NJ threatening to take boy from parents
 

Better get those pencils out of the schools now..

How does one "spin a pencil like a gun"?

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My only guess is that he was spinning it like the old cowboys would before they holstered it. Other than that I cannot come up with anything.

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What the damn hell?? These gestapo idiots need to get the hell out of this country. Over a ****ing pencil??

Are my kids not allowed to have plastic guns and swords at my house? Just making sure...

my parents would have been excuted if I were in 3rd grade again now and brought Playboys to school.

....just sayin'.

Kids are watchin porn in the halls bro. You'd get laughed out of the school with your magazine.

LOOK OUT! THE KIDS GOT A PENCIL!"

Back in my days a kid playing toy guns was normal, now days if a kid does it, its suspect and have him checked out lol

This country is turning into an evil umpire.

it didn't exist when I was in 3rd grade and brought a stack of Playboys to school. o:-)

my dad would've told them to get bent if they required him to take me to therapy for such a stupid issue. though, he'd use a lot more colorful language.

LMAO

Glad I do not live in a leftist blue state, my son has a bunch of waterguns.

More blue state pussies?

One of my neighbor's called the police a few weeks ago because they saw my son outside in my yard shooting his soft airgun (at paper targets). The cop came to the door and actually had the nerve to lecture me that in this day and age children should not be playing with guns, toys or otherwise. I kindly told him to mind his own ****ing business and to remove his fat hippie ass from my property. I'm sure I'm probably being "watched" now.

They would have a stroke at my house. My son has his shotguns, bows and pistol in his room.. They are probably loaded, actually I know his pistol and shotgun are loaded by his bed...

"PIX11 reports that the state is now demanding further evaluation and threatening that if Chaplin doesn’t comply, they will terminate his parental rights and free Ethan up for adoption."

You guys seem to be missing the real point here. **** the pencil is a gun thing, how in the muther**** can they just take his son and put him up for adoption. What gives the state or whoever the right to do that. And not only that, if states do have that right, how do we stop it?

Exactly.

The answer is political, suited for the D.C. rather than the lounge, and isn't going to happen with the voter trends being what they are.

Good for you.

As a child, I witnessed my dad, my brother, and a cop at my kitchen table. Cop was grilling my brother about some burglary or vandalism etc. my brother didn't do anything, but somehow his name came up from someone else etc. the Cop was doing his best interrogating, and my dad interruptedd him and said "Excuse me. is my son being charged with a crime"?
Cop: "well, no. not yet"
Dad: "Son, don't say another word. You (pointing to the cop), can leave now"
Cop: "Sir, we're conduting an investigation....."
Dad: "I don't really care what you're conducting. we're done here. please leave"
nothing ever happened from the investigation or whatever. never heard about any of it again.

it was awesome as a kid to see someone tell a cop to get bent lol. He wasn't a dick about it or anything, just the fact he told the police 'no' was shocking to me. I was probably 7 or 8.

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I was a dick about it, but looking back I wish I would have been a little more civil. I was having a bad day to begin with and that shit set me off.

I could call DFS(anonymously) on someone with kids, anyone really and say that child abuse or neglect is going on in their house. The authorities will show up there and if they see something that they don't like or they just don't like the parents they can find a reason or make up a reason to take the kids. It's that simple. Then to get them back they'll have the parents jumping through all kinds of hoops.

I think hysteria is setting in with the recent shootings at schools. ( not to mention some stabbings by kids)

But this is suited for DC. Because this idea of imposing mental health by govt as a solution is going to get out of hand. Again, due to hysteria. This is what some folks are arguing for too.

Yup

I'm not sure how many parents, regardless of politics, would go for having their child taken from them over such a trivial incident.

I would have thought it looked more like spinning a drummer's stick.

This was my first thought too....

What in the ****?

I would hope so petegz. I am just pointing out how using govt to mandate mental health evals over anything remotely gun related, could get out of hand and this is a sign of that.

Look at what the state of Massholes has been doing in the Justina Pelletier case by a mental health worker. And that hand nothing to do with guns even.

Insane if true.

If you have noticed there's a big bunch of people out there that think our kids really aren't ours.

It doesn't sound to me like there was ever any real danger of the kid being taken from his parents at this point. I would like to see what other demands they have learned of.

That situation was somewhat difficult because Children's Hospital, which happens to be one of the best in the world, was telling state officials that they believed that the daughter was misdiagnosed and the parents were causing the misdiagnosis.

Recently, the state decided to exit the situation after it became clear I guess that doctors at different hospitals have different opinions about the situation and it's not really clear what's right. But still, a very unfortunate situation overall.

Unfortunately, there are crazy parents out there who misuse their children to get "attention", and the concern was that these parents were doing just that, to the serious detriment of their daughter.

Balancing parental rights with the fact that there are parents out there who seriously, seriously deserve to have their children taken from them makes for difficult balancing acts at times.

Not that the OP is one of them of course.

Double edge here. ****ing people and state need to stay out of everyone's business.

If they didn't investigate this boy and his family and then something happened people would be pissed over it and blaming the system.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Assuming the story on it's face is true, let's examine this..

1. Classmate "claims" Kid somehow twirls a pencil like a gun
2. Principal determines, no harm-no foul
(This should be the end of it)
3. State has boy urine and blood tested
4. State wants boy to visit shrink
5. State threatens Dad to take kid away

all over what? I don't disagree with you but common sense must prevail at some point.

I just bought my 2 year old grandson a pellet rifle for when he gets older. So do I go to jail now or does he go to jail?

I'd be more concerned with why they're requesting what they're requesting. To be fair, this is a one sided article.

This article wants me to believe that the parent is being investigated based soley on this pencil incident. If true, that's ridiculous.

But as parents, how often have you been investigated based of something as silly as this?

Im learning that if it sounds really sensationalist, then it probably is.

My business partner as gotten into the business of making gun parts. He built an AR15 out of all aluminum. It's so light it feels like a toy.

He takes his kids out to shoot them. His 5 year old daughter can shoot an AR15 and hit a target from 50 yards out. It's damn impressive.

Common sense will never prevail over the legality of it all. We live in an extremely litigious society. These people government and all have to not only protect their jobs but they have to protect their places of business from lawsuits.
Not saying this is the way things should be, but it is the way things are nowadays.

I got my 6 year old daughter and 2 1/2 year old boy a couple of MP 15-22's for when they get older.


They might give me the chair.

Let's not draw any conclusions.

Did you think that they weren't going to have pellet guns when he reaches the age to use one?

That's not what I read or am hearing on the news or talk shows. There was just a different diagnosis by another doctor earlier at Tufts Medical Center in Boston. The parents went with that diagnosis--they weren't causing it. Doctors can disagree.

Oh really, recently? That was the case made by the parents and others including other experts. The news up there must really be delinquent in their reporting 'cause the national news has been all over it reporting differently. If the state has decided to exit the situation it's because national news brought attention to this as an abuse of parental rights.

You are the ONLY person I have ever heard make such a statement by taking the side of a psychiatrist who reported the parents to the state of Massachusetts for medical child abuse for following their doctor's diagnosis when this was just a difference of medical opinion. In the meantime her health worsened.

Even others in the psychology profession in Mass said they're ashamed at how their profession has acted in this case.You truly deserve to live in such a Stalinesque state.

Oh, ya.


If something like this happens to you, get the **** out of that state as fast as possible.

The price of guns are only getting higher.
A .22 I payed $65 for when I was younger is now worth $300.

Treading on dangerous ground that's for damn sure.

Boston children's hospital has & is getting away with taking a lil girl from her family. Murica

Sounds like your needs to learn about gun safety.

Not sure if thread will end up in DC?

Education administrators are more ****ed up by PC rules than the dumbass teachers who work for them.

Isn't your brother going on this Ride down to Branson with us next weekend?

Uh... sorry Dayze, I can't make it.

This

How do you "spin your pencil like a gun"?

LMAO. I have two brothers and.....yes, he's 'that one' going to Branson.

be sure to lock your saddle bags.

LMAO

LMAO

ROFL






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This is probably an example of moron bureaucrats. Government workers don't step back to look at the full picture and see if it makes sense, they just mindlessly follow rules.

I'm guessing NJ has a rule where if a kid is accused of making terrorist threats involving a gun, they must be evaluated by a shrink, probably some kind of mental health initiative to prevent gun violence. Unrelated to that, I imagine they have another rule saying if a parent refuses a mental evaluation when its ordered for one of many possible reasons (gun threat in school, domestic abuse at home, sexual assault, whatever), then its child abuse, etc.

So, kid says he's being threatened with a pencil that looks like a gun, and moron teacher freaks out. The incident is recorded in some computer database. Principal investigates, figures out its no big deal.

NJ computer system notifies mindless government drone #45019 that a psych eval is needed due to a gun threat at a school. The mindless government drone sends standardized "take your kid to a shrink" letter.

Parent refuses, NJ computer system notifies mindless government drone #45019 that the psych eval was not done in the proscribed amount of time so a child is at risk. Mindless government drone #45019 sends standardized threatening letter, filling in the names, address, and phone number of NJ resident.

Parent takes kid in for some kind of eval, and the details are entered in a database.

Another mindless government drone, this time #77109 checks to see if he can close the file, but notes that the evaluation does not meet NJ's standards for a full evaluation, and leaves it open.

Computer system notifies the first mindless government drone, #45019, that its now a really long time without a needed psych eval. Mindless government drone #45019 sends standardized very threatening letter.

Parent freaks, calls the governor and goes to the media.

(hopefully the next step) governor sends a representative to the government drone cubicle farm to yell at drone supervisors, knock some heads, and get the case closed.

Give em an inch and they'll eventually take a mile. Authoritarian ****s.