me.

these accusations sounded a little familiar. After a search I found the post. You accused me of being voyager exactly 1 month ago. I cant wait to read who you think I am next month. ROFL

are you a genotypic female with a "great personality," and STD free?