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Deberg_1990 05-29-2014 01:40 PM

Anthony Sherman
 
Is this the year he finally puts it all together and justifies his trade status with Arenas?

680 yards receiving. 745 rushing...
Oh, he kinda looks like a dwarf.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-29-2014 01:41 PM

I dont think he had a bad year last year.

Arenas didn't live up to the hype, IMO.

ct 05-29-2014 01:43 PM

well he's still on the roster, while arenas is not, and had to be rescued by #FUPioli so...

and also this...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...s-2014-chiefs/

staylor26 05-29-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10658156)
I dont think he had a bad year last year.

Arenas didn't live up to the hype, IMO.

I'm guessing this was just sarcasm. Sherman was one of the best FB's in the league last season. We won that trade IMO.

ChiefsCountry 05-29-2014 01:44 PM

We got a fullback for Tony Gonzalez.

Aspengc8 05-29-2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 10658166)
I'm guessing this was just sarcasm. Sherman was one of the best FB's in the league last season. We won that trade IMO.

I agree. Great run blocker. Can sit in the backfield to pick up the blitz as well as a decent pair of hands receiving.

staylor26 05-29-2014 02:00 PM

I also think we won the trade with Jenkins for Baldwin. Not by much yet, but Jenkins is younger and has a better chance to actually develop into a solid #2 with his skillset. Baldwin is buried in that depth chart right now and is just about done.

RealSNR 05-29-2014 02:08 PM

I've posted this before, but there is no ****ing way this should have been a good trade for us. It was, but it shouldn't have been.

We already had Shane Bannan from the 2012 draft. We had drafted Braden Wilson in the 6th round of the 2013 draft. We signed Toben Opurum as a rookie free agent and designated him as a FB in training camp, too.

So we had all those FBs on the roster just one day after the 2013 draft. And a few days later we traded Javier Arenas for ANOTHER freakin FB, only this one was expected to be better than the garbage we brought in, basically nullifying all the FB roster moves we had made. So... Dorsey made the Braden Wilson pick by accident. Or something. I have no freakin clue what he was thinking when he made that pick if he was going to just go out and acquire the real starter a few days later before even team minicamps began and he had a chance to see even a glimpse of the talent he had.

And let's not forget what he had to give up. Javier Arenas wasn't anything special at all, but he was still our 3rd best CB on the roster at the time. We didn't draft any CB depth, either. Dorsey looked at THIS lineup of CBs and said, "Yeah, we don't need Javier Arenas... let's go waste more assets on that FB!"

Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Jalil Brown
Vince Agnew

I mean... good GOD what was he thinking? He spends a pick on Wilson to compete with Bannan... he adds Toben Opurum on top of that... then takes a player from our most shallow roster spot and sends him away for a FB that he just invested a bunch of shit in.

Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker saved his ass on that trade. Really, it saved the team's ass. Now it looks brilliant because we need Anthony Sherman more than we need Javier Arenas. I really hope that Dorsey knew the 49ers and the Seahawks were going to cut those CBs and planned ahead. Otherwise... wow. What an idiot.

ThaVirus 05-29-2014 02:10 PM

Anthony Sherman
 
Sherman played great. He really did. He had a huge blunder with the fumble in the game @ Denver but really did a great job in paving the way for Jamaal.

Still, if I could to back in time I'd never make that trade. Arenas was always pretty good for us and the argument for positional value shouldn't even need to be made..

hometeam 05-29-2014 02:18 PM

Sherman was a beast except for that one fumble

ThaVirus 05-29-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10658260)
Sherman was a beast except for that one fumble


That was pretty big. Realistically we wouldn't have won that game anyway, but I felt that was huge.

Having him on the team was definitely a net positive though.

Titty Meat 05-29-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10658237)
I've posted this before, but there is no ****ing way this should have been a good trade for us. It was, but it shouldn't have been.

We already had Shane Bannan from the 2012 draft. We had drafted Braden Wilson in the 6th round of the 2013 draft. We signed Toben Opurum as a rookie free agent and designated him as a FB in training camp, too.

So we had all those FBs on the roster just one day after the 2013 draft. And a few days later we traded Javier Arenas for ANOTHER freakin FB, only this one was expected to be better than the garbage we brought in, basically nullifying all the FB roster moves we had made. So... Dorsey made the Braden Wilson pick by accident. Or something. I have no freakin clue what he was thinking when he made that pick if he was going to just go out and acquire the real starter a few days later before even team minicamps began and he had a chance to see even a glimpse of the talent he had.

And let's not forget what he had to give up. Javier Arenas wasn't anything special at all, but he was still our 3rd best CB on the roster at the time. We didn't draft any CB depth, either. Dorsey looked at THIS lineup of CBs and said, "Yeah, we don't need Javier Arenas... let's go waste more assets on that FB!"

Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Jalil Brown
Vince Agnew

I mean... good GOD what was he thinking? He spends a pick on Wilson to compete with Bannan... he adds Toben Opurum on top of that... then takes a player from our most shallow roster spot and sends him away for a FB that he just invested a bunch of shit in.

Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker saved his ass on that trade. Really, it saved the team's ass. Now it looks brilliant because we need Anthony Sherman more than we need Javier Arenas. I really hope that Dorsey knew the 49ers and the Seahawks were going to cut those CBs and planned ahead. Otherwise... wow. What an idiot.

None of those fullbacks you mentioned are even in the league now.

RealSNR 05-29-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog (Post 10658298)
None of those fullbacks you mentioned are even in the league now.

I know. The point is why spend a 6th rounder on something as meh as a fullback, when less than a week later you sacrifice depth at your weakest position to trade for another fullback? That's what you haven't even seen your 6th rounder participate in a single team practice.

It's a shit ton of fuss and unnecessary headaches for the goddamn fullback position.

Deberg_1990 05-29-2014 02:57 PM

Yea, that's interesting. why even pick Wilson if you had no faith in him from the start? It doesn't look like much was picked after Wilson anyways that we missed out on. except for Marcus Cooper.
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Demonpenz 05-29-2014 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10658260)
Sherman was a beast except for that one fumble

really watering down the term beast these days.

beach tribe 05-29-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10658237)
I've posted this before, but there is no ****ing way this should have been a good trade for us. It was, but it shouldn't have been.

We already had Shane Bannan from the 2012 draft. We had drafted Braden Wilson in the 6th round of the 2013 draft. We signed Toben Opurum as a rookie free agent and designated him as a FB in training camp, too.

So we had all those FBs on the roster just one day after the 2013 draft. And a few days later we traded Javier Arenas for ANOTHER freakin FB, only this one was expected to be better than the garbage we brought in, basically nullifying all the FB roster moves we had made. So... Dorsey made the Braden Wilson pick by accident. Or something. I have no freakin clue what he was thinking when he made that pick if he was going to just go out and acquire the real starter a few days later before even team minicamps began and he had a chance to see even a glimpse of the talent he had.

And let's not forget what he had to give up. Javier Arenas wasn't anything special at all, but he was still our 3rd best CB on the roster at the time. We didn't draft any CB depth, either. Dorsey looked at THIS lineup of CBs and said, "Yeah, we don't need Javier Arenas... let's go waste more assets on that FB!"

Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Jalil Brown
Vince Agnew

I mean... good GOD what was he thinking? He spends a pick on Wilson to compete with Bannan... he adds Toben Opurum on top of that... then takes a player from our most shallow roster spot and sends him away for a FB that he just invested a bunch of shit in.

Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker saved his ass on that trade. Really, it saved the team's ass. Now it looks brilliant because we need Anthony Sherman more than we need Javier Arenas. I really hope that Dorsey knew the 49ers and the Seahawks were going to cut those CBs and planned ahead. Otherwise... wow. What an idiot.

Absolutely in awe of how you can turn a nice move and improvement of the team into a chance to point out how stupid it was, in your opinion, to have attempted it.

Sounds to me like he got the opportunity to up grade the team regardless of all these MAJOR resources that had been pumped into the FB position.
And the price to do that was the last regime's 3rd corner who could be replaced with scrap heapers.

And you wonder why the planet is dying:evil:

beach tribe 05-29-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10658350)
Yea, that's interesting. why even pick Wilson if you had no faith in him from the start? It doesn't look like much was picked after Wilson anyways that we missed out on. except for Marcus Cooper.
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It's called a board. Successful drafters stay true to it.

ThaVirus 05-29-2014 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10658517)
Absolutely in awe of how you can turn a nice move and improvement of the team into a chance to point out how stupid it was, in your opinion, to have attempted it.

Sounds to me like he got the opportunity to up grade the team regardless of all these MAJOR resources that had been pumped into the FB position.
And the price to do that was the last regime's 3rd corner who could be replaced with scrap heapers.

And you wonder why the planet is dying:evil:

But... He's right.

beach tribe 05-29-2014 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10658529)
But... He's right.

He's right that if his hypothetical scenario of failure had played out, then it would have been a stupid move.
Yes. He is right.

BossChief 05-29-2014 05:17 PM

If we had Javier Arenas instead of Dunta Robinson against Indy, we win that football game.

Think about that.

Titty Meat 05-29-2014 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10658583)
If we had Javier Arenas instead of Dunta Robinson against Indy, we win that football game.

Think about that.

No we dont. Arenas sucks ass hes not even on the Cardinals anymore.

ThaVirus 05-29-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog (Post 10658586)
No we dont. Arenas sucks ass hes not even on the Cardinals anymore.

Who knows? BUT, if we had kept Arenas around, we likely never would have discovered Cooper and his upside is way higher than Arenas'.

On a side note, ol' Javi got scooped up by Scooter in Atlanta LMAO

Over/under for amount of wins in ATL next season? 7?

beach tribe 05-29-2014 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10658331)
I know. The point is why spend a 6th rounder on something as meh as a fullback, when less than a week later you sacrifice depth at your weakest position to trade for another fullback? That's what you haven't even seen your 6th rounder participate in a single team practice.

It's a shit ton of fuss and unnecessary headaches for the goddamn fullback position.

You are assuming that Dorsey felt Arenas was in his plans for the team at all.
You are also asking a GM to immediately think his 6th rounder will fill his full back vacancy without, as you pointed out, ever seeing him take a snap in camp.
Scratch West coast offense FB off the list. Just burned a 6th.
When it truly comes right down to it, He traded a JAG for the best FB in the league.
It was a good move.
You can coulda shoulda all over it as much as you like.
Every move has risk. You are either right, or you look stupid.
The bigger the risk, the bigger the reward, most times.

mdchiefsfan 05-29-2014 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10658331)
I know. The point is why spend a 6th rounder on something as meh as a fullback, when less than a week later you sacrifice depth at your weakest position to trade for another fullback? That's what you haven't even seen your 6th rounder participate in a single team practice.

It's a shit ton of fuss and unnecessary headaches for the goddamn fullback position.

Could be they wanted a FB and targeted Sherman before the draft. We needed to fill a hole and drafted one in the sixth. Arizona didn't get the cb they wanted in the draft so they kicked the tires on Arenas, thus giving us the FB we originally wanted. We cut a lousy 6th round pick and win the trade overall.

I don't know if that is what happened, but there are plenty of things that could have happened and it would be a legit move. Regardless, aren't we happy to have a GM admit a mistake in drafting instead of sticking with their decision for way too long to prove they are a god of drafting?


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