Dee Ford
 

Did the guy even touch the field today? Kinda like last week, dude is a ghost. First round pick should be playing some snaps, what the heck?

he's not ready to play

I know i saw him out there at least once

Ive seen him

Yeah he was dropping into coverage, because that's smart.

On the side line?

There's no place for him on the field.

He can't cover. He can't defend the run. There's literally only a handful of plays in any given week where he should/could be on the field. Unless Hali or Houston take a dive with an injury you wont see him much until the Chiefs either cut Hali next year or watch Houston walk for a 3rd round comp pick in 2016.

So we drafted a quick foot pass rusher that drops back into pass coverage and only makes it on the field for a couple of plays, makes sense.

I saw him jump on a pile.

Good thing we drafted him . . .

To think, this was the "best player available". Guy doesn't even play 90% of the game.

You meant to say he only plays 10% of the game?

I mean, we could have had several DBs who would be starting for us right now and playing well, but who needs guys who can cover in the secondary?

JFC.

Last year, Eric Fisher didn't look like he even belonged on a team as a backup. This year, he looks like he will end up a solid left tackle.

Can we please stop with this ridiculous horse shit that players have to be NFL ready right away? Especially when we're talking about players in positions of low positional value. I think it really shows the stupidity of the NFLPA's decision to shorten offseason training camps. Rookies seem to take longer to adjust to the speed of the game.

I'm not crazy about Ford right now. But I also was REALLY not crazy about Knile Davis, Fisher, or Kelce in game 2 of last year 2oo.

He's also a shitty tackler fwiw.

We basically drafted Elvis Dumervil in the 1st round and then we're using him to drop into coverage.

THEN WHY ARE WE USING FIRST ROUND PICKS ON THESE PLAYERS?

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE IMMEDIATELY!

The guy we should have picked is playing for the Bengals...

Or Chargers, or Broncos, or the 49ers. Either one of those would have been a great addition.

I don't understand why this is so damn important to people. Why does it matter if it takes one year for a player to be ready.

Especially considering we let Flowers walk.

Reid is lacking, but Sutton flat out sucks... did we even hit this Fivehead?

4 active Pro Bowlers and they couldnt even sniff his jock... this guys gotta go, we can talk about Reid later, but Sutton has to go. I certainly hope Dorsey offers up a sacrificial lamb in the form of one Sob Button this year, waaaaaaay too much talent for that side of the ball to be so ineffective.

Solid at 1:1? Well, let's throw a ****ing party! Yes, please stop yourself. JFC, our fans have battered wife syndrome.

Great point. I don't think people understand how much that effects rookies early on. People just don't get it though man. All I care about when it comes to rookies/draft picks is seeing progress and improvement from week to week and then season to season.

Ford will be nails in 2017!

**** Flowers, he wouldnt have changed shit today.

Maybe our "pro-bowlers" aren't actually all that great?

I will start to judge during the last 1/4 of the season.

No, but if that was the plan, to let him go, why wouldn't you try to replace that player rather than force an unprepared Ron Parker?

Pro bowl means nothing these days tbh

That's pretty funny.

I never liked the pick at 1.1.

But it makes sense that you'll call me out for that and not for the laughable overreactionary majority that were even questioning why he even made the roster last year. And that believed Fisher would be out of a job in a few years.

Poe got a sack.

How about maybe this year isn't a "win now" year, nor should it have been.

What makes next year different than this year? We have a 30 year old QB, and Jamaal will be 28 next year.

I have no problem with that. It does not mean that you do not even attempt to address the problem issues from last season. Our big three were secondary, WR and OL. We did Jack shit to improve those areas. That is inexcusable win now mode or not.

Which makes it even more stupid.

THIS was the year we were in position to take a talented CB/S. The S position didn't fall to us but the CB position did.

NEXT YEAR is the solid draft for pass rushers. This year there were really only 4 guys worthy of being picked in the first 2 rounds. Very weak.

So we take a guy we don't need for a year in a weak draft for that position and pass on a guy who could come in and contribute immediately.

People don't seem to understand this point. The draft is a game unto itself. It's an art. It's not just who you take but when you take them.

Cleveland didn't just $3it their pants and take Johnny Football. They took (arguably) one of the best O line prospects in the draft, waited, AND got Johnny Football.

Need AND value. Not one or the other. Both.

Dorsey could have done the same. We could have gone CB or WR or O line in the first. All would have given us value AND filled a need.

This year was loaded with WR and CB talent. And then we took Philip Gaines who's so shitty he can't even see the field on a secondary that featured Dan Sorenson last week.

That's another way of putting it. Yes :)

Cause even though we might have about 8 starters who are good enough to win a championship with, the rest are far from good enough. And now we lost 1 of those guys for the season and two others are dinged up and might be out a few weeks.

EVERY year should be a win now year.

Every team outside of KC seems to understand this.

This is not 1980. You can turn a team completely around in one year and win a SB with second year players in key positions...

It wouldn't be CP if we didn't rag every pick and call for the death of the GM every week along with scattered stupid Hunt hate comments. And today, add in blame the refs cause Payton Manning is a HOF QB

Fire. Bob. Sutton.


Next banner.

Chiefs fans are like the guy from Momento.

Every year is a rebuilding year. Every year is not the year to "win now."

And if the truth is discovered create an excuse or lie to make it ok...

If Dee Ford ends up being a good pass rusher, he's a good pick. Period. I'm not convinced he will be, but he plays a very critical position.

Drafting for need is the same strategy we pull every ****ing year. We yelled BPA from the top of our lungs, and now all of a sudden we're back to drafting for need.

That's hilarious.

I wish we could find a way to get him on the field in place of DJ. I can dream though. He will be a solid player, it's aggravating he will not produce much help this year, but it's a good long term pick.

Was he honestly the BPA? I think that's where I'm iffy.

Dee Ford wasn't BPA is the problem.

No it's outrageous to think you should win now coming off a year you go to the playoffs. Plain stupid! Slow the momentum, get rid of all trash, add a lot of new garbage, and let's start over.

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Did he no shit? I must've already given up and was making some dinner at that point.

Glad to hear he hasnt packed it in yet, was beginning to wonder about him.

I started laughing so hard I farted and shit in my pants.

These 8 starters are good enough to win a championship with? We were missing 3 pro bowlers today and we almost beat the new and improved AFC champions. We played our entire bench last year and almost beat a team that the next week went on to crush Cincinnati in the playoffs.

I like Charles, Berry, DJ, Hali, etc... but these guys haven't won shit for us. Anybody who thinks this year was the year to start building a championship winner is kidding themselves.

THIS X one million.

Manning folded like Cassel. It was pretty. But in the end obviously not enough.

So what year is?

2017?

2018?

Alert us when the Chiefs will be ready to be a "win now" team.

And before you answer keep in mind the Chiefs just gave a $68 million contract extension to their 30 year old starting QB.

I am not a fan of the Ford pick. But we won't know that until we give him some damn time to show what he is at all.

When you're talking about high positional value players in the low first round, you are often betting on some of the upside risk. I am much more happy with this pick than a conservative pick for, say, an o-lineman which would have helped us immensely for now but it's the same layup bullshit we do ever year including last year.

Kill me now

Here's the thing: Dee Ford wasn't even the BPA.

If he was your argument has legs.

It doesn't because there were better players on the board when we picked...

Which part do you disagree with?

You can argue startegy all you want, Rufus, but there's no way in hell a project player is the best player available.

And make no mistake about it, Dee Ford, with nothing more than a quick first step in his arsenal, is a project.

And that is also exactly what Fisher was.

Hali got the sack, not Poe.

Pretty much this. Ford wasn't even the best OLB prospect available at our pick, Attaochu was heads and shoulders above him.

The Chiefs have 11 picks next year and an increasingly flexible payroll. I've already said that for the Chiefs to make a run, it starts next year. And that includes drafting a QB so Smith can easily hand the torch off to extend that window further.

For as much as we talk about this awesome 8-player nucleus of Pioli/Kuharich players we built around, so far in games where primarily Dorsey guys have played, we've played incredibly close games against San Diego, Indy (playoffs), and Denver (arguably best team in the AFC). If our draft picks improve this year, we draft smart next year, and we bring in some solid free agents, why couldn't we?

I've said before I'm nervous about Dorsey's talent evaluation. But next year sets up nicely to start attacking.

Yeah, thats a great sign for Poe no doubt... but with Hali, Houston and Berry (atleast for a while) thats just not enough.

How does so much talent get stymied so often, no matter the caliber of competition?... Sob Button, thats how... he couldnt find a way for his impact #1 pick to make an impact either.

I need blood on the alter, and Bob is IT.

I think you need to take a good long look at how Denver and Seattle have actually built their teams.

They spend a lot of off seasons doing very little and building through the draft. Why do you think Denver's payroll was so ridiculously low this year before they made their huge free agent haul?

Not only that but BPA means at any position.

Now, of course, that's within reason. No punters or kickers or FB's or stupid $3it like that.

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Rufus Dawes. Almost forgot about him. Perfect likeness. Bravo!

I have zero problem with holding him accountable when he refuses to properly rotate his big men to keep them fresh and healthy. Burn him at the stake. You bring the matches I'll bring he gas.

Because the last few years (after the Pat-tard left) they have done an excellent job drafting.

Drafting for BOTH need AND value AND not having any huge busts.

Notice how winning team also identifies their franchise QB and then DRAFTS TALENT TO SUPPORT FRANCHISE QB.

We did the opposite. Other than Fisher what have we done to support our franchise QB?

Fisher and a mid-round TE. That's ****ing it...

So what you're saying is that if we have to choose between a high risk / high reward player vs. a low ceiling but more NFL ready right away, we should go with the latter?

I hated taking a LT last year. But no doubt you go with Fisher over Joeckl, even if Joeckl is more NFL ready. This is the same shit that would have had us passing on Dontari Poe and Branden Albert. And we bagged on this guys when they first started out first.

CP gets pissy that our front office doesn't take chances then when we take chances, we want more NFL ready. It's ****ing stupid.

And no, I'm not crazy about the Ford pick. I'm pissy about how many people on here think it's a bad idea to take a 3-4 OLB even if it takes a year for that guy to develop. Assuming he has true first round talent which I'm not convinced Ford does.

I think he's no 3 on my list of what's wrong with our team.

Here's how terri-bad the situation is: our DC deserves to be fired an he's still not as big a failure as the GM or HC/OC...

To be fair to myself, I meant (but did not clarify) holding him accountable for the defensive issues. In particular to the subject at hand of a lack of pressure on the QB.

I am as fair and balanced as they come.

I'm sorry that the unbelievable exaggerated negativity gets a free pass around here. Today, we saw a team missing 7-8 starters/contributors, 3 pro bowlers, 18 of 21 starters being Dorsey guys come one play away from winning against arguably the best team in the AFC ON THE ROAD. And yet nobody's going to call out the guys who said Eric Fisher would be out of the league. People STILL calling him out even though he played decent today. That we have the worst offensive line in the league. That we're the worst team in the NFL and destined for 2-14. That call Alex Smith one of the worst starting QBs in the league.

Yup, that's fair.

If it's a learning curve, Fisher was on the field last year, Ford you have to look for to even find in a couple of play's. I don't get it, he's a first round pick and should be on the field more than he is. A first round pick should not be a project you bring along.

Which is why the first pick in the draft isn't cut much slack.

When two guards fail horribly, YOU give up the sack, the best that can be said is your failure is less than theirs...

Fisher didn't give up a sack though. He gave up a hit to Ware, but not a sack.

I hope he doesn't end up like Aaron maybin of the bills.

With 100% of my heart and soul, I wish we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.

I hated the pick. I still despise it.

But that's not what's being argued here. There are people so irrationally negative that there were actually comments that Fisher would be out of a job in a few years. And that his Paris Harrelson disaster last year was who he is as a player. And then to back it up, they'll talk about 2 or 3 players where a mistake was made.

That's not commenting on the pick or living up to the pick. It was a stupid pick and he'll never live up to it. Nobody calls out people who judge a player way too early in their career which happens all the time.

Who wants to bet that Dorsey lets Bailey walk and takes a 5-tech with our 1st pick? ROFL

Well, not that Bailey is a huge loss, it'll just be funny to see people shit themselves over another high 1st round DL player.

I saw Ford shy away from contact on a sweep. He might have been able to get a piece of the runner and he stopped.

very disappointing

Because he beat out Matt Cassel for the starting role so . . . Oh wait.